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3. October 2007 @ 11:16 |
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Each one is hand painted...with over 100hrs in some of the paint jobs...most are limited to a run of 100...
When you factor in the price of the case...then the labor...they are Cheap...
They actually lose money on each case...
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3. October 2007 @ 11:17 |
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That doesn't surprise me...
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3. October 2007 @ 22:04 |
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Cool cases there boys!! Pun intended...hehehe
OK I've got a question..
What GPU do I need to play M$ FlightSimulatorX?? I want to make sure that I get enough GPU to play this game smoothly on a 22" monitor. It's for a friend of mine and since I don't play such complicated games I need some advice. TIA....
Take into consideration this guy is in college and doesn't really wanna spend $300 plus if he can help it. :D
...gm
edit: grammar......arrrgghh!!
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3. October 2007 @ 22:04 |
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3. October 2007 @ 23:22 |
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The problem you've got with Flight Sim X is that it can be incredibly demanding. All I can suggest is find the cheapest 'high end' card and see how you go. How about an X1950 Pro?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102061
Poorlad: you can't share newegg wishlists with people who don't have accounts, so I can't see that. Place the links here individually.
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4. October 2007 @ 04:33 |
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Thanks sam.
This graphics card is what I was looking at but wasn't sure about the abilities to play the game with any smoothness and effectiveness. :D
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4. October 2007 @ 05:23 |
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Is Flight Sim X Directx10? that card's alright but I suspect the X1950 Pro may be a bit faster. If the 8600GTS turns out cheaper though, go for that, it'll certainly suffice.
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4. October 2007 @ 06:25 |
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Which card is better?? I'm looking at the specs and it shows the MSI 8600GTS with core clock 700 and memory clock 2100 while the Sapphire X1950PRO has core clock 580 and memory clock 1400. NOT knowing a WHOLE lot about what is going on here the MSI seems like the better card for the money and the better card overall. :D There may be more economic deals out there and better companies but I'm just trying to figure out this whole GPU thing for simplicities sake. :P
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4. October 2007 @ 07:56 |
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The clock speed doesn't determine performance. A prime example would be the Core 2 CPUs. They are clocked MUCH lower yet outperform higher clocked P4s like crazy. It depends on the architecture, but check out tomshardware and theri VGA charts for comparing GPU performance.
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4. October 2007 @ 08:26 |
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the X1950 Pro is without question faster, but obviously doesn't have directx10 capability, so it depends whether Flight Sim X will use it or not, I couldn't say myself.
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4. October 2007 @ 08:49 |
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greensman,
find cards as close as possible to the ones you want to compare and plug them in here then you can select different games. not sure if flight sim is there though.
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4. October 2007 @ 08:56 |
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As luck would have it, it is. Unfortunately it looks like the trend is that the CPU limits performance more than the GPU. It also seems like nvidia cards are better programmed for the game than ATi. Anything as powerful as a 7900GT can handle the game at any resolution it seems, albeit only attaining 19fps. Things don't improve much when you down the detail!
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PoorLad
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4. October 2007 @ 10:09 |
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4. October 2007 @ 10:31 |
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@all,
If I did this right then this is what Tom's has to compare and say. :)
link to comparison
Any help in the "reading" of this would completely clarify any questions I'm sure. As it looks the 8600 GTS is better than the X1950PRO. :S Any insight on that??
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4. October 2007 @ 10:41 |
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poorlad,
looks pretty good to me. I would probably go with this memory x2 and this p/s or this p/s instead.
I'm not sold on the quad cores and know they don't OC nearly as well as the dual cores so I would opt for this cpu
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4. October 2007 @ 23:18 |
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My FS10 box says this as part of the system requirements:
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Video card: DirectX 9.0Cc compliant with 32mb of ram and support for harware transformation and lighting.
At poorlad,
Ditto what Mort says...
Did you notice you are listing two psus? The case you listed has a 430 Watt PSU in it.
An IDE DVD-ROM? Get a SATA DVD burner instead. This Samsung is excellent:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151153
That way you can burn DVDs if you want to.
Opinion:
Get an E6850. Use that 1333FSB on that Abit board. Very few programs even use four cores. Do you know which programs use all four? If not then why the quad. I do video work with my quad core and only a couple of Nero programs will use 4 cores. I get most of my stuff from Newegg but for processors I go to www.mwave.com and save a few dollars and get faster shipping.
I'd get the Antec Sonata III case with the 500Watt Earthwatts PSU, only because I like the way they go together and the quality. The one you picked is fine though and probably cooler than the Sonata.
BTW the Cooler Master case without the PSU is this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119106
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4. October 2007 @ 23:59 |
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@PoorLad
Go with the PC Power & Cooling P/S that Mort recommended...By far the best P/S of the Bunch...$123 Free Shipping...
Here is a better buy on Memory...
Crucial Technology Ballistix BL2KIT6464AA804 1GB Kit DDR2-800 PC2-6400 Memory Retail
$69.95 with ***Free Shipping***
With $25 Rebate $44.95
Voltage: 2.2V
Memory Timings: 4-4-4-12
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...uctCode=80061-3
Recommended Cases
Enermax ECA3052-B Chakra Mid Tower Case (Black) Retail
$69.99 ***Free Shipping***
Favorite Case for Cooling and Noise...Like the Stealth Drive Bays...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...ductCode=270413
Or this:
COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$79.99 ***Free 3 Business Day Shipping***
$59.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119129
[b]I saw that you picked the 8800GTS...
I do not think it will fit in the case you chose...
I know the Enermax Chakra will hold the 8800GTS 640MB...
I am not sure about the Mystique...
I would highly recommend the 640MB version over the 320MB card...Most current games the 320MB is Fine...However in the future you will want the extra memory...Well worth the extra Cash...[/b]
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5. October 2007 @ 00:45 |
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5. October 2007 @ 00:53 |
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You can do better for the Cash...the Striker is expensive for the Performance...
I would Go with a Gigabyte M/B or a EVGA...if you want SLI...and an Intel Processor...
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5. October 2007 @ 01:35 |
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For anyone considering a budget build,here's a couple of new cpu options from AMD. HERE
Regards,Crowy.
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5. October 2007 @ 11:48 |
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I'm almost ashamed to even ask this as I should know. I need a ups for my pc, monitor, etc. How do I know what size to get? there's no amp rating on the back of my pc since it was built by me. all my system specs are in my sig. is a 335 - 350 watt ups big enough? tia.
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5. October 2007 @ 11:57 |
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Most UPSs are measured in VA, which isn't quite the same thing as Watts as I understand, I think you should get a 500VA UPS to be on the safe side, certainly if you want to run your monitor off it as well!
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5. October 2007 @ 21:08 |
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I don't really need to do a new build, but more of a rebuild for a friend. He had a PC built about 2 years ago I think, and started playing World of Warcraft about a year ago. No offense to his PC, but it's not a computer that I would want to play games on. I don't know the exact specs of it, but roughly it is a, P4 at 3.0 GHz (overclocked), 1 gig of ram, integrated graphics by ATI, a 120 gig SATA HDD, Asus motherboard, and what looked like a really cheap PSU.
Recently it started randomly shutting down, I looked at it and put SpeedFan on it, and it was running at 61 C idle, 75 C on a full load. I told him that was way too hot and the cheapest thing I could do was buy some air duster and get rid of the dust.
The PSU was covered in dust so I started to dust it out first when I noticed liquid coming out of the air duster can. Although this pissed me off that a product designed for that use would do that, I didn't hurt anything. We took the heatsink off and dusted it out really good, it was caped in dust.
After removing nearly all the dust, we booted back up and he played World of Warcraft for about an hour, and I don't think it got above 42 C.
Here is where the rebuilding part comes in. After doing all of this matence, he decided that he wanted to upgrade some things on his computer. For one thing, his PC is louder than an Xbox 360 with an intercooler (if you know what that sounds like). So he said he wanted to do something about that. After running it with the side of the case off and listening I decided it wasn't the CPU fan, but the PSU fan. Then I notice that he is lagging really bad while playing World of Warcraft, and he asked me what he could do about that. I told him that his processor should be fast enough, and he should have enough ram to play it perfectly, but that he would need a better GPU. I had an old 7300 LE that I told him he could have, and that I thought it should atleast run World of Warcraft decently. I put that card in, and the computer wouldn't give me anything but a black screen through either of the VGA ports, and I enabled PCI-E and onboard video. When I took the card out, intergrated worked again. I told him I thought that the PSU might not have enough power to power up that GPU.
He told me to find a good PSU from newegg and he would buy it. I recommended this one to him, I don't know much at all about PSUs, but I figured 500 Watts would be enough, and I had heard that Thermaltake was good, so I recommended this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
Overall I guess I could have skipped all of the above, but it gives you some background information. But my final question is, how well will his computer run World of Warcraft with a 3.0 GHz P4, 1 gig of ram, 7300 LE GPU, and 120 gig SATA HDD? If it won't run that great, what can you do to make it run better.
By the way, I recommended the 7600 GT to him, but I didn't know if he would even need a card that good for World of Warcraft, so I thought the 7300 LE might do it.
If you took the time to read all of this, thank you very much.
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PoorLad
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5. October 2007 @ 22:07 |
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awesome, after looking all of it over, the mwave place was like 9 bucks cheaper... if I ordered all this through newegg at the same time, would it be shipped in one box, or at the same time in seperate packages?
as for quad core... Im going to be using autodesk products alot, especially the 3d modeling programs inventor and revit... not sure if they support that or not, will have to look into it. as for overclocking, not entirely sure if I want to, if what I have is fast enough at the time.
in any case, how much wattage should I get for the psu? (wasnt sure which was better, didnt notice they came w/o)
and for ram, which brand is best? I was wanting to go for an upgrade later on... so possibly one 2gig stick or is there some reason for that to not be such a great idea?
about the case, is there something that I need to look into that will make sure everything fits?
answers always appreciated.
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5. October 2007 @ 22:58 |
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@poorlad
The PC Power & Cooling that Mort recommended is the Best P/S Listed...Do not waste your time looking at the others...they are not as good on any spec...Now if you want something better...upgrade to the PC Power & Cooling Quad 750...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...ode=10005613...
Newegg...Packages will usually be separate...
Memory...You need (2) sticks to Run in Dual Channel Mode...There is No Best...The Consistent Good Brands are...Corsair...Crucial...OCZ...G Skill...and a few others...
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