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Jinkazuya
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3. July 2007 @ 16:02 |
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I have got a few questions that I wanna ask:
What are those ISA bus? PCI? PCI X? PCI E or something like PCI X 16 and so forth. Would you mind explaining them in details? What I know is that some of them are for video card, internet, USB drive, flash drive, speakers and so on...But how the heck do I know which one is the one that support video card, and which one support internet...?
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3. July 2007 @ 16:33 |
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Jink not to be rude but you can look that stuff up with a GOOGLE search or whatever search engine you prefer and find the answers. Most of us don't have the time to be looking up terminology for you or anyone really. :) I guess that was rude but NOT intended to be so.
Just use some common sense and a good search engine to find most of what you're asking. If there's something that doesn't make sense after some investigation then come calling.
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3. July 2007 @ 16:49 |
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Jinkazuya
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3. July 2007 @ 17:28 |
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Thanks so much for everybody esp crowy for the much more clear info he has provided. Again thanks so much.
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Jinkazuya
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3. July 2007 @ 17:34 |
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Well, I have got a few questions about the terminology. I would like to know what those
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3. July 2007 @ 19:26 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
Jink,
Have a look here:
http://www.vsubhash.com/writeups/pchardware.asp
This may help you understand whats what a bit more.
NICE crowy!! Good little website for learning more about terminology and the like for PC's. :)
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3. July 2007 @ 21:03 |
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3. July 2007 @ 21:13 |
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Originally posted by Guyza:
Hi All,
Due to Intel dropping their prices on 22nd July 2007 (which couldnt come sooner) im going to build myself a new computer. What i was hoping to get out of you guys is some suggestions. My thinking on a chip was that im going to either go for Q6600 or the new E6850 (i think thats what they call it they are that many its the one with 1333mhz FSB) one thing is decided on and that the graphics card 8800GTX. Right my budget is going to be £800 - £1000 (Thank God for a credit card!) obviously the cheaper the better! What would be your suggestions on CPU and maybe motherboard or any other advice you can give me! I need this to last me a couple of years like my current one does and still run games as good! Or maybe you may advise me on AMD rather than Intel! Im currently with AMD right now! Any suggestions? and thanks!
right now go with intel
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4. July 2007 @ 00:36 |
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Seconded.
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4. July 2007 @ 00:55 |
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Originally posted by crowy:
Jink,
Have a look here:
http://www.vsubhash.com/writeups/pchardware.asp
This may help you understand whats what a bit more.
NICE crowy!! Good little website for learning more about terminology and the like for PC's. :)
....gm
Thanks:)
I also learned something...I found out what Diskless Nodes are!!!!!!LOL!!!!
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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Jinkazuya
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4. July 2007 @ 01:25 |
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I have read the article crowy has linked. However, there is one thing I wanna ask. For the PCIe x8 slot and the PCIe x 16 slot. What is the difference? Most of the PC right now has embedded with a PCIe x 16 slot. With two PCIe x8 slots, won't it be a lot better than just a PCIe x16 slot? If we get two video card for PCie x8 slot and one video card support PCIe x16, are they just the same?
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4. July 2007 @ 06:06 |
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Two 8x slots are the result with a standard chipset and two 16x slots, they can't run at 16x speed, only 8x. Hence, why the M2N32 etc. were made, to get true 16x. A specific 8x slot is usually occupied by other devices, since all Graphics cards (to my knowledge) on PCI express are designed for 16x.
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Jinkazuya
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4. July 2007 @ 12:52 |
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Ok here is another question:
1) Is the PCI always used for expansion board such as Internet Lan card, sound cards, and ethernet?
2) Is the PCIe X8 or X16 only used for high graphic video card? What about low graphic or video card?
3) AGP is only used for cheaper or lower class video card?
I really don't get it.
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4. July 2007 @ 13:01 |
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You're correct about PCI, it's the simple low cost way of attaching devices. PCI express 1x devices are starting to crop up now, but there's still more choice at less expense with PCI, and pretty much every PC has one.
As for PCI express 16x, all graphics cards from the cheapest to the top end cards are all 16x.
AGP isn't necessarily a cheap platform (although it does come on cheap motherboards) but it's just the old way of doing things. PCI express replaced it in 2004, but cards are being sold for old motherboards, and cheap motherboards are being made that still use it (cheap because they use old chipsets)
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Jinkazuya
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4. July 2007 @ 20:29 |
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I have learned a lot by just posting and keeping asking questions. Thanks so much for your continuous help. However, right now I guess it is time to learn how to buy stuff. This is the question.
-Before we buy anything, first we must consider what we really want to do with the components and what we really want our PC to be before we make our final decisions. The first thing we buy is the CPU right? And then the motherboard...after that we gotta see what are compatible with the motherboard before we buy any video cards, RAMs and IDE devices. Is it correct?
-How do you guys distinguish which one works better, and which one is which. For examples, there are lots of video cards and motherboard and how do you guys know which one is better and benefits from your needs?
For example, SAM. I just come here and ask how to build a computer and how each part of the PC is compatible with one another. And then, you could give me a huge list and say you should buy this motherboard, this CPU, the case, power supplies, and rams...How do you know what you choose will be compatible with one another? This is what I wanna learn.
In most cases, you cannot randomly choose whatever you want, you first must know what is compatible and which one is better before you make a purchase. This is kinda difficult to me.
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4. July 2007 @ 20:46 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
I have learned a lot by just posting and keeping asking questions. Thanks so much for your continuous help. However, right now I guess it is time to learn how to buy stuff. This is the question.
-Before we buy anything, first we must consider what we really want to do with the components and what we really want our PC to be before we make our final decisions. The first thing we buy is the CPU right? And then the motherboard...after that we gotta see what are compatible with the motherboard before we buy any video cards, RAMs and IDE devices. Is it correct?
-How do you guys distinguish which one works better, and which one is which. For examples, there are lots of video cards and motherboard and how do you guys know which one is better and benefits from your needs?
For example, SAM. I just come here and ask how to build a computer and how each part of the PC is compatible with one another. And then, you could give me a huge list and say you should buy this motherboard, this CPU, the case, power supplies, and rams...How do you know what you choose will be compatible with one another? This is what I wanna learn.
In most cases, you cannot randomly choose whatever you want, you first must know what is compatible and which one is better before you make a purchase. This is kinda difficult to me.
how i buy:
-Case
-Hard drive
-Cd/dvd drive
-fans
-other stuff (like a media card reader)
-cpu
-motherboard
-RAM
-Graphics card
-extras
-last i buy the PSU so i know i will have enough power to run my parts
as for how you know that stuff works together sometimes it can be hard, but usually if it fits in the slot it will work, not all the time, for example OCZ memory rarely works in an ASUS motherboard, and some motherboards that are socket 775 will not support quad core CPUs. The best way to know is to research the products, for example go to asus's website and read about the motherboard your looking at, they are great at telling you what works and what does not.
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4. July 2007 @ 20:59 |
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Originally posted by Jinkazuya:
I have learned a lot by just posting and keeping asking questions. Thanks so much for your continuous help.
In most cases, you cannot randomly choose whatever you want, you first must know what is compatible and which one is better before you make a purchase. This is kinda difficult to me.
Jink,
You cannot only read and learn but you must take that step to create your own computer someday. DON'T think any of us just learned this one day and built a computer the next day. ;) WE ALL went thru a learning curve on what works well and we all learn or take advice from each other. I know a few guys and gals here that I trust and ask questions from still. It's good that you are willing to ask so many questions but don't think for a second that you will learn it all or enough to do everything w/o asking some questions sometimes. :P
Am I making any sense? It's late and I may be rambling. :S
As far as building your own puter, you gotta ask questions and get advice from whomever you trust. Whether it's sam, Lp531, Mort81, or whoever. At this stage in the game you gotta have help in choosing your components. If you're serious about making a purchase soon, we can all add to your list and try to make sure you get the best deal for your money and your needs. :)
I like most of the stuff that mike gave you but there are always changes we want to make or favorite companies we want to use. :P
Let us know what you want (serious $$$$ figure and performance) and we'll do what we can. ;)
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4. July 2007 @ 21:11 |
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I like most of the stuff that mike gave you but there are always changes we want to make or favorite companies we want to use. :P
thanks!
building a computer is the best way to learn!!!really you learn so so much the first time, and even more the second. My second build took me 3 days (software and hardware problesm including bad RAM and at the very least 10 hours on the phone with microsoft people that hardly speak english)
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4. July 2007 @ 21:20 |
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how i buy:
-Case
-Hard drive
-Cd/dvd drive
-fans
-other stuff (like a media card reader)
-cpu
-motherboard
-RAM
-Graphics card
-extras
-last i buy the PSU so i know i will have enough power to run my parts
the order I would buy is totally different.
1: CPU
2: CPU compatable mobo with features I will need or want.
3: memory
4: case
5: CPU HSF
6: HDD's
7: GPU
8: optical drives
9: sound card
10: PSU big enough to run everything above.
I can always add/replace case fans as needed later.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 4. July 2007 @ 21:24
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4. July 2007 @ 23:46 |
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I too learned from experience, and from the mistakes I've made.
With regard to compatibility, there's a lot to it, but the case and the power supply aren't relevant, and the hard disk usually isn't either (just always buy S-ATA these days). The Graphics card should always be PCI express 16x, and if you're after a fast PC, a Core 2 series CPU (and therefore a socket 775 board) is the way to do it. Therefore, you're not actually left with much of a choice dilemma, it's all down to favourite brand coolers, cases etc. and finding out the compatibility of t hese is easiest simply by reading reviews of them.
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5. July 2007 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I too learned from experience, and from the mistakes I've made.
With regard to compatibility, there's a lot to it, but the case and the power supply aren't relevant, and the hard disk usually isn't either (just always buy S-ATA these days). The Graphics card should always be PCI express 16x, and if you're after a fast PC, a Core 2 series CPU (and therefore a socket 775 board) is the way to do it. Therefore, you're not actually left with much of a choice dilemma, it's all down to favourite brand coolers, cases etc. and finding out the compatibility of t hese is easiest simply by reading reviews of them.
Especially read reviews on power supplies!!
There's some excellent reviews and advice here:
http://www.diy-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10854
These are power supplies recommended and not recommended for DFI boards,but would also be relevant to the majority of higher end boards out there.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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5. July 2007 @ 00:14 |
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But when I say reviews of course, I mean things like tom's hardware guide and anandtech reviews, I don't mean newegg customer comments!
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5. July 2007 @ 05:38 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
But when I say reviews of course, I mean things like tom's hardware guide and anandtech reviews, I don't mean newegg customer comments!
EXACTLY!!! Most of the negative reviews are from SMACKTARDs that either don't have a clue or ordered the wrong part. My rule of thumb for newegg reviews is to add up the 5 and 4 EGG reviews and if the total goes above 90% you should have a good/decent product. If below 75% definitely do some more research. REMEMBER my rule of thumb. :P
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5. July 2007 @ 06:56 |
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lol but then there are those types who give it five stars when they hate it, because they clicked the wrong button.
lol@ the smacktard comment, haven't heard anybody else use that one for a while.
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5. July 2007 @ 07:17 |
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Has or does anyone use a Core 2 on a i945G chipset? Is a motherboard based on this chipset even worth considering? I've talked about it in the past about upgrading my motherboard, but since I'm trying to stick with my uATX case it seems there are only a handful of boards with 965 chipsets, with the bulk being either the VIA or lower end intel. Aside from Dual Channel support of the 945 chipset it is hardly different from my current VIA P4M890 chipset.
@jink
I was a bit more daring when I started building PC's..I broke 2 of my dad's computers, boy was he pissed, in the early days of computing. Once you get in there and realize that "if it fits, it should work" you are pretty much good to go. But with the internet these days, researching what works and what doesn't is a helpful tool. First you should ask yourself what you need your computer for, then how much you are willing to spend. From there you can follow mike or mort's shopping guide. Building a system using Newegg or other retailers shopping basket is always fun and can give you an easy way to create a list you can research. Like most things, your computer will run as fast as your slowest component, so try not to cheat yourself by saving a dollar or two.
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