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5. February 2008 @ 11:53 |
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Cool that makes sense, however in real world terms for someone not into overclocking or games will I see much actual improvement between a 4-4-4-12 and a 5-5-5-12.
Also whats the easiest way to find out what my current (probably generic RAM) runs at?
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5. February 2008 @ 12:00 |
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the difference = £6 hehehehe. :P
NO really the DFI set is optimized for a certain DFI mobo. ;) Check the description.
The difference between C4 and C5 is basically tighter timings. The C4 can conceivably go FASTER than the C5 and therefore make your puter faster. ;) hth.... I'm not very good at explaining stuff.
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cas4 can be 10-15% faster than cas5 in memory throughput... but not always.
Might be noticable in the very latest most-demanding games, pro-sound recording or video editing.
Doubt you would notice a difference with web browsing, listening to music, office stuff.
taken from here.... linky
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5. February 2008 @ 12:17 |
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Originally posted by greensman:
@Pepp,
Or you could get these and feel really good about yourself. ;)
link to OCZ ram
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I have this ram. Only had to go into BIOS to change it to 4-4-4-15.
Oced to just under 900Mhz at 1.8v at 5-5-5-23(could get away with lower i think) when ocing my quad to 3.6Ghz.
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5. February 2008 @ 12:29 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by shaffaaf:
spend the extra £5, and get the cm-690. you can also get a side window panel for about £11-12
you can get a side window panle for the CM RC-690? if so where i want one badly if possible???
here we go
http://scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.a...=696881
thanks for the link, but thats not gonna do me any good here in the states...lol
plus that looks like someone just got out a rotozip cut a hole in the panel and slaped some plexy glass on it..lmao. i think i could do that myself...
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5. February 2008 @ 12:52 |
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ok lool. yeah, but it is the CM window. blame them :D
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5. February 2008 @ 13:12 |
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yo guys, anyone here is razor fan? cause i love their products, but don't know which Keyboard to get, they both so good.
the Razor Lycosa and the Razor Tarantula keyboard.
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5. February 2008 @ 13:17 |
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Originally posted by GTR35:
yo guys, anyone here is razor fan? cause i love their products, but don't know which Keyboard to get, they both so good.
the Razor Lycosa and the Razor Tarantula keyboard.
I would take a Saitek Eclipse 2 Keyboard out of personal taste.
NZXT Red LED Fans + Razer Diamondback 3G Red + Saitek Eclipse 2 Red + Dark Room = Awesome
But still not as awesome as this,
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5. February 2008 @ 13:18 |
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5. February 2008 @ 13:32 |
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@Greg LOL!
@Greg and Shaf
I love Razor Mice too, especially the Lachesis mice 4000dpi!
Why Razor keyboard not that good? and what do you think of the new Saitek Cyborg?
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5. February 2008 @ 13:36 |
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Okay this is where I am at the moment:-
CPU - £105.69 - Thats a Gimme :)
MOBO 1 - £69.31 - Current first choice
MOBO 2 - £70.01 - Think its a newer one of the first. or
MOBO 3 - £70.97 - Like the eSata on the rear IO.
RAM 1 - £35
RAM 2 - £41.11
RAM 3 - £34.02
CASE 1 - £46.94 - Does anyone know difference between the KKN1 and the KKA1 versions.
CASE 2 - £41
£256.94 with current first options.
Ive been thinking about heatsinks, as Im gonna build this myself anyway would it be worthwhile replacing the stock heatsink and if so can someone recommend a good (very) cheap one like THIS. (From ebuyer would be good then could get free delivery along with the ram :))
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5. February 2008 @ 13:48 |
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Lol he is indeed awesome. As for the red lights, it's cool. Red lighting isn't all that common these days and IMO is cooler than Blue.
GTR: I don't see why the Razer keyboard would be bad, but it's nothing special, and last time I checked it was expensive. The Eclipse II is a reasonable price and very well made, not to mention looks awesome.
Pepp: The E6750 is only £11 more: http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Component...productId=27972 Sure you can't stretch? lol
As for the Gigabyte boards, having DDR3 support for the future is useful but I wouldn't pay a lot for it. Fortunately it looks like it's only 70p. That seems worth the bother to me! The Asus board has 6 S-ATA ports if you use the eSATA, but the Gigabyte board has 6 you can use internally, and if you want external ones, the board comes with a free bracket to use two e-SATA ports, not to mention an external molex connector to power them too!
As for the RAM, You probably won't notice the impact of CAS5 over CAS4. If you want a top performing CPU though, £7 isn't too much to spend to get better stuff. I'd definitely go for the Corsair over the OCZ.
On the case front, the Dominator's better. Get it from Scan and you can grab the side panel too, if that's your thing...
The heatsink you've chosen is about the best inexpensive heatsink there is. I would only ever settle for that or a Thermalright Ultra-120A. Any equivalent Zalmans are more expensive than both and collect dust like nobody's business. I've had one, I know!
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5. February 2008 @ 13:52 |
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The Gigabyte mobos are different models. The P35 is a Ver 1 with a parallel port in the rear (Ver 2 has extra USB slots in place of the parallel port). The P35C is a Ver 2 model with the extra USB slots BUT that mobo also allows 4 sticks of DDR2 RAm or 2 sticks of DDR3 Ram. I'm not a big fan but some of the guys have one here and like them. ;)
Don't know anything about the ASUS. Hopefully someone else will chime in. ;)
I still like the OCZ ram I linked you too. (i think it's your first choice)
On the cases, either one will do. Choose the one you like, don't let us make up your mind. I have the CM-690, it has it's pros and cons. :D
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little sammy beat me to it.....lol
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5. February 2008 @ 14:11 |
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Originally posted by Pepp77:
Okay this is where I am at the moment:-
CPU - £105.69 - Thats a Gimme :) get the E6750 for extra £11 as sam says
MOBO 3 - £70.97 - Like the eSata on the rear IO.
RAM 3 - £34.02
CASE 1 - £46.94 - Does anyone know difference between the KKN1 and the KKA1 versions.
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5. February 2008 @ 15:06 |
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Right Decision made thanks for the input guys, Im going to go with the following:-
e6750 (but will use Stock Cooler to save the extra).
CM-690 - Have finally finished reviews of the others I was interested in and this has the nicest layout and features.
Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R - now I know it comes with an eSata plate.
And the OCZ Platiunum Ram
And only £25 over budget. Not too bad I spose - and hopefully will be able to sell off my old comp for about £100 (would need only a PSU to work).
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5. February 2008 @ 15:09 |
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Originally posted by Pepp77:
Right Decision made thanks for the input guys, Im going to go with the following:-
e6750 (but will use Stock Cooler to save the extra).
CM-690 - Have finally finished reviews of the others I was interested in and this has the nicest layout and features.
Gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R - now I know it comes with an eSata plate.
And the OCZ Platiunum Ram
And only £25 over budget. Not too bad I spose - and hopefully will be able to sell off my old comp for about £100 (would need only a PSU to work).
what are you doing for gfx and PSU
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5. February 2008 @ 15:17 |
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Thats a sound investment Pepp. If anyone needs a 3870 cheap,
http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/
Scroll down for powercolor 3870 for £138
Oh and can anyone recommend any good speakers?
I also heard something wacky on YouTube. A guy put in one of those gaming soundcards and he said the fps in his games increased.....wacko?
He also had dual 8800GTX's and was getting about 117fps in Canyon Flight, he paid about £500 for that graphics power(BFG cards)
I pay £150 for 70fps. Not bad.
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5. February 2008 @ 15:25 |
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@shaffaaf
The rest of the build will include the following:-
Corsair HX520 PSU - about 1 month old (old PSU dying damaged my comp Ive tested the ram, the HDs and everytime I test the CPU it crashes so I think it got damaged when the PSU failed. But then it was a cheap build allround - it was my first computer in about 5 years and i was still under the impression higher Ghz was better so went for a Pentium D at 2x3Ghz computer already built off ebay (wont make that mistake again LOL)).
1 x 250GB SATAII Maxtor HDD
1 x 500GB SATAII WD HDD
1 x 500GB USB Maxtor External HDD
1 x 500GB eSata Seagate External HDD
2 x Optiarc 5170A DVD Rewriters
and a lovely Inno3D 8500GT 512mb GPU - came with the last computer but that MOBO has onboard so Ill keep this and then upgrade it in April (my birthday treat to myself) to one more suited to high Def films (one with an HDMI port if anyone knows of one would be great).
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5. February 2008 @ 16:34 |
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You guys probably don't care but I got Mac OSX Leopard and Windows XP running and Dual booting properly. Man that was such a headache. Hopefully this will be a good reselling point as I've put my PC up for sale.
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5. February 2008 @ 17:04 |
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Originally posted by Pepp77:
@shaffaaf
The rest of the build will include the following:-
Corsair HX520 PSU - about 1 month old (old PSU dying damaged my comp Ive tested the ram, the HDs and everytime I test the CPU it crashes so I think it got damaged when the PSU failed. But then it was a cheap build allround - it was my first computer in about 5 years and i was still under the impression higher Ghz was better so went for a Pentium D at 2x3Ghz computer already built off ebay (wont make that mistake again LOL)).
1 x 250GB SATAII Maxtor HDD
1 x 500GB SATAII WD HDD
1 x 500GB USB Maxtor External HDD
1 x 500GB eSata Seagate External HDD
2 x Optiarc 5170A DVD Rewriters
and a lovely Inno3D 8500GT 512mb GPU - came with the last computer but that MOBO has onboard so Ill keep this and then upgrade it in April (my birthday treat to myself) to one more suited to high Def films (one with an HDMI port if anyone knows of one would be great).
nice PSU. very nice indead. and that willl be a very good build aswell (bar the 8500 :P)
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5. February 2008 @ 17:06 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
You guys probably don't care but I got Mac OSX Leopard and Windows XP running and Dual booting properly. Man that was such a headache. Hopefully this will be a good reselling point as I've put my PC up for sale.
ofcourse we dont care. its just you waffling on again, with your money making scams :P :D
how much did you buy it all for, and what u want to sell it for?
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5. February 2008 @ 17:43 |
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Greg: Actually that's not a rouse, it's fact. Getting a PCI card to process sound can significantly improve your CPU's performance in games. If your frame rate is being limited by your CPU, not your graphics card, you can see up to a 25% performance boost by using an X-Fi card. Othe than that though, they're not worth bothering with. With a decent Core 2 Duo, you really don't need an X-Fi, an Audigy SE will do.
As for speakers, Logitech Z-5300s maybe? Depends what your budget is. The 5500s are great, but quite expensive (even though they're still good value for money despite this)
Good choice on the PSU Pepp, but man, get rid of that awful graphics card!
Interestingly enough, onboard 6150SE graphics can render almost all HD films fine in Linux. It's only waffy windows drivers and codecs that see us buying expensive gear for HD material. A 2400 Pro would do fine under normal circumstances...
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5. February 2008 @ 17:50 |
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Interesting 3870 i have. I tried ocing with RivaTuner and it loves my 3870!
It made my ATI overdrive put my stock setting to 862Mhz and Frequency was in the 1300.
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5. February 2008 @ 17:52 |
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I think I managed 1280 on my memory with overdrive on one occasion...
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5. February 2008 @ 17:56 |
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