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7. April 2007 @ 15:28 |
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so spend some extra cash and upgrade to Core 2 Duo technology. when pricing out new pc?
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7. April 2007 @ 16:12 |
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I definitely would.
The Pentium D is fast in its own right but even the slowest Core 2 Duo would make the fastest Pentium D sweat.
Even though they're slower in Gigahertz they process things in a very different way. If there were a stock 3.4GHz Core 2 Duo to match the Pentium D 950 it would still blow it out of the water completely.
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7. April 2007 @ 16:17 |
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how do you guys keep up with all this? is there a dummies guide?
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7. April 2007 @ 17:02 |
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sorry i meant the Conroe cores woops lol
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8. April 2007 @ 03:19 |
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I don't really think there's a dummies guide.
If you're building a new system you have to be willing to learn about the parts and how they perform. If you don't know what you're doing you'll likely face failure and broken/incompatible parts.
When I started I was pretty PC retarded too but I just kept asking around here for answers and searched the internet.
If you need to know the performance of a certain part it's usually best to use google to look up reviews. They'll tell you the basic price and performance and whether it's a good buy or not.
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8. April 2007 @ 05:01 |
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Originally posted by born2ride:
so spend some extra cash and upgrade to Core 2 Duo technology. when pricing out new pc?
how do you guys keep up with all this? is there a dummies guide?
Bang for the buck, the Core 2 Duo is the best option. That became apparent last year shortly after release with all the positive reviews and positive performance comparisons to other avialable processors.
As for a guide, just pay attention to what's getting the popular reviews and do a little research. What's getting the writeups and whats being discussed on forums is a good indicator. Once the choice is made, it's just a matter of compatible parts and how performance oriented do you want them. Are you going to be happy with stock settings or do you want a performance system that can stand a hefty OC?
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8. April 2007 @ 05:32 |
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thank again all. i am sure there will be more questions soon!
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8. April 2007 @ 06:37 |
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You're welcome. But beware when you start asking questions on individual components for a build. We don't always agree and there's usully more than one good solution. You also need to figure a budget and stay close to what you can afford. CPU, mobo, RAM, and PSU are your main concerns and then case and drives.
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9. April 2007 @ 03:20 |
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Funny thing is Intel just came along and put us 5 years ahead with C2D.
And made it affordable!!!
Nearly forgot...........The psu is the heart of any system.....without it,everything else is useless!!
Just don't skimp on your psu.
For a free speedboost with your current system,defrag your hard drive!!!!
I hadn't defragged for a while and was horrified to see this!!!!!
It's like a 100mhz overclock...nearly)!!!
The system is just quicker to open files/folders etc.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 9. April 2007 @ 03:41
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9. April 2007 @ 04:12 |
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Funny thing is Intel just came along and put us 5 years ahead with C2D.
You'll have to speak for yourself. ;) Intel was behind for a few years and C2D was a correction for going down the wrong path with Netburst. Then add 5 years is a long time in PC development. Intel's move ahead with C2D was a noticable leap ahead in available computer technology though. I'm just wondering how long it's going to be before we see another milestone in PC development. Hopefully it won't be five years.
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9. April 2007 @ 07:02 |
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I just went on and used my pentium 3 for a while tosee what it could do and iam impressed:
I ran Grand Prix 4 with the 2006 Italia mod on high detail graphics, 1024x768 at a maxumin of 42fps when the car has a smooth road a ahead.
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Intel Pentium 3 Coppermine EB 133FSB 256kb high speed L2,@933.3mhz
ATi Radeon 9600XT 256mb AGP
512mb PC133 SDRAM 2x256mb
160gb IDE 7200rpm UDMA
20gb IDE 5400rpm UDMA
DVD Combo Samsung TS-H552B
Anyone got anything to say.
P.S may I ask how the **** did i manage to do this?
Is it the graphics card which did it all?
or is the pentium 3 an alright chip?
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9. April 2007 @ 08:58 |
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lol crowy i bet you freed up 10 gig defragging huh . i try to defrag at least once a week
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9. April 2007 @ 09:44 |
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From the "You're never too old to learn something new Department"!
The other day, I had to take my Cooler Master Cavalier case cover off while it was running and I noticed a pretty good amount of air moving in the area of the top of the CPU cooler. I got to thinking about it and remembered that I had tried an 80mm fan in place of the air duct on the cover before. I had installed it blowing in figuring that it would help blow some cool air over the top of the CPU cooler. My temps actually went up a few degrees. This time I put the fan blowing out and was rewarded with about 6 degrees C lower CPU temperatures while Encoding. Before the addition of the fan it would hit 52C, and now it doesn't break 46C. The chipset also runs cooler as the air vent below the air duct pulls more cool air right over the chipset!
A couple of side benefits to this is that it actually runs quieter with the extra fan, as the Arctic Freezer 7 CPU cooler which has an electronic fan control built into it, runs about 200 rpm slower and cool air flows over the video card, which helps cool it better as well.
I guess you are never to old to learn something new! LOL!!
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9. April 2007 @ 12:00 |
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Which way did the instructions say to align the fan?
dajila
A good graphics card helps, but a newer and faster CPU is also nice to go along with it. What happens when you have the cars in a twisty with the background changing and a few of the cars mix it up with spins and crashes? If you use games with more demanding 3D function it effects graphics performance more. Some of the road races are the easiest for graphics cards to handle. If you don't mind the occasional slowdowns and video distortion then there's games you PC will get you through. I'm not a serious gamer, but I'm not going to seriously use one of the P3 systems sitting around here to play games. Kids shy away from them if that tells you anything. ;)
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9. April 2007 @ 12:27 |
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dazila,
The 933MHz Coppermine was also an alright CPU.
When the 1.4GHz P4 came out the 1.4GHz Coppermine outperformed it. Not sure by how much though.
And you can still use that 9600XT with very good performance in a P4 system. I'd say score one of the old 2.66GHz Prescotts without hyperthreading. They're fairly quick and'll give a nice boost to that 9600.
I'm actually very surprised that a Pentium 3 system has high enough AGP to support that card. Well done dazila. Good screenies :)
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9. April 2007 @ 12:46 |
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Before I'd waste funds on anything that old, I'd save my dollars for some more up to date hardware. Sinking money in old tech hardware is like drilling a dry hole. You always come up short of what the newer tech toys will do.
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9. April 2007 @ 13:26 |
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Which way did the instructions say to align the fan?
The manual didn't say anything about it or even mention that you could add a fan there. I just noticed that the air duct had the same screw spacing as an 80mm fan so I tried it. When I installed one when I first got the case, I had the fan blowing in and I guess it interfered with the air flow of the CPU cooler as it ran a little hotter. Now, when I make the fan blow out it runs much cooler. My room is 25C right now and the CPU is running at 28-29C with a Chipset temp of 32C after being on for the last 5 hours. The CPU now drops as low as 26C if I turn the ceiling fan on for a few minutes, a temp I have never seen before except maybe right at startup.
The Cavalier case is made with an 80MM in the front that draws air in through a grille in the bottom of the case and a 120mm that blows air out the back of the case. There is also a roughly 5.5x4.5" air inlet on the cover about 2 inches below the air duct which is directly in front of the Northbridge and my X800 that draws air into the case as well as a small inlet on the back of the case between the side cover and the card locks that's about 1x5" which pulls in cool air as well.
What ever it does to the airflow, it all works very well this way. I'm especially pleased that my Encode temps have dropped about 6C and no longer approach 50C, let alone exceed it! I'm sure that the Antec 900 or the Xcilo "Rocket" case would even do better given the huge airflow they are capable of. The CPU never gets warm enough to kick the cooler fan up to it's max of 3000 rpm, so less noise in spite of the extra fan is a bonus!
BTW, I appologise for messing up your name. For the life of me I could have sworn it was PackMan777. I won't make that mistake again! Sorry!!!
Sincerely,
theone
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9. April 2007 @ 13:58 |
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BTW, I appologise for messing up your name. For the life of me I could have sworn it was PackMan777. I won't make that mistake again! Sorry!!!
LOL I don't pay attention to such things. I wouldn't have noticed you had it right if you hadn't mentioned it. LOL
Had you thought, you could have checked to see if the opening was an intake or exhaust and then added your fan to enhance flow instead of pushing against it.
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9. April 2007 @ 15:05 |
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Had you thought, you could have checked to see if the opening was an intake or exhaust and then added your fan to enhance flow instead of pushing against it.
That's the thing, it's called an air duct which is supposed to draw cool air towards the CPU. I never even though about reversing it until I noticed all the airflow in that area when I took the cover off while it was running. I felt like the guy with the light bulb over his head (Grampy from Betty Boop) when he had his thinking cap on! LOL!! I just figured because it was supposed to be an inlet that I should make the air flow that direction, but it didn't work. it's amazing how much quieter the whole computer is because the CPU cooler fan never goes to 3000 rpm any more at all. I did a huge video the other day where it was encoding for over an hour and it never got hot enough to make the fan run faster than about 2800 rpm. It's amazing how much 200 rpm can make when it comes to noise levels. One of these days I'm going to take the computer into work and put it in the Acoustic Chamber and see just how much noise it makes in db! I know it won't be quiet by Sam's standards, but then again, not much is! LOL!!
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When the 1.4GHz P4 came out the 1.4GHz Coppermine outperformed it. Not sure by how much though.
My Dual 1GHz P3 dell 420 Workstation is better than 40 to 50% faster than the 2.8 Prescot in the Dell 3000 I had. Even with a single CPU installed, it was still about 20% faster. It ate the 1.4 P4 for breakfast! I have 2 matched slockets (that actually work) and some day I will put 2 matched 1.4 socket 370 P3s in it just to see how much better it will actually run! Fastest P3 I ever saw! If it had 4x8x AGP instead of 2x4x I would still be using it everyday!
Happy Computering,
theone
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9. April 2007 @ 15:27 |
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theonejrs...
Do you play games? lol As I've seen so far you really only encode...
And if so what games? :)
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9. April 2007 @ 15:52 |
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Estuansis,
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Do you play games? lol As I've seen so far you really only encode...
And if so what games? :)
I play Quake 1, 2, and Arena on occasion. I play some older games as well like Blake Stone and Delta Fource Extreme as well as Delta Fource 2. I also play some real old games like Donkey Kong Jr. and Centipede! I have about 50 Roms for my Colecovision emulator. Years ago I was a serious gamer but I've just lost interest. I can sit and watch other's play and enjoy and appreciate the talent it takes, but I just can't get into it anymore. Who knows, maybe I'll get the bug someday again. LOL!! Hey, I'm and old guy! I'de rather go Hang Gliding! LOL!!
I also do some pretty Heavy duty stuff with AutoCad 2004 that has custom software from the makers for my air turbine work. I do test simulations in real time to determine the limits of what I design and at what point they blow apart. Most are in the 400,000+ rpm range, so I still need a decent video card!
Happy computering,
theone
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9. April 2007 @ 18:01 |
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Is it 1.5volts slot?
If it is Im running the Radeon 9600XT in my 4x 1.5volt slot cause the 9600XT runs at 0.8v and 1.5v which means it works in 8x and 4x slots.
My motherboard is an IntelD815EFV Look it up and see if the slot is the same as urs if it is it will run a 9600 gurantee it.
Well u may remember a few months back I tried using a 9200SE and it wouldnt work because it was only 8x as i got told by you guys and i went to crucial and told me a 9600SE would work so i figured se works so will the XT because they onjly stocked SE which the dont stock at all now.
SO i took the PC to the store so if anything fries he pays LOL!, and he put a 400W micro ATX PSU,160gb 7200rpm Segate UDMA HDD,and the radeon 9600XT.
I still have the 9200SE in the box wonder how much ebay would give me for it its perfectly like new in the box wraper and i put teh seals back on it has the manual,driver cd,Svideo-Composite. its the newer 9200SE 128mb AGP 8x.
Im really supries that the frame rate stays that steady the lowest its gotten to is 26fps on the full 22 car grid each car on high detail after you start going it stays on 24-26 and then once you spread it just goes to the mid 40's around 42-51fps and sticks there. it drops to 36in the pits cause of the pit crew and around turns it stays 37-41fps all by far playable smoothly.
Im suprised heaps that it could run it i thought it would just crash when I strated it.
If i can run that game at that level what are spme otehr good looking games I could try?
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9. April 2007 @ 18:31 |
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dazila,
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Is it 1.5volts slot?
Yes! It seems that all 4xs are not created equal! LOL! I bought one from Newegg about 3 years ago and was assured it would work. It didn't. They insisted that it would and sent me another and it wouldn't work either. I did find out that there are a couple of AGP 4x8x that will work that run both voltages. Unfortunately some of the 9600s don't work either. I had one and it doesn't. Don't remember which one though but I finally sold it in an AMD build a couple of years ago!
Happy Computering,
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9. April 2007 @ 19:31 |
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That's the thing, it's called an air duct which is supposed to draw cool air towards the CPU.
Now who went and made that rule? Depending on fan configurations a hole in a case can be an intake or exhaust (as you found out).
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9. April 2007 @ 20:50 |
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Now who went and made that rule?
Because of the difference in cfm between the 80mm in the front and the higher cfm 120mm in the back coupled with the PS exhaust, assures that there will always be airflow coming into the case because there will always be negative pressure inside the case which will draw air in. Here's a pic that will explain it! The air duct which has an adjustable cuff allows air to drawn in over a stock CPU cooler which is much lower than a 9500 or a Freezer 7.
The rear fan and power supply fan pull more air out of the case than the 80mm front fan can push into into it so normally the air duct, the side vents and the rear vents will all draw air in to equalize the difference in pressure. By replacing the air duct with an exhaust fan, the rear, ps and side fans blowing out insure a decent air flow into the case through the vents. I'm sure that the reason for the different size and cfm fans to begin with. By turning the air duct into an exhaust, It increases the cool air flow in through the vents and exhausts more warm air from inside the case. It does seem to work very well. I may even send an e-mail to Cooler Master and see what they think!
Happy Computering,
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