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3. August 2005 @ 07:51 |
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Why not get a dual core from AMD? They have them from $500-$1000. You'd be much happier when your browsing the internet while playing itunes, watching a video, downloading a file, or editing pictures and video. It would especially be nice to do other stuff while ripping and burning DVDs, without crashing the buffer up and down.
You'll be in for it if you get x64. There is no driver support for all the goodies you want, it's purely for business and won't perform any better for your system, mostly because you'll be screwed out of something in your list because... I'll reiterate here, it's for business. Wait for mid/post 2006 with Windows Vista, you'll regret x64 garunteed.
AI NOS will automatically handle safe overclocking for you.
If you use AI NOS on all those components, water cooling would be nice, you'd get alot more OC out of it. AI NOS OCs what you want while regulating heat, if you water cooled it, the AI NOS would have alot more room to work with.
Oh yeah, pretty soon AMD is releasing an even cheaper dual core for like $350. I would go with the 4800+ X2 64-bit, because the clock speed isn't that much different, but your getteing twice the L2 cache and dual cores. Way Way!! better deal.
If your looking for a serious gaming computer, the F-57 seems like the premium choice because of it's higher clock speed. The 4800 X2 has a 2.4GHz clock speed which may seem very different. But then, you have another core that will run all the windows background programs and processes without interupting the core handling your game. Also some games coming up will be coded to let a second core handle the sound, among other little things.
The 4800+ X2 is a much better choice overall. The F-57 may increase your fps, but it won't run as smooth or as cool with other stuff happening in the background of your computer.
The biggest thing, is not to use x64 edition. Configure your Raptors in Raid 0 for performance, and if you store DVDs or important info on the other two drives, then have them in Raid 1. You'll have 574GB total room, but 74GB for high performance core applications isn't bad, an have the 500GB drive mirrored is safe. You don't want to have to "back-up" all of your DVDs again or "Pay a music store" for all your music again ;)
If you trust the reliability of those drives go for the 1TB, but I sure don't, the 500GB deal is new and not really proven over a long time yet. I would ave alot of money and just go with 400GB drives, or when you can get a 3.5" drive using parallel recording in 500GB or 600GB I would do that.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
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3. August 2005 @ 13:49 |
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Aren't we forgetting something?
The Dual Core range isn't supported yet either. There will be far more functionality in a 64-bit CPU than a Dualcore and for gaming the FX-57 is the top dog. Trust me tra77, you made the right choice.
In a response to what you actually asked about the PSU, S-ATA drives need converter cables (Molex to S-ATA) IF the PSU doesn't have SATA leads attached already. With one of that rating I'd be surprised if that's the case, you should have the connectors already on there. If not they're not expensive. A 650W PSU by the way is a monster and should do everything nicely, and will people stop moaning about my QTEC one!!! I can't afford to buy a really snazzy PSU after having paid twice for this one!
And no I cant take the Magna one back because i bought it from ebuyer and that's just too much hassle to get just half of my money back. I'll just suffer the injustice like most have to.
BTW please delete the double post - i accidentally clicked the double-click button on my mouse. Sorry!!!
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Aren't we forgetting something?
The Dual Core range isn't supported yet either. There will be far more functionality in a 64-bit CPU than a Dualcore and for gaming the FX-57 is the top dog. Trust me tra77, you made the right choice.
In a response to what you actually asked about the PSU, S-ATA drives need converter cables (Molex to S-ATA) IF the PSU doesn't have SATA leads attached already. With one of that rating I'd be surprised if that's the case, you should have the connectors already on there. If not they're not expensive. A 650W PSU by the way is a monster and should do everything nicely, and will people stop moaning about my QTEC one!!! I can't afford to buy a really snazzy PSU after having paid twice for this one!
And no I cant take the Magna one back because i bought it from ebuyer and that's just too much hassle to get just half of my money back. I'll just suffer the injustice like most have to.
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3. August 2005 @ 13:53 |
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can always edit 1 message & put oops or whatever in it!!
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jonni3
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3. August 2005 @ 13:54 |
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I run a Thermaltake 480w butterfly psu and it comes with sata power leads, so i would imagine your 680w monster will, just to be sure why not check out www.thermaltake.com for the specs on it ;)
please delete, double post ;(
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jonni3
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3. August 2005 @ 13:58 |
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I run a Thermaltake 480w butterfly psu and it comes with more power connectors than you can shake a stick at as well as sata power leads, so i would imagine your 680w monster will, just to be sure why not check out www.thermaltake.com for the specs on it ;)
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ddp
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3. August 2005 @ 14:00 |
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jonni3, why did you basically do a double post when you could have edit your 1st post
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3. August 2005 @ 14:06 |
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Didn't realise i posted it the first time, browser is playing up sorry ...why haven't we got the functionality to delete/preview our own post's ?
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ddp
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3. August 2005 @ 14:08 |
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put that idea into the feedback & suggestions forum
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4. August 2005 @ 07:48 |
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Wtf are you talking about? The board he wants to use supports the X2!
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=15&l3=0&model=539&mode...
Asus just released another board designed around the dual cores and ease of use. The A8V-E SE (not SLI). The A8V is compatible too. I'll cut the crap, go to Asus.com and you'll find almost every one of their modern boards support the X2, a few don't.
The biggest difference is for Asus is to go back and install support for the dual cache addressing between different cores.
Using the 6800, raptor satas, and DDR-400, both CPUs score a 116 on the world bench 5 (strange, very). But you have to take into account that alot of the programs world bench 5 is using are not otimized for dual core CPUs yet, along with games.
The 4800+ is a much better choice, providing the same performance now, while besting the single core FX-57 in the future.
For $50 less, and running on the exact same components you plan to use, it'd take a special olympics contestant to choose the FX-57.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
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My advice: Wait for PS3.
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7. August 2005 @ 01:42 |
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What are you trying to say?
That seems very out of order...
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mr_magnon
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7. August 2005 @ 15:08 |
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8. August 2005 @ 02:39 |
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No idea, it looks like a quality card
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8. August 2005 @ 13:03 |
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The X850XTPE is a very good value card now, and to see it at that price does not surprise me a bit. A lot of offers appear on cards like that nowadays... Go for it, it's awesomely powerful,
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9. August 2005 @ 10:27 |
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You know exactly what everything meant. You just have no response for being blatently wrong...
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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9. August 2005 @ 13:15 |
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Who me?
Reasons, the way you're going you could end up repeating the fall of cmmnsense, I think the link to "special olympics contestant" was a bit harsh and unfair.
But anyway, do you really think if there was no point in the FX-57 being, AMD would market it at that price, if at all?
I doubt it, AMD may second to itnel in sales, but they are not fools. Well, they have been in the past, but...
Well, some processors were bad ideas, but never were they pointless, I reckon the FX-57 must have a gaming advantage in the present day, even if only a relatively little one.
And I know i shouldn't get upset, but there must be something in the AUP about that reference.
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10. August 2005 @ 11:16 |
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The FX-57 has been around for a, relative in the computer world, a long time. It has been the premium choice in the gaming PCs, but has recently been surpassed by the X2.
They make identical scores in an all around, including gaming, test, woldbench5. The FX-57 can crunch pure graphics demands slightly better on games that do not support multi-threading. The advantage won't even be nocible on an SLI machine. It's too huge a sacrifice, whe the Unreal 3 engine has already been optimized for dual core CPUs. Despite clock speed the X2 will spank the FX-57 with games running that engine.
In is only a matter of months before all the major engines are optimized for the dual core CPUs, and the FX-57 will have you kicking yourself.
I'll reiterate, in the current computing world where few programs are optimized for dual core CPUs, the FX-57 and the 4800+ X2 both score a 116 on the worldbench5 using the same components (Your computer will score higher for things like the Raptors, the 7800s, and alot of other things. This test that PCWorld did uses average components.) for each. The gaming benifits will only be seen for a few months with the FX-57 while playing games currently not multi-threaded. Playing games running Unreal 3, with a dual core, will already see the benifits now, that every game will in a few months.
The FX-57 is a very poor choice, backed merely by anecdotal squablings of hard core clock speed lovers.
The 4800+ X2 is completely stable when clocked to 2.8GHz (The same as the FX-57) with some aftermarket cooling, air cooling I might add. You could probally push it to 3GHz if you had really advanced air cooling. Water cooling will give you dual cores running 3.2GHz and up.
If anyone wants the settings for the air cooled 2.8GHz, just ask. Make sure to step it up slowly in case your air cooling isn't as good as the one that it was tested on.
Just so no one gets confused, the test and comparisons of each are stock. I am just showing that once you have it you can push it even farther.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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10. August 2005 @ 11:21 |
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Reasons do you think the X2 4200+ is better than the Athlon 64 4000+ in "performance". Just curious, I haven't seen any benchamrks
AMD Athlon 64 FX-55, MSI K8N Neo4-F Motherboard, Creative Labs T5400 5.1 Surround Sound Speaks, Pioneer DVR-109 16X DVD Burner, MSI GeForce 8800 GTS PCIe GFX Card, 1 GB Value Ram.
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You'll see better gaming performance (A few fps, smoother, It wouldn't be noticable to me though.) Because of the higher clock speed.
Overall the Dual core is better now, not by much, but will be astoundingly better in the future when software and mor egame engines are written to optimze use of dual cores.
The dual core is a better investment, because it won't be long before the few advantages of clock sped over parallelism, become none.
If you are forced into the 4000+'s price range, you should get 3800+ X2 dual core, for I think $10 more. Then overclock it to match the clock speed of the 4000+. A sound CPU cooling/case exhaust solution and the CPU is a far better investment.
Even if your uncomfortable overclocking it, you are still better off with whatever dual core you can afford. It'll come down to a good GPU anyway.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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10. August 2005 @ 15:59 |
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I don't know now.... I did some research on the X2 4200+, and it turned out to be worse in some aspects(that did't involve multitasking) than the 4000+. If I could afford the 4800+ I would definitely get it, but I can't. I think i'll stick with my 4000+ for now, and even when multi-threaded apps are released, I'm sure they'll run just fine on it.
AMD Athlon 64 FX-55, MSI K8N Neo4-F Motherboard, Creative Labs T5400 5.1 Surround Sound Speaks, Pioneer DVR-109 16X DVD Burner, MSI GeForce 8800 GTS PCIe GFX Card, 1 GB Value Ram.
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dannymac3
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10. August 2005 @ 20:30 |
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I'm looking to build a relatively cheap gaming PC. I'd like it to in effect, power through HL2 and it's mods with ease. I have in the area of 1,100 dollars to spend not including a monitor. I have a general idea of what I want, but input is always appreciated.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego Socket 939 (280)
Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (100)
Memory: Corsair ValueSelect 1GB 2x512 (85)
HDD: WD Caviar RE SATA 250GB (120)
GPU: ATI X800 XL 256MB PCI-E (170)*
Optical Drive: Plextor PX-712SA/SW-BL SATA DVD+/-RW (70)
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum (100)*
Case and PSU: Need suggestions here.
That puts me at 925 without a case or PSU. I'd think I could get a decent case and PSU for 175 bucks. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
*Denotes cost with Circuit City employee accomodations.
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
15.4" SXGA LCD @ 1680x1050
512MB DDR2700
GeForce 4 440 MX
60GB 5400RPM HDD
8X DVD+/-RW
Bose TriPort Headphones
Secondary Display: 20" Toshiba Flat Screen TV
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ddp
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10. August 2005 @ 20:38 |
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check www.newegg.com to see if get prices cheaper
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dannymac3
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10. August 2005 @ 20:40 |
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All prices, besides the ones from CC Accomodations are current from NewEgg.
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
15.4" SXGA LCD @ 1680x1050
512MB DDR2700
GeForce 4 440 MX
60GB 5400RPM HDD
8X DVD+/-RW
Bose TriPort Headphones
Secondary Display: 20" Toshiba Flat Screen TV
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ddp
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10. August 2005 @ 21:00 |
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ok than seems alright
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ok guys help me out here first off i,ll say that i have 1 grand to spend and that i have no expeirience whatsoever on building comps second of all i want to know which one will be better and,or chaper to make...a laptop or a computer .i will be using it mainly for gaming and storing movies and the occasional school work,oh and also if it would be recommended for me to pay some guy to put it together for me or should i try to do it myself??
operating system:windows xp home edition
ram:1 gig of corsair,512mb of samsung
graphics card: 7800 nvidia geoforce, AMD athlon64 3700+ processor
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