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23. January 2008 @ 00:31 |
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The New "HD3870 X2"...(2) GPU's on a single card...
Where's the link to those #'s...boozer...so I can read...
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If the early numbers are accurate, the HD 3870X2 is sometimes faster than NVIDIA's 8800 Ultra, but it depends on the game. The HD 3870X2 has a suggested retail price in the $449 to $499 range (USD), but you can expect that early prices for the new video card will be higher.
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/7554/
I read another one that...I can-not find...that was stating lower # on the X2...compared to the Ultra...
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23. January 2008 @ 00:33 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
I've seen benchmarks with it being about 30 faster than the Ultra in most cases, so yes it IS worth the money in many cases. Of course some games it's about 30 percent slower, but that's just anomalies. I guess it up to you and what games you play. Also that's just China it's about 440 dollars when released here, which is better than 500 you would pay for two 3870s.
Bioshock 1280*1024 = 4% Slower
Bioshock 1920x1200 = 24% Faster
Bioshock 2560*1600 = 39% Faster
COJ 1280*1024 = 11% Faster
COJ 1920x1200 = 24% Faster
COJ 2560*1600 = 10% Faster
COJ 1280*1024 4AA 16AF = 13% Faster
COJ 1920x1200 4AA 16AF = 23% Faster
Crysis 1280*1024 = 13% Slower
Crysis 1920x1200 = 2% Slower
Crysis 2560*1600 = 12% slower
COD4 1280*1024 = 42% Faster
COD4 1920x1200 = 32% Faster
COD4 2560*1600 = 26% Faster
COD4 1280*1024 4AA 16AF = 27% Faster
COD4 1920x1200 4AA 16AF = 20% Faster
COD4 2560*1600 4AA 16AF = 16% Faster
Serious Sam 2 1280*1024 HAA 16AF = 30% Faster
Serious Sam 2 1920x1200 HAA 16AF = 45% Faster
Serious Sam 2 2560*1600 HAA 16AF = 78% Faster
UT3 1280*1024 = 7% Faster
UT3 1920x1200 = 24% Faster
UT3 2560*1600 = 37% Faster
F.E.A.R. 1600*1200 = 20% Faster
F.E.A.R. 2048*1536 = 20% Faster
You can see it varies a bit from game to game, but it's still a good deal.
Well I can't imagine ME having the money to buy this so I'm gonna have YOU guys do it hehehe lol.
in contrar i will purchase one now at 250 and purchase one in a year for 100 and it will only cost me $350
I am Lord Bladerzor.
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23. January 2008 @ 00:37 |
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Yes, LP, that's why I was talking about.
Blade, don't try to take this personally but you mean to say "On the Contrary". I hate it when people say stuff like "Au Contrary" or "On the Contraire".
I mean damn if you want to say it in French say it in French, so need to make a bastardization of the word!
Sorry had to get that out of my system.
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23. January 2008 @ 00:41 |
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Bladerz05
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23. January 2008 @ 00:42 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Yes, LP, that's why I was talking about.
Blade, don't try to take this personally but you mean to say "On the Contrary". I hate it when people say stuff like "Au Contrary" or "On the Contraire".
I mean damn if you want to say it in French say it in French, so need to make a bastardization of the word!
Sorry had to get that out of my system.
lol i took 2.5 yrs of french ahh what a waste...anyways it was all that came to mind at the time
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23. January 2008 @ 00:54 |
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Bladerz05
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23. January 2008 @ 01:00 |
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23. January 2008 @ 01:05 |
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@greenie
I actually liked the look of the Orange Apollo...I could see it with some orange LED fans...
@Bladerz05
Raidmax is known for making...really cheap cases...and dangerous P/S...
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23. January 2008 @ 01:19 |
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that new Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz CPU is mine when i update in a couple months!!
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
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23. January 2008 @ 01:21 |
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Originally posted by Lp531:
@greenie
I actually liked the look of the Orange Apollo...I could see it with some orange LED fans...
You know me, GREEN all the way. lol. :P link to GREEN cases
OK, Riddle me this?? Why would you build a GREEN case and put frikkin blue fans in there??? WHY??? GREEN fans are available!!! lol
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I like that Sigma for some reason but some green fans gotta go in there!!! lol
@ZoSo,
You're not gonna tease us like that Rob fellow are you?? You know look at parts, kick the tires so to say, and NOT buy anything for months!!!!! Guess a man's gotta do what he can. lol. :P
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23. January 2008 @ 01:46 |
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23. January 2008 @ 02:01 |
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You're not gonna tease us like that Rob fellow are you?? You know look at parts, kick the tires so to say, and NOT buy anything for months!
No i will actually buy it lol. Robs been thinking about a new build as long as I've know him lol.
LP531, i can still use my Videocard when i update right? what i have now, vvvv so really all i need is a update CPU, mobo, and ram
Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower Gaming Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB Socket 939/ Seagate160GB Barracuda Sata/ Westeren Digital Raptor 150 GB Sata/NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2,1 GB of GDDR3 Memory / CORSAIR XMS 2GB DDR SDRAM (PC 3500)/AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core CPU OC(ed) to 2.87 GHz/Zalman CNPS-9500 LED Cooler/3-Plextor PX-810 SA Sata Drives/View Sonic-VX2245wm 22" Widescreen 1680x1050 res. 5ms Respone Time
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
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23. January 2008 @ 02:09 |
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You sure can...PCI-E 2.0 is backwards compatible...if that was your concern...
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23. January 2008 @ 02:51 |
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great so all i need is a CPU (E8400) mobo (Asus or Gigabyte?) and memory?
Antec 1200 Full-Tower Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Mobo/Western Digital Black WD500 500GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache/NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTX 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express Video Card/CORSAIR DOMINATOR PLATINUM 16GB DDR3 /Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo)/CORSAIR Hydro High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler/3-Asus DRW-24B1ST Sata Drives/Samsung 2493HM 24" LCD Monitior 1920x1200 resolution,5ms respone time/OS Windows 10 Pro SP1 64-bit
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23. January 2008 @ 05:35 |
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MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|. |
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23. January 2008 @ 06:21 |
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I've had time to cool off a bit and after considering the PM's (thanks guys) I got urging me to come back, although I won't be posting on a regular basis, I felt the need to post this special CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as..._-E0-_-20145034 $34.00 after $40.00 MIR and another $5.00 off with promo code EMCABCCAH plus free shipping. final price $29.00. even though I will probably go with crucial ballistics on my future build, that is a very good deal.
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i hope you aint order yet. that PSU is overkill. get the more efficient, more quite, corsair HX520. and your another guy thats been sucked into the gigabyte band wagon. Asus are not crap at all. hell even better clockers. there top end always set the bench for highest FBS. the ASUS P5E DDR2 is a high end X38 chipset. its very good OCer, and had a lot of features. gigbyte arnt the only good mobo company.
I agree but would probably move up to the HX620. I also agree about asus mobos but you'll usually pay a premium price for them. I'll most likely also go with an asus mobo on my future build. I like their bios layout and excellent OC capabilities.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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23. January 2008 @ 06:24 |
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ok heres the final draft on what im gonna build when i get to build it in the next few weeks..
GA-P35C-DS3R
E8400 cpu
corsair xm2 2x1gb mem
coolermaster extreme power 500w psu
CM cooler
some middle of the road 256 GPU
segate 500gb sata hdd
housed in a CM RC-631 case
with 3-5 red led fans
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23. January 2008 @ 07:07 |
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that PSU is overkill. get the more efficient, more quite, corsair HX520
Its not Overkill for (2) HD3870's...which is what he is planning on...The 520 is to close...in my humble opinion...besides...you can never have to much power...
Good to see you Mort..:)
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23. January 2008 @ 07:13 |
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three pages in nine hours... impressive!
Bladerz05: The Intel system is the better one, mainly because the CPU is a good 50% faster. 700W is overkill for a PSU, but for the love of god don't use a Raidmax unit, they're awful.
The E8400s are in stock, hooray! Does anyone have them benched yet?
Greensman: Tough luck mate, I saw the post. What were you expecting me to say? The Apollo's a good, cheap case, and I was strongly considering getting one for my fileserver.
As for the Raidmax Sagitta, I'm just not very fond of Raidmax's looks, and they're not usually built very well.
On the crossfire front, a 750W PSU for a pair of 3870s? Please tell me that's a joke. A quad core with two 8800 Ultras will only draw 550W, and that's from the wall, let alone inside... The HX620 or VX550 will handle a pair of 3800s, or the 3870X2 fine.
Mort: Welcome back mate! That's an astonishing deal on RAM. I thought I did well buying some of it second hand for £30 in the UK!
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23. January 2008 @ 07:21 |
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A quad core with two 8800 Ultras
On a 550 P/S...Now thats a Freak'in Joke...
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23. January 2008 @ 07:25 |
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Not really. Granted, I wouldn't use a 550W unit on that system for it being fully loaded most of the time, but the point is, if a 550W unit could potentially handle that much, the far lighter load of the 3870s would mean a standard 520 or 550W unit could easily handle the setup. 750W Units I think are massively oversold. That's not to say they're bad, but they're just unnecessary, and usually pretty expensive.
I think a good compromise here is something like the 620W HX. The 750W Quad or Corsair TX is taking things a little far.
Take a look at this graph:
Now refer back to my original statement.
Originally posted by me:
A quad core with two 8800 Ultras will only draw 550W, and that's from the wall
A 550W unit for two 8800 Ultras would indeed struggle, but that was never in my OP.
Sorry for the rant, but that needed clearing up - I quite rightly can't appear to be suggesting you can use a really low rated PSU, it's against everything I stand for!
Something funny about triple SLI, I made this small chart describing at current UK electricity costs, how much extra you'd be paying to have three 8800 Ultras rather than just the one:
PC on 3 hours a day, 1hr gaming £42/year
PC on 6 hours a day, 1hr gaming £71/year
PC on 10hrs a day, 1hr gaming £110/year
PC on 16hrs a day, 1hr gaming £169/year
PC on 24hrs a day, 1hr gaming £248/year
PC on 3 hours a day, 3hr gaming £66/year
PC on 6 hours a day, 3hr gamig £96/year
PC on 10hrs a day, 3hr gaming £135/year
PC on 16hrs a day, 3hr gaming (this is probably where I fit) £194/year
PC on 24hrs a day, 3hr gaming £272/year
PC on 6 hours a day, 6hr gaming £133/year
PC on 10hrs a day, 6hr gaming £172/year
PC on 16hrs a day, 6hr gaming £231/year
PC on 24hrs a day, 6hr gaming £309/year
24hour gaming spree (lol): £1.45 each
So if you're a hardcore gamer (and let's face it with three 8800s you should be) and/or leave your PC on a lot of the time, you could be paying for one of the cards again every 18 months. That's steep, especially since they cost nearly twice as much as GTXs...
An interesting one I can't figure out though. Why does the second 8800 Ultra only use 184W, but the third one 249W? Where has the extra 65W come from, surely not the chipset?
@Bladerz: The freezer 7 pro is noisy at full speed, but no more so than any other normal heatsink. If you drop the fan speed in speedfan, you can get it quite enough. You also asked about HT technology. Since you'll be getting a dual core CPU, you really don't need hyper threading any more. It was only any use with P4s, and even then it wasn't that important.
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23. January 2008 @ 08:48 |
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LP, the link isn't working.
I got the numbers from Ray.
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23. January 2008 @ 08:59 |
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I think the tom's hardware site acts differently depending on which region you're from (even within the US) so you can't actually post links from it, you just have to tell people to visit their own version of the site, which sucks. I've no idea why they do it.
The reason the link doesn't work for me is because that article hasn't been published on my THG site yet, you can go to the page and it's there:
ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 - Fastest Yet!
January 23, 2008 00:01
AMD has taken back the crown for the most powerful graphics card. Read on to see how the company did it and how the HD 3879 X2 performs on a variety of benchmarks.
Click the link though, and you get a 404 because your server hasn't got the data yet... :(
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23. January 2008 @ 11:17 |
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Originally posted by GM:
@ZoSo,
You're not gonna tease us like that Rob fellow are you?? You know look at parts, kick the tires so to say, and NOT buy anything for months!!!!! Guess a man's gotta do what he can. lol. :P
Originally posted by ZoSo:
No i will actually buy it lol. Robs been thinking about a new build as long as I've know him lol.
Originally posted by cincyrob:
Hmmm..no donald trump here fella's i cant just spend a $1000 on anew toy when i want it. things in life happen and my puter right now isnt happening till i can get the spare cash. just trying to get the best info i can so when i can buy i will know what to get...
didnt know it was such a bother to ask for some sound advise....
F.I.D.O.
NOW Rob,
Come on, we was just razzin ya about NOT buying anything yet. ;P I don't know about Scott but I'm pretty sure everyone in here has had to wait here or there for something. :) I have 3 kiddies just like you do and something to pay for every month that wasn't "included" in the budget so I COMPLETELY understand what you're talking about. :D Remember it took me about 4 months to get my stuff together for my build. ;)
If you remember I blew off the CM-631 cause of frikkin tree limbs on my house. :-( Didn't need the case anyway but that would have been sweet with GREEN LED's in it!!! :)
@Morty,
Thanks for the link!! Great buy and I think ROB should buy that while he can!! hehehe. :P
...gm
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add...Rob I'm not sure how sound the advice we give is but it's advice none the less. hehehe. :P
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23. January 2008 @ 12:42 |
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When I first wanted to build my PC, it's original specs were a 3500+, 1GB of RAM and an X1800XT. By the time I finished, that changed to an X2 4200+, 2GB and an X1900XT instead...
By the way, thought you might appreciate this.
It's a little overdone, but hey... each to their own!
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