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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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19. September 2007 @ 19:25 |
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Waymon(can I call you Ray now?), you could put both those cards in but I think only one of them would work.
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20. September 2007 @ 04:35 |
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Look at what I wrote carefully, from the picture you see it has two 16x slots. It is not SLi though. I wasn't wrong about saying you can put a 2900 in it, I just omitted crossfire. You will not be able to run two different graphics cards at the same time.
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20. September 2007 @ 04:56 |
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Did you go to that site I pointed out to you though?
It has a check next to ATi crossfire compatable row, which means it can do that. Just look at the link: http://www.hardware.info/productdb/bGNka..._P5W_DH_Deluxe/
If you still disagree, can you explain why you wont be able to do crossfire? Could you put a 2900XT and a x1950xtx in there? Is that what that means?
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20. September 2007 @ 04:58 |
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I didn't say it wouldn't be able to do crossfire, it can. Again, read what I wrote carefully, I didn't say one way or the other, I couldn't remember at the time, but you're right.
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20. September 2007 @ 14:27 |
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the P5W DH isn't SLI, but you can put a 2900XT in it.
So I can put 2 2900s if I wanted to in it (which I wont, its waaayy to expensive)?
Btw, what do you think of the 2900XT 1GB? I think this is my final list for the upgrade:
Western Digital Raptor X 150GB 10,000rpm
OCZ ATI CrossFire 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard
Windows Vista Ultimate 32bitt
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache
DIAMOND 2900XT1GPE Radeon HD 2900XT 1GB 512-bit GDDR4 PCI Express x16
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harvrdguy
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20. September 2007 @ 15:27 |
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waymon
sammorris
dinc
kardson
maccerm
abuzar 1
Hey guys! Raymond (waymon) by the way, per Abuzar's question, do you also go by Ray?
(C'mon Abuzar, is that your first name or were you just funnin' Sam?)
BTW Raymond, people are wondering about the big matchup. But where the hell did Travis (kardson) disappear to? He had all that major dentistry done, which would slow down anybody. Travis, are you okay, dude, come on back!
Raymond that is a kick-ass web site you found!
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From the check mark, it says, yes, crossfire. When I followed the arrow, I got to this page:
hardware info web site
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which is where you must have put in the search criteria to get the list of boards.
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Very nice find Raymond!
Rich
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20. September 2007 @ 15:31 |
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Waymon
Raymond, nice pictures dude! Hey, don't you want DDR3 memory. I thought that was one of the big advantages of the p35 chipset, support for faster DDR3 main memory?
Rich
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20. September 2007 @ 15:33 |
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Also, out of curiousity, what's your case (staying with the 900?) and what is your cpu cooling solutions going to be?
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harvrdguy
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20. September 2007 @ 15:35 |
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BTW, Coolit makes a little $25 ram fan for those sticks - snaps over the things - supposed to work good.
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20. September 2007 @ 15:43 |
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Well I just googled "ASUS P5W Deluxe 2900XT" and got to that site, its in german though... Or some of it anyways.
As for the matchup, Im ready to go, but we need kardson back. Btw I dont care if you call me ray or raymond, people in school call me both, so I dont mind.
As for the GDDR3 question, do you mean that for the ram or the video card memory? I dont really want to go over 1500 dollars, and that setup just meets my budget on newegg. I am also going to keep the 900, since I got it like a week and I love it.
As for the CPU cooling, I think I might stay with the stock cooler and see how far I can get with overclocking. OR, if my Zalman cooler will fit socket 775, then I'll definetly use that, but I have no clue if it will or wont fit.
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20. September 2007 @ 17:40 |
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Well okay, Ray. Regarding RAM, off the top of my head, I thought the x2900 used DDR4 memory. Yeah, I found it a couple pages back: here's what you said about it:
Originally posted by waymon3x6:
wow sam, what a coincidence! I was just getting bored last night and decided to put a list togeather to upgrade my computer to PCI-e this summer. It included:
Western Digital 10,000rpm 150GB Raptor X
OCZ GameXstream 700watt PSU
OCZ Ati Crossfire 2GB (2x 1GB) DDR2 800
ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz
Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate
Diamond
DIAMOND 2900XT1GPE Radeon HD 2900XT 1GB 512-bit GDDR4
And then here's what Sam said:
Originally posted by sammorris:
It's pleasing to see that using GDDR4, the HD2900XT is finally a product to outperform the 8800GTX. I had no idea until I just looked how much better the Diamond Viper peforms. it being able to overclock to gain an extra 15% performance boost only sweetens the deal. That will be a kickass PC, Waymon, if a little loud.
So anyway, I was talking about system RAM, those two really nice looking ATI DDR 2 RAM sticks. I don't know how much more expensive DDR3 is than DDR2, or how much faster, but I think all the p35 chipset boards support DDR 3 now, right Sam?
(So where did kardson disappear to - Hawaii?)
You got any links to that case of yours, Raymond? Or any pictures? What do you like about it - how's the ventilation?
-rich
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20. September 2007 @ 17:48 |
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Well I just looked on newegg at the ddr3 ram, and it is very expensive. I think the cheapest pair (2GB) was $470, which is twice as much as the kind I wanted. DDR3 is way faster though, the sticks I want are PC6400, while the DDR3 sticks are 10,070 I think. They go all the way up to 15000. (basically, the higher the number, the faster then memory)
As for the 2900XT, I found this which is pretty amazing:
now, regarding my 900 case, I dont have any pictures at the moment, but I will try to take some and get them up here as well as some benchmarks.
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harvrdguy
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20. September 2007 @ 18:39 |
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Hey, don't bother about DDR3. I just read an Anandtech review matching up DDR2 versus DDR3.
anandtech ddr2 versus ddr3
Here's what they said:
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The purpose of this comparison of DDR3 and DDR2 was to determine whether DDR3 really brought any better performance to the Core 2 platform. However, the test was designed so that any performance improvements that were brought by the new P35 (Bearlake) chipset would be captured and could be isolated. P35 supports either DDR2 or DDR3, and we found no real difference in current performance of DDR2 and DDR3 on the P35 platform. Both were equally faster than the same DDR2 on the P965 chipset.
Btw, they also talked very enthusiastically about the board you are planning to get!
They also talked about something else - the ability of the newer processors to run on the 1333 front side bus, even though they aren't officially rated to do that.
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All of the CPUs listed above in our table are 1066 FSB processors, but all ran fine at 1333 FSB at default multiplier and default voltage. Of course this is the FSB frequency Intel will be introducing on their soon-to-be-announced processors. This little side effect will make the P35 with DDR2 a favorite overclockers' board with current Intel Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad processors. A $189 E6420 can perform even better than an E6700 just by selecting a 1333 bus on P35 and leaving everything else at default. Likewise, a $500 Q6600 will outperform the ~$1000 QX6700 with just a bus speed change.
This little side effect will certainly be noticed by Intel. We have to wonder how fast the 1066 processors may start disappearing with this kind of free, painless overclocking available with the new P35 boards.
I am not exactly sure I understood what they said, maybe Sam can clarify it. It looks to me that if you make sure your p35 board supports 1333 fsb, and I think they all do, and that your processor runs at least at 1066, then you will be able to get painless overclocking by specifying 1333 on your fsb.
Thanks Raymond! Those crysis demo results were awesome. Did you notice that the ATI 2900 board which was kicking ass over the 768mb 8800GTX, has the standard 512mb DDR3 memory.
Wow, let's look at that again! (ATI is kickin some ass!)
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How would your Diamond have done, with 1 gig of DDR4?
Yeah, when you get around to it, I'd like to see some pictures of your case.
Rich
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harvrdguy
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20. September 2007 @ 18:46 |
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I wonder if that anandtech article was a little dated - back in May I think. Maybe the latest DDR3s, as you say, are waaaay faster, and pricier, and maybe they will make a difference.
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20. September 2007 @ 19:37 |
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Not yet, their speed is better but they have worse latency. By the way GDDR4 is DDR3 ram I believe.
I wasn't kidding my full name is Abuzar Baloach lol.
You guys know whats up with SLI or Crossfire ram? What difference does it make from high performance ram running in dual channel?
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20. September 2007 @ 20:43 |
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There's no such thing as SLi or crossfire RAM, they just put the brand names on their as a marketing gimmick. They're standard high performance memory modules underneath.
Note that GDDR3 does not equal DDR3, different tech, different use. However, GDDR4 is worth having for graphics cards, DDR3 is not yet worth having for system RAM. Nice benchmarks, looks like the 2900XT may finally prove useful! Shame that it uses so much power and makes so much noise though.
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21. September 2007 @ 05:26 |
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I think I am alive again.
Used the last couple days to set up Wake on Wan on my home computers.
Thus allowing me to POWER ON the computer from work... Pretty nifty since I remote to it to talk to you guys.
Side Note.. Pain pills are GOOOOD once the severe pain is gone.
Anyhow, Im up for a little BF2 this weekend.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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21. September 2007 @ 05:32 |
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Scratch what I said before. GDDR3 RAM was ALMOST(shared the same tech base) as DDR2 but GDDR4 is not related to DDR3.
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21. September 2007 @ 06:55 |
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Fair enough, I had no idea. It's worth noting that DDR2 at much above 1Ghz is rare, but quite a few graphics cards use GDDR3 almost at 2Ghz.
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21. September 2007 @ 07:20 |
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Well, nice to have kardson back, and I can go play BF2 this saturday after 12. Just give me a server name and a time, and I'll be there. Im on the east coast, just so you know and we dont get our times all mixed up.
I really hope that the 2900XT will play Crysis the way the graph that I posted before says it will. Everything on high, and constant fps above 40! Thats awsome. I just wonder how well the Gecube will play. Ill get the demo on the 25 and post some bench marks.
Btw, I am at school now, and the internet SUCKS! it took me like 4 minutes to load this page so I can reply, so dont expect me to reply a lot right now.
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21. September 2007 @ 10:48 |
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Only one way to find out I suppose...
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21. September 2007 @ 10:53 |
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I'm good, my trusty 7600 GT will give me awesome frame rates of 5 FPS!
@Sam
I didn't say they were the same, it's just that they are based of the same technology. It would be awesome to have 2Ghz RAM wouldn't it?
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21. September 2007 @ 11:54 |
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yes it would. I just found a part in Extraction point where I only get 5fps. At 1680x1050 as well! :-(
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21. September 2007 @ 13:02 |
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karson
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Hey dudes,
Travis, you're back!
So maybe we're on for the BF2 Matchup!
Maybe you should send a private message to Raymond so you guys can hook up on instant messenger or something so you can synchronize the match. (We'll find out for once and for all if omega drivers rule .... or not!)
Hey Travis, I'm making progress on the computer airflow. I've been cutting holes in my case like crazy! Trying to run the kama bay fan-less didn't quite work so I'm waiting for Sam's 1600 rpm scythe to show up. They dropped it from $30 to $20 on newegg so I ordered it. (Hey, if anybody knows, could they tell by a cookie that I had looked at it before, and did they drop it for me - do they do marketing stuff like that? I just thought it was odd - they had a big slash through the $29.99 new price $19.99. Or do they run specials all the time? I was going to pay the $30 :-)
I picked up a big square grill to cover the expanded rectangular vent that I had, and I picked up a sunbeam overclocking kit for the hose and now the cpu is direcly ducted to the outside round hole. You should see the cpu temp start jumping up when I block off the hole! Anyway, the point is that my cpu is completely protected from the Gecube heat - it doesn't matter how hot the inside of the case gets.
Sunbeam even included a small square grill with plastic cover holding on a filter - and the kama bay has a filter, so all my intakes have filters. And my case has a little bling with two decent looking grills. (I tried to take a picture just now with my cell phone but it came out too dark even with the lamp - it's a black case.)
Hey regarding the Diamond 1 gig benches. I read a strange review that compared it to the stock ATI 2900 with 512mb - they were trying to see how much the memory helped. On one game for sure, I forget the game, maybe oblivion, the extra memory really increased the framerates, like about 30%. A couple of others they couldn't tell. But in a few games, the framerates were actually lower????? Why would you ever get lower fps with more memory? Does that make sense to anybody? Sam, got any theories?
Good luck with the matchup!
Rich
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21. September 2007 @ 13:09 |
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Wow, a game that has Sam slowed down? I thought you always turned that Dell way up to 2500 x 1600, all high settings, with your close-to-7000 3dmark rig.
Hey abuzar, how come you don't join us in Gecube heaven, so you too could have nightmares with the tec cooler?
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