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21. June 2007 @ 08:12 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
can he reformat it without another HDD??? i know the laptop aint much differnet than a desktop but i have only formated1 drive and thats my new one..lol seeing that its a new laptop i doubt he has much on it that he wouldnt mind losing if he reformated it
Not sure what you mean, "another HDD", but he should be able to re-format the Vista drive with no problems.
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docTY
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21. June 2007 @ 08:15 |
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cincyrob
a harddrive is a harddrive, regardless of whether it's on a desktop platform, a laptop, in an external enclosure, etc... :)
the same rules apply to format a laptop harddrive as that of a desktop hd that you are familiar with.
one thing i would suggest though before doing so, is have your friend backup what little important data (i am using the word "little" only because you said it's brand new and he more than likely has not filled that HD up thus far) that he may need/use in the future onto a thumb drive (usb stick/memory stick) prior to the format so he can keep/retain the programs/documents he feels worthwhile keeping :)
good luck~
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21. June 2007 @ 08:17 |
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lol i hear ya greensman..lol thats what i jus ttold him he said he only has some pic sof his kids on ther eright now so i just told him to back them up onto a disc then go from there.
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21. June 2007 @ 08:28 |
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hey docTY how are you buddy???
gonna have me a C2D here soon.. as you can see all my questions in here..lol
i told him all he needs to do is just get his XP disc and insert it and just follow step by step from the disc and he wont have any problems... he said he has about 200 pics of the famil on it right now and he wll get them off of it tonight
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21. June 2007 @ 08:45 |
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congrats buddy! ya got a PM ~
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21. June 2007 @ 08:49 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
can he reformat it without another HDD??? i know the laptop aint much differnet than a desktop but i have only formated1 drive and thats my new one..lol seeing that its a new laptop i doubt he has much on it that he wouldnt mind losing if he reformated it
Not sure what you mean, "another HDD", but he should be able to re-format the Vista drive with no problems.
when i have reformated a drive(only been 1) i put the new hard drive in my system as a slave drive then installed OS then took it out and put in the tower i was useing it in
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21. June 2007 @ 09:08 |
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got your pm doc. you got a reply..lol
i know there is alot of junk attached to vista, but is there anythng good about it? i havent heard alot (good that is) about vista... but from waht little i have seen i like the 3d pages it has...lol just me thats all
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21. June 2007 @ 10:02 |
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cincyrob,
he will need to download the XP drivers for whatever hardware is on his laptop from the toshiba website eg: onboard sound or sound card drivers, onboard video or video card drivers, XP drivers for his wifi, XP drivers for his mobo etc, I would then save them on a cd.
toshiba tech support should be able to tell him what drivers he will need.
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21. June 2007 @ 14:58 |
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Ok so I'm Planning on buying this computer from Dell, no matter what you guys say I know dell is terrible to buy from but id like if i could do the best with what I've got so far. there is no way i can get a computer that isn't from dell since my parents just wont listen no arguments there. My question is just how will a computer like this (below) be able to run world of warcraft. Buying this for my college bound brother who is a WoW player. I felt really bad for him seeing him on his old rig which is a piece of junk from like 2003 or so. Its Running on 256 RAM nuff said, anyway It would be wonderful if i could hear back soon as i must order tonight. :
PROCESSOR Mobile AMD Sempron? 3500+ (1.8GHz/512KB)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista? Home Basic
LCD PANEL 15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA Display with TrueLife?(glossy) edit
MEMORY 1GB DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz, 2 Dimm edit
HARD DRIVE Size: 60GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
OPTICAL DRIVE 24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive edit
VIDEO CARD ATI RADEON® Xpress1150 256MB HyperMemory? (Integrated) edit
SOUND OPTIONS Integrated Audio edit
BATTERY OPTIONS 29 WHr 4-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
WIRELESS CARDS Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
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21. June 2007 @ 15:09 |
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WOW will be able to run on basic settings.
That configuration honestly looks like it needed an upgrade 2 years ago and must be Dells bargain of the month. Putting Vista on that will suck all the power from it, rendering it about as good probably as the old one you want to replace.
I'd almost buy new RAM for the old one from 2003 than buy that with Dell and Vista.
Many Dells have new Intel core 2 chips which are the best, or if buying older, less expensive, I thought I seen AMD X2(dual core) a while back. Try to find a 3800+ X2 or better, not a Sempron.
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21. June 2007 @ 15:35 |
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so your saying only thing thats holding it back is the processor? and that makes a big difference i assume so which should i go with?
AMD Turion? 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 (2.0GHz/1MB)
AMD Turion? 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TL-56
Mobile AMD Sempron? 3500+ (1.8GHz/512KB)
AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TK-53
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21. June 2007 @ 16:06 |
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AMD Athlon? 64 X2 Dual-Core Mobile Technology TK-53
Genuine Windows Vista? Home Basic
15.4 inch Wide Screen XGA Display with TrueLife?(glossy)
1GB DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz, 2 Dimm
Size: 60GB SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
ATI RADEON® Xpress1150 256MB HyperMemory? (Integrated)
Integrated Audio
29 WHr 4-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
This is the best I can Do any more suggestions? I know that only the processor is different.
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21. June 2007 @ 17:22 |
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I just got an Acer laptop yesterday with nothing on it yet, and on the ram usage meter it says it has already used 766 MB of ram as soon as I boot it up. My desktop has Vista installed as a dual boot with XP. Both my desktop and my laptop have 2 gigs of ram, and my desktop having a clean install of vista on it's own portion of the HDD still uses up around 600 MB of ram at startup without any other programs installed. I wouldn't have Vista without atleast 2 gigs of ram (I would prefer 4). My laptop has a 160 GB HDD at 5400 RPM, Core 2 Duo at 1.86 GHz, and 2 gigs of ram. And it still seems slow to me, and I still can't play any games on it. Mostly because any of the games it will run with integrated graphics are incompatible with Vista.
Bottom line is I hate Vista and am now trying to install XP on it as we speak. I have ran into many problems doing this though, because partition Magic isn't compatible with Vista and I can't dual boot. If I install XP from scratch I won't have any drivers for anything because they are all for Vista.
For the most part I got an excellent deal on my laptop, I told you the specs and I only paid $750 for it.
Sorry I kind of got off topic since this is the Official PC Building Thread. But I saw his problem and figured I'd let him know what I though of my new decently powerful laptop running Vista. Basically I wouldn't recommend it at all, but then again, I don't see a way around it.
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21. June 2007 @ 17:35 |
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I won't pretend to know anything about Vista cause I don't but I WILL NOT run it on my puter until there is ZERO choice otherwise. :)
I talked to my step-mom yesterday, she's a computer programmer and deals with AS/400 IBM's most of the time but she does dabble in Micro PC's every once in a while. She said she wouldn't even work on a PC with Vista , it's that bad. She had a client call her the other day about a problem with Vista and she just formated the HDD and installed XP without thinking twice. :P OK enough of that. ;)
@CHEESEPIE,
Can't you order a PC with XP installed from DELL? Something to look at if possible. ;)
@Spenman91,
I'll look and see what I can find for drivers and such. I think that Mort81 said something but I can't remember and I'm lazy. :P btw what is the specs and make of your laptop?
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21. June 2007 @ 17:53 |
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Spenman91,
I can't stand vista. I bought a new dell laptop about 4 or 5 months ago and vista is all that was available for OS. I went to the dell website on my desktop pc and downloaded all the necessary XP drivers for my laptop and saved them to a cd. I then reformated my laptop with XP and then loaded all the drivers from the cd. no more vista for me. you should be able to do the same with your acer.
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21. June 2007 @ 18:14 |
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I'm glad I said something about that before I continued to use Vista. I will make that my project tonight, to get all the necessary drivers and then reformat with XP.
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what is the specs and make of your laptop
Acer Aspire 5610-4648
Intel Core Duo Processor T2350 (1.86 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 2 MB Cache)
15.4" WXGA Acer CrystalBrite LCD (16 ms)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
160 GB HDD (5400 RPM)
DVD-Super Multi Double layer
2 GB DDR2
802.11 a/b/g Wireless LAN.
And to top it all of (as of now) Windows Vista Home Premium.
Another thing I was wondering was, is there any way to fine out if I can upgrade to a 7600 GeForce Go, or something like that so I can atleast play some games? I tried to fine a laptop with atleast a graphics card installed and not a Graphics Adapter. But the only one I could find was the Sony Vio with Blu-ray and it was around $3,000. I honestly don't even know where to look to find a graphics card for a laptop. I searched on Google a little and tried to see if my laptop was capable of having a GPU but I didn't fine much.
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21. June 2007 @ 18:45 |
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Another thing I was wondering was, is there any way to fine out if I can upgrade to a 7600 GeForce Go, or something like that so I can atleast play some games?
I don't think so unless you can use an expresscard or PCMCIA card depending on what you have and override the onboard graphics. I was sure to get a graphics card preinstalled on mine when I ordered it. I wish I would have got a sound card too but creative just came out with a X-Fi soundblaster expresscard sound card that I'm looking at.
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21. June 2007 @ 18:50 |
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Here's this page by Acer. link
Another utility to back up your drivers. Don't know if this will help but here it is anyway. :) link
Driver Magician Lite - link from MG...
Driver Packs BASE - link
There's a couple of different places to look and try to back up your drivers. I'm at the extent of what I can do. Maybe one of the guru's will kick in here and have more input. ;)
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21. June 2007 @ 18:52 |
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I tried to get mine preinstalled but I was too impatient to order one, and like I said the only one in the store with anything but a Graphics Accelerator was around $3,000.
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I don't think so unless you can use an expresscard or PCMCIA card depending on what you have and override the onboard graphics
Sorry, but I don't know alot about laptops. What exactly is an expresscard, or a PCMCIA card? I thought it was the slot located on the side that is sometimes used for wireless cards, but I wasn't sure.
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21. June 2007 @ 18:59 |
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@greensman, thanks for the links.
I have one other problem though. Any copies of XP I have are just recovery disk for other computers. I don't have any full copies of XP, and I have heard they don't sell them anymore. I have one copy that I got a long time ago and I used it on an old custom built PC. However when I used it I got the Genuine Activation message when I installed drivers sometimes (if you know what I mean). I cold use that version but I don't want to get it installed and then run into that problem with my laptop. Believe me, I would buy it if I could but I don't think I can any more.
Sorry for bringing that up, but I just wanted to know if it might work or not before I went off and formatted my computer.
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21. June 2007 @ 18:59 |
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21. June 2007 @ 19:02 |
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Ok, yea I know what your talking about now. I have the PCMCIA slot.
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21. June 2007 @ 19:05 |
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you can still buy XP home or XP Pro. google or check at B&M stores. the recovery disc won't work. you can even download it although I never have and don't know if I would trust it.
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21. June 2007 @ 19:07 |
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Well I knew the recovery versions wouldn't work. But I just wondered if a version off of the internet would give me any problems. But I'll buy it when I find it. I would rather pay to have a version that works fully than a free version that tells me to activate it all the time and that it isn't genuine.
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21. June 2007 @ 19:32 |
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link for XP
try that and see what you can find. :)
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