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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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24. July 2007 @ 10:46 |
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I fogot if it said pci or pcie, so does that mean that you can plug a video card into a pci slot?
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24. July 2007 @ 10:52 |
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I fogot if it said pci or pcie, so does that mean that you can plug a video card into a pci slot?
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24. July 2007 @ 10:53 |
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I fogot if it said pci or pcie, so does that mean that you can plug a video card into a pci slot?
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24. July 2007 @ 10:55 |
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Wow tripple post, damn I hate this thing.(Blackberry)
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24. July 2007 @ 11:07 |
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AGP boards usually only have that and PCI, rarely PCI express too. You can plug video cards into PCI slots, but only ones made for PCI. These are very slow, the most recent one I can remember is an FX5200.
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24. July 2007 @ 11:12 |
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Wow tripple post, damn I hate this thing.(Blackberry)
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24. July 2007 @ 11:16 |
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Quintuple post! Waymon's going for a record!
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24. July 2007 @ 14:21 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The fan's probably right. 24dB should be barely audible with no other components in your case running, I doubt it. What's the size and speed of the fan? I can probably give you how loud it actually is, based on those figures, fans don't actually differ that much!
It should be a lot less noisy, this fan if making the most noise of anything in the whole case.
Even more than the previous cheaper fan of the same size that was in there orignally.
The noise is this high-pitch grinding noise (while it's not hitting anything which makes it weird), similar to an ODD reading.
It's this one:
http://arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=108&data=2&disc=
Which shouldn't make much noise at all since it doesn't have to spin as fast to give a good airflow.
Then I have 2 of these: http://arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=109&data=2&disc=
Which are really quiet, of course the patented rubber suspension probably helps a lot.
But I can put my ear against it and not be bothered, only pleased by the wind.
All these make is windy noises.
But the 120mm, when I disconnect it, it's just such a relief.
I can get another one without a problem together with the card, so I'll see if that one also does it.
This noise would be amongst the worst of fans, while they have a lot of positive reviews on this.
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24. July 2007 @ 14:24 |
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If the only problem is a 120mm fan, replace it with one that's slower. I can run my fans at 500rpm and do fine!
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24. July 2007 @ 14:32 |
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Originally posted by Waymon3X6:
Oh yea, dinc. The option in your BIOS that says PCI selected and then agp, in my Bios I've got agp and the pci. So it looks like this:
Agp/pci
Maybe that's the problem? I don't really see how an agp mobo could be compatable with a pci-e card, so I'm not really sure what that option is for... But I would change it to agp/pci instead of what you have.
At what temps does your card get to when running 3dmark06? I've had my computer crash once when running withour my extra big fan running on it. I've even had something that resembled the bsod when it crashed.
My card is usually at 39c-41c idle and can get to 58c when playing bf2.
However, when I run the "show 3d view option" in ati tool, the temp has gotten to as high as 69c (that's when I just click the abort butten.)
Do you know why this is? Why does ati tool stress the card more than bf2?
@dinc, when you run the "show 3d view" thing, what is your fps average? Mine is around 560-570 and the highest (not average) it has gotten it to 620.
I also hear that other people get to as high as 80c when their system shuts off, so why does mine shut off at around 72? How do these people have that extra "headroom"
Dinc, I would monitor the temps while running the "show 3d view" option in ati tool and post back and tell us what it says. The temps shouldn't get over 69c.
Also tell me the fps average you get, because if you are getting low frames than me (560-570) then their is something wrong with the card, for sure.
Ahm, I think I could either choose PCI or AGP, not in some order I thought, but I forgot.
And I'm guessing my temperature gets to 70-80 when running the 3DMark06 Demo, since it will crash during the Demonstration.
I can't see Everest's temperature-blocks in the tray because the Demo is full-screen.
Maybe the ATi-tool stress it more because of heavier settings on purpose.
And maybe that is to test if the card can take it, or to see the results on the heaviest load possible or something.
I can't get ATi Tool btw, because every time I downloaded it, AVG will say it contains or is a Trojan, and I don't trust it.
But, if you get framerates down to, what was the minimum, 20-40?
I mean in BF2, that's also not right with this card, unless it's at the most hectic moments and only for a second or something.
If it's like 50/60+ frames average, I guess that's good, if not it should be more(?).
And, I knew it was PCI and not PCIe.
First there was PCI, also for GPUs, then there was AGP which actually means Accelerated Graphics Port.
So they needed a faster interface so they accelerated one somehow.
And now there is PCIexpress then, the latest GPU-interface obviously.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. July 2007 @ 15:09
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24. July 2007 @ 14:35 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
If the only problem is a 120mm fan, replace it with one that's slower. I can run my fans at 500rpm and do fine!
Hm, yeah I would get it a controller to slow it down permanently.
But it's really hard to find a 4-pin PWM controller.
Besides that, this noise is just weird seriously, I'll see what another one does and if still, I'll get the "Light" version or something:
http://arctic-cooling.com/fans2.php?idx=103&data=2&disc=
It goes at 500RPM (from the other one 1500RPM) less, but it's aparently only 2db less, but 22db should also be good right?
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24. July 2007 @ 14:38 |
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PCI only I'm afraid, not PCIe or AGP, just PCI.
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24. July 2007 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
PCI only I'm afraid, not PCIe or AGP, just PCI.
Huw, what do you mean?
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25. July 2007 @ 12:28 |
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Dinc, can you try running a game and tell me whatfps you are getting?
Like bf2, everything on high and 1024/768.
Play a map like sharq online, or if you can't do that then play something like dalian plant singleplayer, and tell me about what the average fps you get, and ill tell you mine.
If you get a lot lower than me, than there is something definetly wrong with your card.
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25. July 2007 @ 12:30 |
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I can tell you guys now, if BF2 doesn't run perfectly at 1024x768 max detail no matter what you throw at it, that card's underperforming.
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25. July 2007 @ 13:21 |
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Originally posted by Waymon3X6:
Dinc, can you try running a game and tell me whatfps you are getting?
Like bf2, everything on high and 1024/768.
Play a map like sharq online, or if you can't do that then play something like dalian plant singleplayer, and tell me about what the average fps you get, and ill tell you mine.
If you get a lot lower than me, than there is something definetly wrong with your card.
But, even though I think mine performs worse than yours, I think your lowest framerates aren't good with higher BF2-settings.
I mean, seriously, like Sam said, it should be performing better.
I don't quite remember my performances, but I've only tested it on Gulf Of Oman single-player.
The frames were about... what, 40-50 max, down to 20 sometimes, something like that.
And then BF2 is lighter than BF2142 I have noticed long ago.
The only difference is that with an older card I'd still god for 2142, because it just runs smoother despite the lower framerates.
And with that I mean, BF2 just has a lot more stutters for some reason, it's really annoying.
The first time in like 2005 or beginning '06 or something, when I just tried out the Demo, it would stutter like hell.
When I tried the 2142-Demo, it would perform the same, only smoother.
They must have optimized something in the engine the games share.
That's btw also something that I have less now, stutters... the framerates perform the same as my 6800XT. :S
Except, some higher settings have been accepted by the card.
So, I'll try Sharqi or else Daqing in Single-Player and see what it does on High settings.
I was going to say bad, but I think it will rather turn off the computer again...
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. July 2007 @ 13:22
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25. July 2007 @ 14:32 |
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I've just played Sharqi, everything on Medium, only Geometry and Textures on High, AA 4x and 1024x768.
When you get that starting-screen, you know before the match starts, like Sharqi shows the TV-Station, I can actually already see how it performs and also just looking at the movement of the cursor.
On that "starting-screen" I see it runs around 70fps.
When I'm on the construction site on the roof of the building with the flag, everywhere I look it goes to around 30 to around 40, moments up to 50 especially facing the TV-Station.
Now I'll try some other maps and then with everything at High as you requested, but I'm afraid it will just shut down again.
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But I might have found something important though:
You know how your screen refreshes slowly when there are no drivers installed?
I mean, more like when you scroll internet- or Explorer-pages, things like that.
Kind of like you see a "line" of the refreshing actually going over the page instead of fluently moving the page.
Well, I have BF2 tabbed out right now, the game is unloaded and in the menus though.
But I have the scrolling acting the same as working without drivers.
Except it only acts like that when scrolling on the internet and with pictures in ACDSee, and not in Explorer.
Oh, and also it's always in 85hertz instead of lower without drivers.
So I think that the card isn't working right when it switches to the 3D-Mode, that something in that part of the card is wrong or something.
It's really weird...
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25. July 2007 @ 15:36 |
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So, everything on High this time, I didn't know if you also meant the AF and AA on highest (I did AA 4x to start with though), but I did it.
On Gulf Of Oman to start with.
Very surprisingly it didn't shut down the computer, and when I tabbed out the temperature was somewhere in the 50s I think all the time.
Only the framerate was still that old 30-40s all the time, sometimes a couple of 10s higher but it usually wouldn't go under 20.
So somewhere in the 20s lowest, only at 1 intense moment when everybody was at the last flag at the Construction Site, I saw it even drop down to 16 for a split second.
And that was even with just 16 players, Single Player Mode which is heavier on the CPU though, but still, the card has to render the visual part.
I'll try some more things, I could even try a more player map I think now.
A while I ago I downloaded those custom maps, so maybe I could try 64 players with bots :S .
Oh yeah, something else I wanted to say:
It feels like this card is like being "capped".
You know how they say some games have a framerate-cap or something, that it only goes up to so many frames for a specific game on purpose.
Well, it's like this card just doesn't go higher with the frames but still it makes no difference in framerate between Medium and High settings.
Cause it still went smooth, not much of stuttering, just like very tiny ones or a bit laggy/jerky.
A lil but, just a lil' bit. :P
And it WILL go higher with simpler things though, so it's just weird...
On the other side, Need For Speed Underground 2 works worse on this card.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT!
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26. July 2007 @ 00:03 |
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well need for speed games (or at least the more recent ones) are coded really badly so that doesn't surprise me. Can you turn the resolution up to 1280x1024? If so, does it run acceptably then? If it does, it's not been your Graphics card all along, it'll be something else.
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26. July 2007 @ 00:10 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
well need for speed games (or at least the more recent ones) are coded really badly so that doesn't surprise me. Can you turn the resolution up to 1280x1024? If so, does it run acceptably then? If it does, it's not been your Graphics card all along, it'll be something else.
Also this Need For Speed from like 2004?
The newer ones were pretty different, Most Wanted and Carbon.
I'm pretty sure it's the card, I ran it with the 6800XT on the same settings (full) without a problem, around 30 fps at all times.
With this card it's even under that, while much heavier games like we mentioned a lot before perform the same or even better.
Why would it run better on a higher resolution btw?
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26. July 2007 @ 00:12 |
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it wouldn't, but if the GPU was at fault, it'd run worse. If it ran the same, the GPU probably isn't at fault.
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26. July 2007 @ 06:14 |
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Well dinc, I think you are now getting about the same frames as me in bf2.
If you're using fraps, then bf2 has a cap at 100fps, my game won't go over that, even at the loading screen.
Do you still have the drivers from the disk? Maybe try downloading the new ones, but uninstall the old ones via ad or remove programs. Then just reboot and install the newest.
I had a relativly big frame rate change from the drivers.
This is a dumb question but did you uninstall the nvidia drivers before you put the card in?
Also I noticed on the x1950 that there is a 4 pin molex connecter inbetween the card and the tec fan that you need to pull out and connect. It is kinda hidden, but the instructions say you need to plug that in or the card won't work right.
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26. July 2007 @ 06:18 |
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Yes,do plug that in or it definitely won't run right!
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26. July 2007 @ 07:50 |
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Originally posted by Waymon3X6:
Well dinc, I think you are now getting about the same frames as me in bf2.
If you're using fraps, then bf2 has a cap at 100fps, my game won't go over that, even at the loading screen.
Do you still have the drivers from the disk? Maybe try downloading the new ones, but uninstall the old ones via ad or remove programs. Then just reboot and install the newest.
I had a relativly big frame rate change from the drivers.
This is a dumb question but did you uninstall the nvidia drivers before you put the card in?
Also I noticed on the x1950 that there is a 4 pin molex connecter inbetween the card and the tec fan that you need to pull out and connect. It is kinda hidden, but the instructions say you need to plug that in or the card won't work right.
Yeah, I tried 3 different sets of drivers I believe.
One I first downloaded before I had the card, which is 1 version before the current one.
Which was I believe 7.6 and the current version would be 7.7.
In between those I tried the disc-version, but it all didn't make much of a difference.
There are also newer drivers from recently on the GeCube-website, I don't know how those would work since they would probably get the complaints and hopefully try to fix it.
Didn't try those...
And I didn't use Fraps since Battlefield has it's own fps-counter.
If you don't know that or how to get it do this:
Press 'End', which will open the console, then type 'renderer.drawfps 1' and press 'Enter', which will make the counter appear, then 'End' again to close the console.
This counter, as I told before, will also show the time between frames.
I guess you could kind of see the stress on the performance too there.
That time will be 10.0 (or something) lowest, and like you said the frames will be 100 highest.
But it's not really the "cap" I meant btw, more like the card has a cap or a limitation, which would obviously be it's performance.
And yes, I do uninstall other interfering drivers and older drivers etc. of course :) .
Also connected the Molex-connector, I read manuals and have an eye for detail.
It's also the thing that made it use 3 Molex-connectors when you didn't have a PCIe-connector on your PSU, so you'd have to split the 6-pin to 2 Molexes.
So I was 1 Molex short so I had to buy a new PSU, so I got that Zalman and I really like it shall I stop talking now lol... :P
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28. July 2007 @ 05:01 |
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Could it be a power issue? I have a antec 500watt psu, with many splitters to connect all my hardware.
I have a a "y" splitter that doesn't come from the official source, it comes from a cable that goes through the lights, which may not provide enough power?
Maybe I should get a cable that comes directly from the psu, and connects the gfx card?
Also, do you think I am stressing the hardware and am running out of power?, because I heard that the x1950xt likes to take 200 to 250watts of power.
What do you guys think (according to the specs in my sig)
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