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10. July 2008 @ 14:37 |
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LOCO,
if you want loud, go with some logitec Z-5500's. if you want quality (they go loud too) go with some klipsch promedia ultra 5.1's. they don't make em anymore so you'll have to buy on ebay. I got mine for $300 including shipping (I got very lucky) a brand new set still in the box went for $565 less shipping which was $50.
I haven't even turned on my david hafler's (home stereo) since I got my klipsch promedia ultra 5.1's.
edit for incorrect model # for logitecs
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10. July 2008 @ 14:41 |
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Even at very high volumes, the sound quality of the Z-5500s is exceptional, far in excess of anything I've ever heard. I haven't heard Klipsch speakers for myself, but I honestly can't think much of how they could improve on the 5500s... Either set will certainly do you well.
Amazon have a good deal in the US on the 5500s at the moment... That's less than their RRP in pounds... :O
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-THX-Certi...7YHNE6YYDWRTN6S
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10. July 2008 @ 14:45 |
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W/E, I only listen to Music LIVE. I'm just that amazing.
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10. July 2008 @ 14:49 |
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Butbut, music in video games! Gotcha! lol
Dear me, the PC building thread and we're on about speakers... :P
Sorry for misleading you Mort, there have been several models in the 5000 series, the 5500s are just the latest. The 5450s are a good semi-wireless alternative.
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10. July 2008 @ 14:52 |
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this is just from my personal experiences. don't go with the klipsch promedia 5.1's even though they sound good. spend the extra cash and go with the klipsch promedia ULTRA 5.1's. I've had both and the ultra's have much improved bass response and high end.
sorry sam. the ultra's won't work over seas due to them being only available in 110-120 volt. no 220-240 volt versions.
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10. July 2008 @ 14:56 |
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My speakers (Logitech Z-5500) have 5:1 surround 500 watts RMS of power and produce up to 112db sound pressure levels. They're not perfect but quite good in regards to fidelity. I would never use them to mix down a recording but for computer speakers they're awesome. I can shake the room and rattle the windows across the entire house to my wife's misfortune. They have built in hardware decoders (Dolby Digital, DTS, DTS 96/24, and PCM 96/24) which makes them great for DVD playback. I just couldn't get used to my P5W DH deluxe built in audio which is among the best I've heard so I invested in Creative X-Fi Xtremegamer Fatality pro series and have not regretted it.
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10. July 2008 @ 14:57 |
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Shame though that is, I've no intention of replacing the 5500s any time soon unless anything goes wrong, couldn't afford it, and they're good enough for me! :)
It sounds to me though like the 5500s are a lot like the normal Promedia 5.1s not the Ultras, the bass drops off quite sharply below about 38Hz or so, and the top end is a little shallow above 12KHz or so. It would be nice to be a little more rounded, but for the price I shan't argue, it has miles better low end than any of the 'cheap sub' speakers I've had before, and the top end only really becomes unbalanced at unearthly volume levels - not living in a detached house I can't really get away with those at any time of day!
Wow, I didn't realise we used the same speakers Soph... According to Tom's Hardware they can reach 120dB... whatever, anything above 100 is enough in my tiny little room!
Have you had any luck getting Optical sound with them in 5.1 mode, DTS and the like? if you have then I may just upgrade to a proper sound card, as that's the one thing I can't figure out with either my X38-DS4's onboard sound or the USB SoundBlaster 24-bit...
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10. July 2008 @ 15:03 |
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ya, I know but I meant the 5500's as that's what all the reviews compare the ultra's to. don't take this wrong but every review I have read has the ultra's topping the Z-5500's overall and especially in quality of sound reproduction. the 5500's win out in overall loudness and boomy bass though. the bass is not as tight as the ultra's and they don't have as crisp and clean of high end since they're satallytes don't have a tweeter.
I did a lot of research and read a lot of comparisons before I opted for klipsch.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:08 |
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Indeed, they're probably a better designed product as well, free from the electrical interference etc. Twice the price of the logitechs now though, seemingly, even when they were cheap.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:12 |
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the bass drops off quite sharply below about 38Hz
I hear a lot of discussions about bass frequencies and drop offs. To reproduce a 38Hz wave would require a reasonable large room or it simply can't be reproduced. a 38 hz sound wave requires 28.8 feet to complete a single cycle and it has to do that 38 times in a second to be 38 Hz. Most of the bass that people hear in rooms is not the fundamental wave but harmonics.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:13 |
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like I told LOCO, there is nothing wrong with the Z-5500's and for overall loudness, go with them. they are far better than most and not that expensive, besides they're still being made. the klipsch promedia 5.1's and ultra 5.1's aren't. you gotta buy them on ebay.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:15 |
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I have read has the ultra's topping the Z-5500's overall
And I have read the opposite although I tend to favor the Klipch for perhaps for overall quality, but the Logitech's blow them out the door for value and most people can't discriminate well enough to know the difference. In fact most reviews of either speakers that I've read were done by people with no background in sound reproduction whatsoever.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:15 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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the bass drops off quite sharply below about 38Hz
I hear a lot of discussions about bass frequencies and drop offs. To reproduce a 38Hz wave would require a reasonable large room or it simply can't be reproduced. a 38 hz sound wave requires 28.8 feet to complete a single cycle and it has to do that 38 times in a second to be 38 Hz. Most of the bass that people hear in rooms is not the fundamental wave but harmonics.
who cares about hearing it. I want to feel it :)
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10. July 2008 @ 15:19 |
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Hehe, that ground shaking low bass that sends shivers down your spine. Trouble is, most of the time there are higher notes to accompany that, and those are often very loud by this point...
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10. July 2008 @ 15:19 |
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who cares about hearing it. I want to feel it
Psycho acoustics doesn't require clarity, and if that's what you're looking for then the logitech's produce more or as much bass.
edited for missing words. LOL
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10. July 2008 @ 15:20 |
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but the Logitech's blow them out the door for value
I can't argue there. I got very lucky to get my ultra's for $300 including shipping (mint condition in original box). I couldn't justify spending $500 or more.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:23 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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who cares about hearing it. I want to feel it
Psycho acoustics does require clarity, and if that's what you're looking for the logitech's produce more bass.
Soph,
I was joking. did you see the :)?
agreed the 5500's produce more bass but it is not as tight and a little muddy.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:29 |
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What you have to bear in mind Rick is that Peltiers produce heat in order to move other heat around.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:29 |
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Mort81.,.Does the Sony Nec Optiarc drive do bitsetting
according to GM they do. that was a must for me. he supossedly already has the one I bought from him flashed with the best bitsetting/modified f/w.
Soph will have to answer about the peltier. I really don't know.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
What you have to bear in mind Rick is that Peltiers produce heat in order to move other heat around.
very true. you have to have someplace for the heat to exit away from where you are trying to cool. just like with any std a/c unit.
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10. July 2008 @ 15:56 |
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I was joking. did you see the :)?
agreed the 5500's produce more bass but it is not as tight and a little muddy.
LOL. No I was getting ready to make a drugstore run and was typing at the same time. True but the Logitech's have been cited for better midrange response. I actually turn my bass down so no debate there. I considered purchasing Klipch at the beginning but the price was to high for me to justify any possible benefits. I paid $249 for them when the best price on the klipch were about $480.
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very true. you have to have someplace for the heat to exit away from where you are trying to cool. just like with any std a/c unit.
All that heats got to go somewhere. The best case scenario is to mount it in the front of your cases sealing the heat side down and adding a radiator to the cool side up with the front intake blowing through it.
Forgot to mention that you will have to cut a hole in the bottom of your case for venting.
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I've read that they do produce a lot of heat, but if its dispersed in the case, the fans should take care of that. Basically my question being are these better than Reg heatsink and fans for the CPU. I've also noticed these need 12Volts and a fair amount of AMPS.
This is my case decision:COOLER MASTER Mystique RC-632S-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid, 1 x 120mm front fan,1 x 120mm rear fan,Side Air duct
Corsair TX 650W ATX12V Power Supply
GIGABYTE GA-X48-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Yorkfield
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
OCZ Platinum Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000
Now I'm probably going to have a Video card with fan and heatsink in or about the $100.00 range, as its only for Movies and Surfing, 2 DVDRWs, eventually 4 HDD (Seagate 500Gig)
Now is this PSU got enough beef to run one of those fancy Coolers, or is it even needed, on this system (NO OVERCLOCKING, Just as it comes outta the box)Stock.
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10. July 2008 @ 16:44 |
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In my humble opinion, Peltiers are never needed to cool components - standard heatsink/fan combos will always get the job done, especially if you're not overclocking.
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