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10. March 2008 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Rob: A little funny thing, when I first had my PC electrical safety tested so I could take it to LANs, it only just passed with a high reading on current-to-earth, which was odd, and when I took it back home after the event it stopped working altogether. Eventually I found out it was the cable, and in testing it, it made a loud crackle noise whenever it was connected to power (regardless of what was at the other end). Turns out when I took the plug apart, the live wire had almost completely frayed to nothing! Suffice to say, a new cable and a retest later, it passed with flying colours! That isn't the only cable that came with that Hiper PSu that was duff either, a molex splitter they gave me fried two of my hard drives. Lesson to be learnt, if you have a Hiper PSU, replace as many cables as you can!
if you have a hiper replace the whole PSU asap. after they stopped using CWT, and started using a PSU maker that clearly makes toilet products (hiper psus are sh!t), i wouldnt touch them with a 100 meter pole.
and when your mains wire is on the mains, and turned on, and then you plug it into the psu, it should make a crackle. that shows it is a working cable. but when already connected, then it shouldnt crackle.
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10. March 2008 @ 14:04 |
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I dont think that g-byte is SLI...need mobo to be sli so I can use my Vid. cards
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10. March 2008 @ 14:25 |
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cincyrob,
The main thing with all the X38 motherboards is the chipset just isn't mature enough. Intel discovered some minor glitches with the X38 chipset and halted shipping the chips for a while. Now the bios revisions have to catch up. I would give it 3-6 months before I would invest in the X38. It's not the MB manufacturers fault that Intel kept everyone in the dark. No reports yet as to what the problem actually was that caused Intel to stop shipping the chipsets in the first place.
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Russ
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10. March 2008 @ 14:29 |
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Originally posted by herrick:
I dont think that g-byte is SLI...need mobo to be sli so I can use my Vid. cards
Well poop I forgot that. lol. How could I???
link to the EGG for SLi mobos that are worthy.... some are out of stock unfortunately.....
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10. March 2008 @ 14:51 |
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Sam, where would have sold the stock heatsink? They go for 10 bucks on ebay. At least I DID save money. 20 bucks isn't chump change, it all adds up.
Do you guys think I should just get another batch of Crucial Ballistic 800mhz chips or this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227231
My last batch wouldn't clock to 1066mhz so I was kinda disappointed.
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10. March 2008 @ 14:52 |
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Shaff: Didn't know they ever used CWT. Mine's a model from June 06, what's that likely to be? Also, said cable was a) not connected to anything at all, and b) made the noise continuously.
Herrick: SLI unfortunately means nvidia chipset, and nvidia chipset means not as good as Intel chipset. You'll have to accept a sacrifice on some levels for that.
Abuzar: Despite the name, I wouldn't rate OCZ memory for huge overclocks. I'd actually buy PC8500 memory if you want to guarantee it'll run at that speed... Memory's so cheap now, there's no excuse.
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10. March 2008 @ 15:11 |
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Been fiddling with my airflow in my new build and have now managed to get the following idle temps:-
New Idle Temps
Compared to:-
Old Idle Temp
Now even under full load my Motherboard temp doesnt get any hotter than the old Idle temp, and the cores top out at about 58c each.
All this was achieved by taking the side intake fan off of the header and onto the PSU (I dont think it is a PWM fan and it was getting slower at 100% speed every time I rebooted - was down to only 285RPM at 100% speed under speedfan when I decided to move it) - it now runs at a constant 1100-1200RPM which meant that I could turn the PSU fan down from 1800-2500RPM to 1100-1700RPM (depending on load) thus reducing its noise and Ive also found that if this is too fast it impedes the motherboard temp, but doesnt really drop the CPU temp much. However the side fan does make a bit of noise (not a lot granted but it is the noisiest thing now) and Im thinking of getting one of these to replace it:-
Hiper fan
Unless of course someone can recommend a better quiet 120mm or 140mm fan from the same site (I have other things to buy from there and will get free postage).
Good news Rob (fingers crossed) - my last PSU was crackling before it died on me so be careful ;)
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10. March 2008 @ 15:16 |
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im pretty sure they stopped using CWT in 2k5.
and from what i ahev seen, OCZ clock very nicley, nothign compared to balistix (but then you pay a premium for them, as OCZ are dirt cheap, esp for decent OCers)
so long as you are getting 800MHz mem and not pushing ur FBS to over 450 they will do fine, esp for the price.
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10. March 2008 @ 15:43 |
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sammorris
What would you go with? how much better is the intel chipset and will I know the differance?
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10. March 2008 @ 16:00 |
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Nice idle temps Pepp, though the cores seem to be a bit on the warm side (for idle anyway, those'd be great temps for load!)
The Hiper fans are alright, but rather mediocre in the face of Scythes. Never underestimate the value of a good fan.
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductIn...roductID=533395
Herrick: I'm very biased because both of the two motherboards I've had were nvidia chipsets, and both died within a year. It's not just that though, from what I've seen the Intel chipsets tend to get the better overclocks as well.
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10. March 2008 @ 16:10 |
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Cheers Sam - Ive been reading up around the web and supposedly Intel have said theres an issue with the core temps in the e8xxx chips, might be something to do with the Tjunction being reported as 105c I dont know. Also The CPU temp is the one reported in BIOS and is nice and low :) - Especially as my room is 24c :)
As for the fan if stats dont lie the hiper is better.
Hiper - 20dB - 59.12CFM
Scythe - 20.1dB - 49.00CFM
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10. March 2008 @ 16:28 |
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The stats do lie, trust me. Hiper are much like Thermaltake in that they way overhype their fans. The Scythe is unquestionably the better option.
Shaff: The new Hiper Type-R MK IIs are ChannelWells. If their fan controller wasn't stupid they'd be worth having - they get uber hot under load and are quiet, which seems mad since they have one of the most powerful fans ever made in them... They put the Silverstone FM121s to shame, both in noise and in airflow!
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10. March 2008 @ 17:15 |
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abuzar1,
Just keep in mind that the Ballistix outsell the Reapers by about 3 or 4 to 1. There has to be some reason as their the same price! The Reapers are also a bit on the tall side too! I would stick with the Crucials! They are a known Quantity to you!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. March 2008 @ 18:30 |
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Good point Russ on the height of the RAM. ;)
boozer I still feel that if you go with the "name" brand stuff you can't go wrong. You know as well as the rest of us that 1066 is gonna get you farther on your OC than 800. Just spend the extra $20 or so and do it!! Ask Russ (ross...lol) about that...
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10. March 2008 @ 19:06 |
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Ahh, but it's a Quad core. I'll be lucky to hit 3.6Ghz with my kind of cooling. That's only 400FSB, so I don't need memory that fast.
I'm just worried about the rebate since I've ordered three of those sets in the past three months.
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10. March 2008 @ 19:19 |
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abuzar1,
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Ahh, but it's a Quad core. I'll be lucky to hit 3.6Ghz with my kind of cooling. That's only 400FSB, so I don't need memory that fast.
True enough but for the next to nothing cost difference I would try and do a little future proofing by getting the faster Ram. Decide to sell that Quad and get an E8400 or E8500 and you could need more memory speed capability. For the money I would buy the 1066. Then you can run it at pretty much any speed you want!
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Russ
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10. March 2008 @ 19:26 |
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Yeah except I would never get a dual core again. No re-sale value around here :) People don't care whether it performs better or not, they just see bigger=better. I might get 4GB of RAM and see if I can sell this computer.
So for now I guess it's Crucial Again. This time I'm gonna be running tighter timings instead of high speed, so at least it's a bit different.
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10. March 2008 @ 19:50 |
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Right now in this country, if I were selling systems I'd still be putting E6750s in them. Cheap, proven tech, raving overclockers...
I'm sure you could get more out of the 8000s but they're still rare round here, and the degradation from voltage is very worrying.
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10. March 2008 @ 20:01 |
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Sam, most people see QUAD and they think DOUBLE THE PERFORMANCE!!!
They don't think, oh most apps don't support quad so I wont really need it. Of course it's MY job to convince THEM that they NEED a quad core. It's not my fault they don't do their research.
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10. March 2008 @ 20:03 |
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People will also, however, notice the markedly different price tag if you use a dual core. Over here they will anyway, £100 is a substantial difference.
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10. March 2008 @ 20:16 |
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It's only 30 bucks more.
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10. March 2008 @ 20:18 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
People will also, however, notice the markedly different price tag if you use a dual core. Over here they will anyway, £100 is a substantial difference.
£100 difference?? Geez there's only $100 here (@ £50). Why is stuff so expensive in the country with the "strongest" currency? Makes little sense to me. ;)
boozer you should convince folks to use C2D's, it'll save you money and potentially make you more in the end. :D
...gm
Remember I have both systems (Quad and C2D) and I'll say that the C2D is quicker on "normal" apps. I haven't tested DVD RB Pro yet but it'll happen soon enough..... :P
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10. March 2008 @ 20:30 |
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Gm, it's peoples ingrained mentality, I can't change that.
When did you get a Quad? I'm so excited for mine! lol
Tell me this, can I lap my northbridge heatsink too?
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10. March 2008 @ 21:49 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
When did you get a Quad? I'm so excited for mine! lol
Tell me this, can I lap my northbridge heatsink too?
It's a short story but I got one a couple of weeks ago right before the CompUSA closed down here. ;)
I don't see why you couldn't lap your NB!! You can always buy an Enzotech or TR!! :D
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10. March 2008 @ 22:19 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
For the money I would buy the 1066. Then you can run it at pretty much any speed you want!
Best Regards,
Russ
from my point of view im not too sold on my crucial 1066 so far. i cant even get it to run @1000 let alone it's rated speed, but im thinking my OC problems have been this power cord for my PSU. orthos has run all day at 3.6ghz. no errors. i just shut it down and restarted it twice in 20 mins no problem. ope i didnt get that power cord yet..lol
i dont know if i should try and take my mem multi up to 2.5 which would give me the 1000 on my mem. the next step would be 3.0 and that would put my mem at 1200. thats a little to high over the rated 1066..wish the bios would have a 2.75 multi
what if i changed my CPU multi to say 8x then put the freq to 450. still a 3.6ghz but the mem at2.4 multi would be 1080. just a hair over 1066...is this possible? would i need to up the mem volts if it can be done?
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