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gollumn
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26. September 2006 @ 16:58 |
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To those who think it's a conflict in the computer, I ask: how can this be with two completely separate computers? I just don't understand why dual layers always error out and waste expensive blanks. I just blew another one. I tried imgburn (again) set speed to 2.4x instead of max, didn't work.
I'm not really feeling like I'm getting any comprehensive advice on this problem. Can anyone with expertise in this step up and offer some step by step advice that actually pertains to my problem, and the information I've given? I appreciate what the rest of you have posted but some of it seems 'off the cuff' and almost like you have not taken the time to read and ponder my postings.
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26. September 2006 @ 19:10 |
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but some of it seems 'off the cuff' and almost like you have not taken the time to read and ponder my postings
I hate to sound ill to you, but four of us (Locoeng, garmoon,gurnard, & myself) have told you exactly what to do, in ways that work! gurnard even took the time and effort to post pics, with step by step instructions, on exactly how to do it!
It seems like you're the one not reading the posts. If you do it the way gurnard shows with the pics and step by step instructions, using AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter, and Verbatim +R DL disc, it will work! If it doesn't, after following exactly, you have a hardware problem, no matter how many single layer discs you've burned. (remove all traces of DVD43, if you put AnyDVD on your computer). It's just that simple. If it doesn't burn onto a Verbatim +R DL disc, using AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter, something is wrong!
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26. September 2006 @ 21:03 |
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gollumn,
Do you have the free trial of AnyDVD as suggested by other members? You need to run it in combination with DVD Decrypter as DVD Decrypter alone can not break css encryptions on newer discs. Follow directions as provided by gurnard. Burn at 2.4x for starters and faster down the road if all is well.
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26. September 2006 @ 23:45 |
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@Gollumn
First of all, I just noticed you wrote a few days ago, "tried imgburn, same result, bad sectors or unreadable sections during verification."
If this is what you are depending on to determine if the burn failed or not, you may actually have good discs. The verification systems built in to most burning software suck: I've gotten bad sector errors in Nero but DOS File Compare reported all files matching. I'm not really sure why this is.
As I wrote before, assuming you have followed everyone else's advice, I think it's your burner. It's not all that unusual for DL capability to fail while a burner is still capable of burning single-layer. Look at getting another drive, and one that's ---not a Samsung---.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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27. September 2006 @ 04:02 |
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I think he also has a hardware problem. I think BOTH his Samsung burners hate Verbatim DLs. My BenQ 1650s hate Ritek DLs and just won't burn them at all, but an external LG will burn them. (They were a gift I didn't actually pay money for Ritek DLs) LMAO. But 100% on Verb DL.
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gollumn
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27. September 2006 @ 07:02 |
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I hate to sound ill to you, but four of us (Locoeng, garmoon,gurnard, & myself) have told you exactly what to do, in ways that work! gurnard even took the time and effort to post pics, with step by step instructions, on exactly how to do it!
It seems like you're the one not reading the posts. If you do it the way gurnard shows with the pics and step by step instructions, using AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter, and Verbatim +R DL disc, it will work! If it doesn't, after following exactly, you have a hardware problem, no matter how many single layer discs you've burned. (remove all traces of DVD43, if you put AnyDVD on your computer). It's just that simple. If it doesn't burn onto a Verbatim +R DL disc, using AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter, something is wrong!
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I did read all the posts, after all, I came here to try and solve my problem. What I was saying was that people saying 'what kinda crap burner is that?' and 'you must have a conflict' are not helpful, and do not take into account that I'm trying two completely separate computers. Granted, they are both Samsung/TSSTCorp, but they are different models, different firmware.
So, knowing that two computers are both having problems, I need to move on and see what else it could be. The posting with the screenshots is one method, and if you are very confident that that is the single most reliable, proven, virtually infallible method of burning Dual Layer discs, I'm confused. I'm confused because other members don't suggest that method at all. They suggest using imgburn, which I followed the guide for, to the letter.
So I am reading your posts, but so far, I have not found the problem. I will try this other method that is documented with screenshots with dvddecrypter, and let you know.
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27. September 2006 @ 07:14 |
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Do you have the free trial of AnyDVD as suggested by other members? You need to run it in combination with DVD Decrypter as DVD Decrypter alone can not break css encryptions on newer discs. Follow directions as provided by gurnard. Burn at 2.4x for starters and faster down the road if all is well.
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I do not. I have not encountered any problems decrypting my Dual Layer discs, only burning Dual Layer and replaying Dual Layer.
Do you think my burning problems are caused in the ripping/decoding stage? If so, I am willing to try the AnyDVD programme you mentioned.
Thanks.
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27. September 2006 @ 07:19 |
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@Gollumn
First of all, I just noticed you wrote a few days ago, "tried imgburn, same result, bad sectors or unreadable sections during verification."
If this is what you are depending on to determine if the burn failed or not, you may actually have good discs. The verification systems built in to most burning software suck: I've gotten bad sector errors in Nero but DOS File Compare reported all files matching. I'm not really sure why this is.
As I wrote before, assuming you have followed everyone else's advice, I think it's your burner. It's not all that unusual for DL capability to fail while a burner is still capable of burning single-layer. Look at getting another drive, and one that's ---not a Samsung---.
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It fails during verification, but sometimes fails during the burn itself. Just says 'burn process failed'. I burned braveheart in this manner:
1. ripped to hdd with dvddecrypter
2. ran through VobBlanker to remove fbi and other junk
3. opened in imgburn, set layer break as suggested, burned
4. burn was ok, verification was ok
5. played on notebook, movied 'hung' but then played at two spots in the first 7 minutes of play.
6. took disc to my philips tv dvd player, hung at same spots, could hear philips unit spinning/chugging on those two spots, then play continued.
You think it's my burner, and I thought that at first too, but I have two burners and both are screwing up.
Any ideas?
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27. September 2006 @ 07:26 |
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garmoon:
you may be right. perhaps both the samsung drives don't like verbatim. that is very strange, but I guess it's possible. I have emailed Samsung asking specifically what dual layer media is best for these two models of their drives.
I think he also has a hardware problem. I think BOTH his Samsung burners hate Verbatim DLs. My BenQ 1650s hate Ritek DLs and just won't burn them at all, but an external LG will burn them. (They were a gift I didn't actually pay money for Ritek DLs) LMAO. But 100% on Verb DL.
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27. September 2006 @ 08:26 |
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@ gollumn hi :)
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The posting with the screenshots is one method, and if you are very confident that that is the single most reliable, proven, virtually infallible method of burning Dual Layer discs, I'm confused. I'm confused because other members don't suggest that method at all. They suggest using imgburn, which I followed the guide for, to the letter.
the reason i use dvddecryter is it is a one appt application. (why jump from one appt to another to do the same proccess?) i've also been using it for ever and until the day i have a problem will carry on doing so.
Imgburn is written by the same author as decrypter without the decrypting side to it. so ppl are using it because of it's more up to date additions.
also i am one off the few that uses with great success RITEK-D01-O1 D/L's, as has been said perhaps Samsung doesn't like Verb's. try 1 of the Ritek and see if your drive prefers them.
one other thing, you have stated you have plenty of ram..but...to burn a D/L disc you will need at least 20Gb of free HDD
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27. September 2006 @ 09:17 |
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@gollum
One thing might be causing your problem, I copy the disc 100% without removing anything using AnyDVD in background and ImgBurn. I have no knowledge with DVD Fab because I don't use it or VOBlanker. Get a different DL brand blank as gurnard suggests. Also it doesn't hurt to try using AnyDVD free for 21 days. You'll see how simple everything becomes with that proggy. You might even buy it. We haven't given up on you. Keep at it. Usually people that are having problems with burning DVDs, it turns out to be user error, machine error, and/or very seldom software error.
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27. September 2006 @ 11:30 |
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@gollumn.........
I understand what you're saying. A lot of people don't use DVD Decrypter anymore, just because it's old school. As gurnard said, I'll keep using it as long as it works, and it still works. I only use it for burning DL discs, because it's still the best 1:1 dvd software there is. I tried IMGBurn software once, for single layer disc, and I couldn't get it to work for me, but everybody swears by it.
As was said........ maybe the Samsung burners don't like Verbatim discs. We all know that certain burners prefer certain discs, but that's always been one of the things about Verbatim. Almost all burners like it.
It may be a problem with the burner, that all Samsung burners have, with DL discs. That would explain the problem with both burners.
Try another brand of DL blank. If it still won't burn, try another burner. Best Buy has a good return policy, if you need to return it. If it still doesn't burn, with another burner, you must have somekind of a conflict somewhere, with something!
Are you trying to do the same movie (same disc) in both computers? It may be a bad pressing of the movie on that disc. Try another copy of the same movie. There's only so many things, it can be..........
I hope you/we can figure it out. I know it's frustrating as hell.
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27. September 2006 @ 12:37 |
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@Gollumn
Let me just reiterate that, based on the few reports I've seen, is that Verbatim DL is a mixed bag on Samsung drives, so you may want to try out another brand of disc, though you might have lower-quality burns. The fact that your burns are failing on two separate drives might be significant if it weren't for the fact that both are made by the same manufacturer. I checked the Samsung site and there are no media lists available. Even the drive manuals don't even render properly, but their indexes don't contain anything referencing media certification. All this means Samsung drives probably have not been tested with Verbatim media, maybe not even anything else. This is unusual and is not a good sign. Even non-OEM manufacturers, who don't make their own drives but simply slap their name on other maker's stuff, at least go to the trouble to publish Media Compatibility guides.
-Do you believe you own your computer and shouldn't be told what you can run and do? Then say *NO* to Microsoft Vista!
-Since half the questions here involve media problems, here ya go: Only use Verbatim or Taiyo-Yuden discs (get your TYs from Rima.com, not Supermediastore or meritline). Forget the rest, no matter what "brand" they sell under. Always burn at 4x speed regardless of the speed rating of this discs or your drive. If you have burn problems with these then you have to update your drive's firmware. For double-layer discs, only use Verbatim DVD+R DL and burn them at 2.4x speed.
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27. September 2006 @ 14:38 |
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I mispoke earlier when I said that my BenQs would not burn Ritek DLs: That should have been FUJI DLS!
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27. September 2006 @ 18:40 |
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A log would be nice to look at from either DVD Decrypter or Imgburn. It could answer some questions that aren't being asked or aren't being conveyed.
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I'm not really feeling like I'm getting any comprehensive advice on this problem. Can anyone with expertise in this step up and offer some step by step advice that actually pertains to my problem, and the information I've given? I appreciate what the rest of you have posted but some of it seems 'off the cuff' and almost like you have not taken the time to read and ponder my postings.
Not to sound ill either, but everyone here is here on their own free will and don't get paid for the advice they give. This is a public forum and you will get a random post from time to time that doesn't seem to be helpful...you just have to deal with them. Most people don't mind giving step by step instructions either, but all of the information is in the guides that have been posted.
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2. ran through VobBlanker to remove fbi and other junk
Let's skip the VobBlanker step for now and just leave the warnings and junk for the time being and try to get a good burn with the least complicated method and fewest amount of programs.
Also through scanning others questions and your responses I don't think anyone has asked if you installed the drive yourself and if you have is it set up properly...master/slave settings configured correctly?
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29. September 2006 @ 15:05 |
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wow, lots of responses. thx. I know it's a free forum, I just wanted to see if I could get more info out of people, and I think I've done that. ok, yes, my master/slave settings are correct, and on the notebook, it must be because it's from dell's factory and only one optical drive.
I had not considered the minimum 20GB free hard drive space, but I will try that. Dell replaced my TSSTCorp (samsung) with an NEC because of my dual layer issues. Not sure if it's got a better reputation, but at least NEC looks like they are on the ball, what with their Media Lists and firmware, and info on their site.
Just about to rip star wars 1977 dvd to DL. Will let ya know if I have any luck or not.
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29. September 2006 @ 15:36 |
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hi :)
have all my fingers and toes crossed for you.
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29. September 2006 @ 16:08 |
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@gurnard
How do you "cross your toes"?..":-)
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29. September 2006 @ 16:32 |
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bilbo :)
with the greatest difficulty LOL
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29. September 2006 @ 17:12 |
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Not sure if it's got a better reputation, but at least NEC looks like they are on the ball, what with their Media Lists and firmware, and info on their site.
I have nothing but good things to say about the NEC drives...I have an NEC 3540 with modified firmware and love it, it's a real workhorse. NEC manufactures solid drives.
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How do you "cross your toes"?..":-)
You haven't seen his feet? They are certainly something to behold.
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29. September 2006 @ 18:44 |
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so are mine.....large and hairy....:-)
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30. September 2006 @ 02:45 |
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hi :)
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large and hairy
not good. long thin and hairy is needed
ignore LOCO he has a toe fetish
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Hobbits, unfortunately, don't have small feet :-)
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30. September 2006 @ 06:52 |
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so far, so good! new NEC burner, used the trial of AnyDVD, dvddecrypter as per screenshots earlier in this thread, so far, 24 min into my double layer 'backup copy' of Star Wars 1977, and no skips, blips, or other problems. however, now I've got some questions.
I guess I'll have to test this but can I go back to ripping Dual Layers to my hard drive with dvdFab, then burn with imgburn? I'm thinking that if imgburn is supposed to be very good at finding the layer break, maybe it's worth it.
Also, maybe a basic explanation re: the process that just worked. If I understand correctly, it goes like this:
anydvd runs in RAM, strips CSS protection and fbi/trailers, then DVDDecrypter actually does no real decrypting, but make an exact snapshot of the dual layer disc (minus whatever anydvd's removed), into an iso, then burns that iso to the blank. Seems pretty simple, but I want to make sure I understand what I'm doing. Also, if an iso is made, does that use the layer break from the disc I just ripped, and by extension, correctly set it on the new burned disc?
@locoeng: where'd you get your modified NEC firmware, and what made you decide to use it rather than the 'official' one?
thanx for your help guys
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30. September 2006 @ 18:04 |
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I guess I'll have to test this but can I go back to ripping Dual Layers to my hard drive with dvdFab, then burn with imgburn?
Yes, but you will have to use build mode becuase you will be working with a VIDEO_TS folder instead of an ISO image.
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Also, maybe a basic explanation re: the process that just worked. If I understand correctly, it goes like this:
anydvd runs in RAM, strips CSS protection and fbi/trailers, then DVDDecrypter actually does no real decrypting, but make an exact snapshot of the dual layer disc
Me thinks you have the idea...
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Also, if an iso is made, does that use the layer break from the disc I just ripped, and by extension, correctly set it on the new burned disc?
That is what the MDS file is created for, it contains the layer break information...think of it as a roadmap, it tell you where to turn.
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where'd you get your modified NEC firmware
Liggy and Dee - http://liggydee.cdfreaks.com/page/3550/
*you want 1.Y6 RPC1 if you are using the 3550, you don't state your burners model number in your post.
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what made you decide to use it rather than the 'official' one?
Modified firmware enables bitsetting, removes riplock and makes your drive region free. NEC drives don't do the listed things out of the box, while capable they need the help of modified firmware.
Bitsetting/Booktyping: http://www.booktypefaq.com/
Riplock: http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/riplock.cfm
Region Free: http://www.afterdawn.com/glossary/terms/region_code.cfm
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