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21. May 2007 @ 13:49 |
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@Lp531
Thanks for your input...for some reason at home I get the email up-date from AD but no new post...go to work and everything is there- just 20-30 post behind considering the threads I subscribe to.
@rick5446
I have 3 of those 1655 drives and they love Verbs...a matter of fact there has not been any media it has had a problem with [TY, Verbs, ridata, MIJ are about all I use] is the firmware up to date...
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21. May 2007 @ 20:46 |
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Hey guys,
I'm finally deciding to take the plunge on getting the new memory, from DDR to DDR2, but at the same time I figured I can get myself a better motherboard so that I can OC my C2D 6300. This VIA chipset just hates to OC, and with no Dual Channel or SATA2 support I'm just killing my CPU (though not the fastest). I plan to keep my uATX chassis so my choices are limited...can anyone suggest a decent uATX board? I the best I've seen is something built around the intel G965 chipset by MSI.
The specs to me look good but does the 965 OC well?
Thanks all!
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taz1974
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22. May 2007 @ 08:10 |
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lp531,
as far as i know. i think it had a 5 year warrenty. well from the manufactory anyways. when i did the RMA it still said that i could replace it. so i guess it was still good on there end to let me replace it. we will see. i hope i can. ive always heard that newegg was really good about replacing items. so we will see what happens.
ya'll have a good day.
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23. May 2007 @ 03:08 |
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herrick...Firmware BCGB
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23. May 2007 @ 09:47 |
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rick5446,
your f/w is a little old. the latest is BCIB. you can DL it here
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23. May 2007 @ 10:02 |
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Mort81..Thank You
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23. May 2007 @ 10:06 |
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rick,
you're quite welcome.
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23. May 2007 @ 11:13 |
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@ Mort81
Way to go... Ive been away from my machine.
@ rick5446
How is your drive behaving now?
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23. May 2007 @ 11:25 |
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herrick..Don't know yet I haven't flashed it.Gonna D/L the old drivers 1st JIC
quick ques...I just bought a new 500gig 16meg mem Samsung SATA HDD.is their really that much dif. in 16 &8 meg mem
I've noticed their is about 40bucks dif. in the 2
This is just for future reference,as I intend to buy a couple more 500 GIG HDD
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23. May 2007 @ 17:40 |
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thanks for the reply...I shall wait for the Doc's opinion!
herrick,
don't know if you went ahead and ordered the Silverstone PSU yet, but i've only used the Zeus model, this is the one i've had VERY good results with:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/st85zf/st85zf.html
as to the powersupplies that WILL suffice for years to come (850w-1000w), i've used 5 different kinds:
1. Enermax Galaxy -1000w, i had bad experience with the very first revisions released, but got the new revision and it's been great.
2. Coolermaster 1000w Real Power Pro RS-A00-EMBA (they have a new MODULAR one that has just been released if you prefer the modular ones : RS-A00-ESBA is the modular model number).
3. PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W - generally TOO expensive for most consumers, but PC Power & Cooling definitely live up to their reputation for some of the best PSUs in the market, no doubt about that.
4. Coolermaster Real Power Pro RS-850-EMBA (850w)- one of my most stable powersupplies ever used under the $300 price range, powers my dual 8800gtx just fine.
5. Silverstone 850w i mentioned & linked above, VERY stable and high build quality.
any of the specific ones i mentioned above will be more than enough for you, i've tested these personally running dual 8800gtx so stable power is NOT an issue.
if you would like a less expensive choice well under $150 mark, i would recommend the OCZ GameXStream 700w, the Thermaltake 750w Toughpower, or the Enermax Liberty series. i've used all those for my "less powerful" builds in the past (AMD systems) and all 3 WILL run a single Nvidia 8800gtx with no problems. i wouldn't suggest anything lower than a good, reliable 850w PSU if you want to go SLI w/ dual 8800gtx and would even recommend an 850w model for 8800gts in SLI as well~ :)
my OCZ, THermaltake, and Enermax PSUs were running Nvidia 7900gtx's in SLI (and ATI x1900xtx in Crossfire for 2 months), but as you well know, the 7900gtx don't need nearly as much power as the 8800 series. :)
hope that narrows down your decision, as mentioned above, i have personally tested these on my own builds (among a few others by Ultra, BFG, and Tagan that i would NOT recommend because of my problems with them further down the road- not that they were poor powersupplies, but those 3 companies gave me more grief than anyone should have to go thru with a PSU).
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23. May 2007 @ 17:50 |
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@ The doc
Thanks my friend for your time and effort, Now I have something to think about and options...I plane on iether running 2 7900s or 7950s not sure yet...what ever does the best job, after I look into it.
again thanks
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23. May 2007 @ 18:15 |
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no problem~ :)
if you plan on using the 7900 series in SLI, the less expensive 850w or the 3 700w-750w PSUs will do the job just fine, even save you $100+ in the process~ good luck with your choice~
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23. May 2007 @ 18:35 |
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Wait a minute did you guys see a "doc" run thru??
Hey docTY how are things buddy? Good here. :)
Thru your name out a time or two, hopes that's ok buddy. I try to remember word for word but sometimes something gets lost in translation. I think I was accurate. ;) At least I knew you had/have a SilverStone psu and Pioneer DVR-109 drive. LOL.
Thanks for stopping by and imparting the usual education. ;)
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23. May 2007 @ 18:55 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
Wait a minute did you guys see a "doc" run thru??
Hey docTY how are things buddy? Good here. :)
Thru your name out a time or two, hopes that's ok buddy. I try to remember word for word but sometimes something gets lost in translation. I think I was accurate. ;) At least I knew you had/have a SilverStone psu and Pioneer DVR-109 drive. LOL.
Thanks for stopping by and imparting the usual education. ;)
....gm
hi buddy, yeah, had some time to do my blitzkreig run thru this forum, things are busy, but good! thanks, hope all is well for you too
i dont' mind you throwing out my name, if someone can use the help from me because i have experience with a particular component, ask them to PM me....no worries~ :) you know i'm not as regular as i once was in staying up to date with the forums/posts, but i still do check my PM's weekly~ LOL
how'z ur new dual core AMD working out for you? i've only skimmed that last few pages of this thread, so if you posted something about it i may have missed it. it's so difficult keeping up with technology, i just recently went the quad-core route and i can say i've been rather disappointed in OC'in when compared to my dual core OC'in :( i know it's two different platforms, but after my success w/ the C2D, i was hoping i would get similiar results from the Quads...oh well~ :)
have a good one.
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25. May 2007 @ 08:41 |
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Hi DocTY!
Same here about OCing the quad core compared to the C2D. My E6600 runs stable at 3.4 with very little Vcore or other voltage changes. On the other hand, I can't get the the QX6700 past 3.05 even when pushing Vcore past 1.5 volts. I haven't pushed the MCH past 1.75 volts.
It's even tough to get a beliveable temperature reading. There is a big variation in what different temp programs read which doesn't make things any easier.
Being pretty much a newbie at all of this, I would really like to avoid frying the $$$ quad core so I backed everything back to stock settings.
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26. May 2007 @ 05:48 |
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hi fasfrank!
it's been ages since we've crossed paths here on AD, i remember "back in the days" when i used to contribute heavily in the dvd media forums and the optical drive forums and saw you there quite often :)
i notice from your sig. you are using the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe and the current "top model" Kentsfield quad core (i am using the Q6600 one step below your chip) :) late last year i was using the same Asus mobo you are using now, but have since changed to an Nvidia EVGA 680i mobo for all my overclocking (ie. the 680i "A1" revision for my quad and the 680i "AR" revision for my dual-core) i think we choose to use very similar equipment as i also have an E6600 C2D on my other eVGA 680i (that was the chip that got me into the "4ghz club" on water, but i don't run it that high 24/7, it's usually around 3.8ghz-3.9ghz depending on my routine for the day) :)
i suppose i COULD try my OC'in success (or lack thereof) on the P5W-DH Deluxe, but that would mean me taking apart my dad's rig. i built for him just to "experiment" some more~ LOL i overclocked my father's system using an E6600 running @ 3.4ghz 24/7 (much like you) with vcore @1.4v using Zalman 9700LED air cooling. it runs smooth and stable, quite fast performance-wise and all that my dad wants, i need not go higher for his computing needs. :)
hitting 3.4ghz MAX OC for my quad-core is a fairly decent achievement in most enthusiast's eyes, but for me, i sincerely was hoping for 3.6ghz :) (i'm somewhat extreme like that) i easily had my E6600 to 3.6ghz within 2 days of building my first Conroe system on the Asus P5W-DH Deluxe and it was on AIR cooling at that time w/ a hair higher than 1.4v Vcore too! since i purchased the earliest revision of the P5W-DH deluxe (shortly after it first came out), i really couldn't increase the MCH much as it was limited in the earlier mobos. i haven't upgraded to the newer revision, so i keep my dad's P5W-DH MCH on "auto" and it seems to be enough lol.
what type of cooling are you using on your quad if i may ask? are the temps getting "too high for your liking" pumping 1.5v+ ? i personally tend to trust Everest Ultimate Edition cpu readings for my own purposes, however, the program doesn't work correctly for a few people here on AD, but it works just fine for me. i know from first hand experience that the Nvidia Ntune/Control Panel program that is commonly used for Nvidia based mobos, the temp readings are completely OFF! by like 20-30C! so, even on Nvidia based mobos, they still need to work on the software side of things :)
does Asus PC Probe II work well for you? that's what i used on my own Asus P5W-DH deluxe, it was just as accurate as my BIOS readings...perhaps give that a shot? i haven't kept up with the P5W-DH BIOSes lately, but for your sake, i'm hoping they come out with a new one to improve quad-core overclocking...the mobo itself is more than capable, i think a BIOS update should improve things in the near future.
good luck
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26. May 2007 @ 08:07 |
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ok guys, im totally new to building PCs and need some help. the biggest problem for me is finding out whats compatible. I have a budget of $850-$950. Ill be using this for gaming (Battlefield 2, WoW, Halflife 2. ect). Possibly watching TV if i get a TV tuner. Ill be getting an HD monitor if that matters... I know i want to go with an AMD athlon processor. From there on im pretty much lost.. If anyone could help me find the best for my budget (and all compatible) that'd be great! Thanks!
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26. May 2007 @ 08:28 |
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Originally posted by crailtap:
ok guys, im totally new to building PCs and need some help. the biggest problem for me is finding out whats compatible. I have a budget of $850-$950. Ill be using this for gaming (Battlefield 2, WoW, Halflife 2. ect). Possibly watching TV if i get a TV tuner. Ill be getting an HD monitor if that matters... I know i want to go with an AMD athlon processor. From there on im pretty much lost.. If anyone could help me find the best for my budget (and all compatible) that'd be great! Thanks!
Is the $850-$950 just for the computer or does it need to include everything? Keyboard, mouse, monitor and such. ;)
ARE you locked in on AMD or will you consider Intel if we can get you something around the $950 mark? The Intel will get you a better computer and more "upgradeable" in the future if that's a word. lol.
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26. May 2007 @ 08:33 |
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the "around $850-$950" is just the tower... I had been thinking of intell but.. i work at circuit ciy and mentioned it to one of the firedog pc techs.. the he flipped out.. he showed me all these benchmarks about how much better amd was than intel. I'd like to stay with AMD becasue of the stuff he told me, but if intel is truly just as good, I'd just go with whatever i can get the best bang for the buck from
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26. May 2007 @ 09:16 |
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greensman is correct in stating that intel is the way to go right now and will give you the best bang for the buck. clock per clock there is no dual core AMD cpu that can even compete with the intel core 2 duo's.
not to disrespect your firedog pc tech but he is obviously behind in current tech. not long ago AMD was the king but ever since the release of the intel core 2 duo's, AMD has been playing catch up in every respect and is still quite a ways behind.
the intel E6600 at stock 2.4ghz ($224.90) will compete with and in most cases outperform even the top end AMD athlon 64 X2 6000+ @ 3.0ghz and if OC'ed a little to 2.8ghz or 3.0ghz it will walk all over it. at stock 2.4ghz it will also walk all over the opteron 185 @ 2.6ghz.
one step down and also a good choice is the E6420 @ 2.13ghz. both these cpu's have 4M L2 cache.
if you want to see some benchmarks comparing AMD dual core cpu's to intel C2D cpu's, I can provide you with some.
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26. May 2007 @ 09:19 |
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alright, so i guess ill be going with intel now... Anyone have any idea on the other hardware or could someone possibly give me a list with some links or product numbers? Thanks for all your help!
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26. May 2007 @ 11:44 |
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crailtap,
All ideas and not written is stone my friend. :)
Intel cpu
Case
mobo - look at the combo deals with the memory, there is an ASUS and Gigabite mobo (I think the ones Mort81 was referencing)
memory (corsair DDR2 800)
power supply
video card
HDD
DVD-RW #1
DVD-RW #2
Sony floppy drive
IDE cable for DVD-RW drives
SATA cable for HDD (I would get 2 of different color in case you add another HDD later)
cable for floppy
I normally forget something so I may add later or wait for one of the 'guru' type fellows to kick in too. :)
Total right now is $898.89 + shipping and tax if applicable, also you will have $100 in REBATES so the TOTAL should be under $900. YEAH!!!
....gm
EDIT: to change link for mobo and memory!! Silly link didn't go to the memory and mobo combo for some reason. I did pick the Corsair memory Mort81, I've learned something but not much. hehehe. :)
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26. May 2007 @ 12:22 |
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Hi Doc,
Nice talking with you again!
I have put overclocking the QX6700 on the back burner for now. The E6600 is a great overclocker compared to the quad core... At least with the Asus mobo. I have not found any voltage readings I can believe, besides it seems to run hot... hard to tell what the actual temps are though because every program gives me a different reading.
For cooling I'm running a Thermalright SI-128 with a 120mm Scythe fan:
I've got the E6600 running very stable at 3.5 Ghz so I'm happy with that.
Here is a pix of it:
@greensman,
Nice choices. I'll be the first to suggest a change, lol....
Instead of two burners why not a DVD-ROM and a burner?
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greensman,
your link to mobo and memory combo go to empty shopping cart. I would suggest a mobo with the intel 965 or 975 chipset. possibly an asus P5W DH Deluxe or P5B series or a gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 series unless you plan on upgrading to runing two cards in SLI later and then I would recommend a mobo with the nvidia 680i chipset.
as always I recommend a matched set of corsair XMS2 DDR2 PC2 6400 memory, 1 or 2 gb. I would also suggest a 3.0gb/s 16mb cache hdd, maybe one similiar to this depending on what size he wants.
if you get a retail mobo, it should include sata cables. might want to go with a 24" instead of a 18" round IDE cable to be safe.
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