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Pay Programs "Clonedvd 2+ Anydvd vs Freeware "DVDFab Decrypter" etc.
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PacMan777
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1. July 2007 @ 22:01 |
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Deadrum33
I'm not going to get into an argument on the forum. I only mentioned bbmayo having written guides because he has proven his knowledge on the subject of DVD recording software and his guides are part of his credentials. The comment was concerning his proven capabilities and not a reference to your vague background. Though you decided to call me ignorant, I'll look over that. I try not to let personal feelings about other members creep into discussions on software.
There's good software that's free as well as retail. There's gems in both camps as well as stinkers. Slysoft's software is decent and fast. CloneDVD2 works best with AnyDVD, but there are a number of good programs that rival it (maybe not with AnyDVD though), i.e. RB/CCE, DVDCopy5, DVDFab Platinum, and DVD Shrink. Some programs are superior in certain circumstances, but are more complicated and take longer (some of those are free). Ask any of the senior members that are active in the Rebuilder forum what you can do with the free RB and Hanks Encoder. Though the free RB doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the Pro version, it still does the job and makes true encoding software available to those who aren't professionals. Likewise ask some of the members who frequent the DVD Shrink forum. Though Shrink is one of the older freeware programs with weak decryption software, it still does an excellent job of transcoding and editing.
As I mentioned before, I'm still using free decryption software, though I have AnyDVD. I've used Slysoft software and find it average. It's a matter of preference when I use DVDCopy5. But for high compression tasks, I've found nothing that works better than encoding software. I'm using CCE SP with Rebuilder Pro for encoding. I use DVDCopy 5 for fast transcoding jobs though I have CloneDVD2.
I don't mind people being Slysoft fans. It's good programing, especially for those who like things quick and easy. Until recently AnyDVD was the leader at breaking the newer copy protections. I just moved on to software I prefer over the Slysoft offerings. Like many people some of my choices come from personal preference. But as I said before, when it comes to high compression, CloneDVD2 can't compare to a true encoder. I have a fast PC and don't mind spending a little extra time.
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2. July 2007 @ 03:52 |
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@pacman777
I'm not jumping into this argument at all. This is just info that we've talked about. AnyDVD seems to have been fixed along the way; for it now works with Shrink and Nero Recode again.
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PacMan777
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2. July 2007 @ 10:15 |
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Thanks for the input. As you know, Slysoft got back to the regular DVD copy protection situation after getting their HD and Blu Ray decryption launched. As we all know, Slysoft let needed AnyDVD updates lag behind during that period. Incorporating the CloneDVD2 into the ripping software also helped them with their ripper. I didn't mean it to appear that Slysoft was behind the others now. I just meant that for a while they weren't the leader they used to be in being first to break new copy protections. The group of decryption programs isn't large, so they have a good chance of regaining the title, especially since RI4M was forced off the scene. ;) I wish that one had been off shore like AnyDVD. DVDIdle is Slysoft's nearest competition and they've gained a name for being a bit slow. DVDIdle gets the updates done, so all a DVDFab user needs is a little patience and they'll get the difficult new releases backed up.
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ddp
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2. July 2007 @ 10:30 |
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both free & pay programs have their pros & cons so we'll just leave it to the member to try out & see which works best for them. i do not need a flamewar to happen between a senior & an addict, am i understood?!
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2. July 2007 @ 11:47 |
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No flames at all around here. Sorry if criticizing a bit of dodgy logic seemed like a personal attack, it wasnt meant to.
We really are all in agreement here about what works best vs. easiest vs. pay vs. free, just saying the same things in different ways on different pages.
Back on track, are there any tools that the people still paying attention feel are a must have when getting things done? I mean we've gone over Slysoft, DVDFAb, DVD-RB with CCE/Hanks/Procoder, Shrink, DVDDecrypter/ImgBurn, ripit*me and FixVTS, Nero, Roxio, am I missing anything?
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2. July 2007 @ 12:43 |
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you seem to have gotten them all, atleast I can't think of any others. in addition though there are certainly alot of "nice to haves" edit: maybe Vob Blanker?
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2. July 2007 @ 12:52 |
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Absolutely, I totally neglected to mention that.
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PacMan777
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2. July 2007 @ 13:52 |
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am I missing anything?
Missing in your list are VSO software and InterVideo's offerings. CopyToDVD, Blindwrite, ConvertXtoDVD, DVDCopy5, WinDVD 8, and Creator 3 are some common names in DVD backup programs, player, and burning software. Alkohol is a good program and many still like DVD2One. For editing, a forum favorite is DVDRemake. You hit several of the most well known programs and suppliers though.
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res2cue
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2. July 2007 @ 14:01 |
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I think it's time I took the leap into rebuilder and remaker and such...
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2. July 2007 @ 15:10 |
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Left out one that I have DVDnextcopy another quick program. Chris
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PacMan777
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2. July 2007 @ 15:25 |
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Most people working with both transcoders and encoders agree that up to about 20% compression an encoder doesn't do that much better than a transcoder. So the DVD Rebuilder and supported encoder is an addition and not always a replacement. With the installer, the RB is easy to set up. It works good at default settings, but there is a lot of tweaking that can be done, especially if you go with the retail Pro version. The free encoder works well, but for a person who doesn't already have one of the high end encoders, the CCE Basic is a good buy. There's a forum here at AD, so I'm sure you can find enough help if you need it. RB has been around for a while now and most of the bugs have been worked out.
As for DVDReMake, that is handy for putting a personal touch to a DVD. However, if all you want is the DVD backup, I've yet to run into a DVD that doesn't come out good backing up the full DVD with one language and the Dolby 4 channel audio (stereo or whatever on the older releases). I use the batch setup and let the programming run when I'm away from the PC. I'll usually do anywhere from 2 to 5 backups at a time using the batch feature.
ChrisC586
I don't know if they finally got DVDNextCopy up to speed, but the forums here at AD used to say it was not very dependable.
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2. July 2007 @ 15:41 |
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I still use it off and now it wouldn't play with AnyDVD to well and got kicked out of the sandbox.Slow at catching up with newer copy protections and hasn't been updated in a while.Chris
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ddp
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2. July 2007 @ 19:20 |
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good.
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PacMan777
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2. July 2007 @ 20:46 |
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Each time I tried DVDNextCopy I had no problems getting a decent backup. I simply didn't like the interface. However, I didn't rely on the add-on decryption or trying to use AnyDVD. I used a good ripper and used cleaned files from the HD. Even though I was given a retail copy, it wasn't kept loaded. For those having to buy the program, I always thought it overpriced.
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2. July 2007 @ 21:09 |
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come on boys, just be happy with whatever work for you. in terms of quality output, there is nothing like doing the following; in quality output order:
1- Fabdecrypter/ Rebuilder/HC, main movie only/IMGBurn
2- Fabdecrypter/Recode2, main movie only/IMGBurn
3- fabdecrypter/shrink, main movie only/imgburn.
and my favorite because it is so fast yet it gives me as good quality as shrink and recode2.
4- Fabdecrypter/dvd2one, main movie only/imgburn.
Nero Recode2 or Shrink using deep analysis and AEC/ fabdecrypter or anydvd running in the background/ IMGBurn to burn/main movie only mode= perfect.
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2. July 2007 @ 21:34 |
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Yeah I didn't buy I also was given a retail copy at first it looked like something that was going to improve with time then fizzled out.Don't know if Korea went on strike or what.As for time spent on a good movie I'll do it but it's been quite a while since I've seen one .Last of my thoughts here is theres a pretty even mind set on pay or free programs and it depends on what you want out of it.But the discussion is very interesting. As the great one says I'll just sit back and let you all teach and learn me. Chris
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PacMan777
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2. July 2007 @ 22:09 |
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What I always advise is not getting stuck with a free or retail mindset. As has already been mentioned here, there are good programs and bad ones in both categories. A lot is about preference, except where certain types of software hold a distinct advantage, such as encoders for high compression tasks. There's choices to be made even there. The forums are a good pointer, but in the end, the users have to decide what works best for them.
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MichaelP1
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2. July 2007 @ 23:17 |
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certain types of software hold a distinct advantage, such as encoders for high compression tasks
or you can do it the lazy way(as i do) and use a DVD+R DL for high compression tasks
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3. July 2007 @ 00:05 |
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PacMan777 agreed you said it better than I could say it, that was understandable.I like to learn from everybody by reading here and the submitted guides then go on a self destructive course figuring it out by myself hating to ask questions unless I come up empty handed after a few days.Just the amount of knowledge here you can pick up one thing from each person with true knowledge that gives a background on using whatever program, and the purpose of it.Pay or free I like them all just for my own sake. Happy burnin Chris
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PacMan777
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3. July 2007 @ 00:05 |
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MichaelP1
True, but a person can still burn DVD5s a lot cheaper than the DVD9s. I've done DLs for some favorite projects and to learn using the DL burner ware. It would have cost a fortune to do all my backups with DVD9 though.
Chris
Good attitude toward the software, but do yourself a favor and ask more questions. Most of the knowledgable members don't mind sharing what they've learned as long as you're interested and not asking questions without having looked at the guides and given the software a go.
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JaguarGod
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5. July 2007 @ 16:41 |
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I've seen DL Verbatims for as low as $.60 per disc. That's not bad considering DVD5 Verbatims are about $.20 per disc on crazy once a year sales. Only problem was there was one 5 pack left, so that's all I could get. If I find them like that again, I am stocking up!!!
I've noticed that most DVDs require no compression once you remove the garbage and shrink the menus. Some DVDs barely use up more than half a DVD5.... Those are mainly Sony movies.
But in terms of compressing, unless you use a stand alone encoder, Shrink is just as good as any of the pay software transcoders. There is hardly a need for a stand alone encoder. Maybe 5% of all modern movies would go below 85% compression and since people don't buy every movie, maybe 1 or 2 per year would require something better than DVD Shrink.
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PacMan777
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5. July 2007 @ 16:58 |
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When dealing with hundreds of dollars worth of DVD5(s) for backing up my video library I'd hate to multiply that by 3, even if I could find those bargain Verbatims. I'm not usually lucky enough to find even a pack left on a sale like that.
I have just the opposite situation from you when it comes to the size of the DVDs I back up. Other than the older classics, most of the movies I have go above 4.37GB. Even many of my older John Wayne, Clark Gable, Errol Flynn, Cary Grant, Burt Lancaster, and Jimmy Stewart movies are larger than 4.37GB. That's even after trimming the audio and subtitle tracks after removing extras. Nowadays with RB/CCE I don't worry about it.
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MichaelP1
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5. July 2007 @ 21:03 |
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I've seen DL Verbatims for as low as $.60 per disc.
WHAT lol I've never even seen them below 1.60 each. let alone 60 cent each . that price had to be a mistake
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6. July 2007 @ 01:58 |
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different countries, different stores, different prices. I have seen them for about $.75 per disc on sale (it is a rare occurance though)
Hiram 319
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6. July 2007 @ 03:49 |
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I find that less than 25% of my movie-only back-ups, require no compression, especially most new ones. That's using Recode or CloneDVD with no menus.
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