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merlin112
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23. August 2005 @ 19:08 |
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DDP, I like the site. Good prices, good products, Intel or AMD. Sounds like a good alternative to building, but my friend wanted to get into it, so I let him build it and I told him what to do. Took two nights, but I know he appreciates the fact that he can say "I built that". You know, show off to his brother who thinks he knows a lot about computers...
What do you think about the AMD vs. Intel thing?
AMD64 3000+ 1.8 Winchester 939 @ 2250 MHz
ASUS A8N-SLI NVIDIA NFORCE4 MOBO
ATI RADEON X700 PRO
1 GIG (2x512) DDR400 CORSAIR
HD - WESTERN DIGITAL 250 GB SATA
ASPIRE XNAVIGATOR 450W TURBO CASE
LITEON DVD READER
NEC 3520A DVD RW
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ddp
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23. August 2005 @ 19:18 |
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on the pentiums, i've used all of them from amd, cyrix/ibm, via c3 & intel. most of my customers who bought new computers got intel. depends on what they are using the computer for but mostly not games. i'm using a p4 2.5 celeron d, 512meg ddr3200, 160gig wd & win98se but i use it as a tool not gaming.
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merlin112
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24. August 2005 @ 04:09 |
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Good enough for me. Thanks.
AMD64 3000+ 1.8 Winchester 939 @ 2250 MHz
ASUS A8N-SLI NVIDIA NFORCE4 MOBO
ATI RADEON X700 PRO
1 GIG (2x512) DDR400 CORSAIR
HD - WESTERN DIGITAL 250 GB SATA
ASPIRE XNAVIGATOR 450W TURBO CASE
LITEON DVD READER
NEC 3520A DVD RW
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daisukep
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25. August 2005 @ 17:23 |
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Praetor gave an excellent summary of nice computer parts souldoubt could buy given a quasi-limited budget; however, that was done over a year ago. I am wondering if anyone would be willing to write up a nice machine with options for a $1200 or so budget.
I am personally interested in gaming, as I have a laptop that can handle internet browsing and other menial tasks and I am a huge fan of AMD. Unfortunately, I haven't been keeping up with the latest technology and am unaware if anything nicer has come about in the last year which would smash Praetor's original suggestions.
Would anyone be so kind as to make a new list of recommendations? I am mainly concerned with processor, mobo, ram, and video cards. The rest don't change enough for me to be lost with. Thank you all ahead of time.
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hobo4430
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25. August 2005 @ 19:29 |
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I can do it for less than 1200.00 but wopuld not make any profett, and I gotta make something if I am going to sell it it is business but yes it can be done
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daisukep
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25. August 2005 @ 19:35 |
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Sorry, I didn't mean that I wanted someone to build it for me. I get great enjoyment out of putting it together myself. I just wanted recommendations for modern video cards, processors, mobos, and ram. I do not know of very many unbiased websites that give good recommendations for these things. I am sure they are out there, but I am not sure which are good. I've lurked at Afterdawn for quite some time and am very happy with what I've read and so I would trust the recommendations of its members. Thank you for the quick reply though.
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hobo4430
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26. August 2005 @ 06:05 |
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TO MANY TO THINK OF BUT YOU MIGHT LOOK AT THIS
INTEL 840 D DUAL CORE CPU
Intel® Pentium® D processor 840 90 nm, LGA775 2x1MB L2 3.20 GHz 800 MHz
INTEL MOTHER BOARD D955XCS GO TO http://intel.com/design/motherbd/cs/index.htm
WESTERN DIGITAL WDC 36.7GB Internal 3.5-in SATA HDD 10000rpm 8MB 1-in Height 5-year Warr AND ADD THIS WDC 160GB Internal 3.5-in SATA HDD 7200rpm 16MB RAID Edition 5-YEAR WARRANTY
ATI Sapphire ATI X800GT 256M DDR TV DVI CRT PCI-E
PLEXTOR Plextor DVD+RW CD-RW PX-716A SW 8x4x16 DVD+RW 48x24x48 CD-RW
Kingston Memory 1GMB DDR 400MHz PC3200 184-pin CL3 DIMM Non-ECC X2
CASE
Image Marketing Description
ASUS VENTO 3600, the first gaming chassis that combined practical features and style to take high-performance gaming to the next level.
MPN
VENTO3600-TA363 BLK
Key Features
Dimensions WxDxH 12.1"x24.7"20.7"
Cooling System 2xFan
Weight 33lbs
Motherboard I/O Expansion Slots 7
Rackmount Rail Kit N/A
Enclosure Color Black
Accessories N/A
Regular 3.5" Bays 3
LEDs N/A
Motherboard Supported up to Form Factor ATX
Chassis Type Mid Tower
Front Ports USB, Audio
Qty per pallet N/A
Warranty 1 year
Power Supply No Power Supply
Regular External 3.5" Bays 1
Intrusion Switch N/A
Built-in SCA Bays N/A
Regular 5.25" Bays 4
Thermaltake Power Supply W0049RUC 680W 2Fan PFC CB,CE, FCC, UL, CUL, TUV certification ATX 2.01 Version Black
Compliant with SSI EPS 12V and ATX 12V 2.01 Version. Higher output 680W output power provides sufficient power. Dual PCI Express, 4 SATA connectors and ten 4-pin power connectors. Active PFC, improved energy efficiency and reduced current load on AC delivery systems. Mirror Finish Lapping. High efficient with dual fans for lowest noise. Intelligent Cable,provide optimum air flow . Protections against Over voltage, Short-Circuit, Over-current, Overload, and Over-temperature. Safety / EMI Approvals CB,CE, FCC, UL, CUL, TUV certification
AC Input 100V to 240V
Weight 2.7 kg
Warranty 1 Year
Fan Features 2 Ball Bearing Fans
Connectors Dual PCI-E, 4 x SATA, 10 x 4-pin power
Dimensions WxDxH 15 x 16.5 x 8.6 cm
Output Power 680 Watts
Form Factor ATX
THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD START FOR YOU IF YOU ARE A GAMMER IT SHOULD FLY IT IS TRENDY IN PRICE BUT YOU WONT NEED ANOTHER FOR SOME TIME TO COME THE BOARD WILL HANDLE THE EXTREAM EDITION CPU BY INTEL THE CASE IS A LITTLE FANCY BUT NICE TO LOOK AT
HOPE THIS WILL HELP YOU SOME
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26. August 2005 @ 06:35 |
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The first thing you shoudl know is not to go with intel. If your building a high performance PC anyway, and with the CPu you chose, your are.
AMD may not support DDR2, but the memory controllers and architecture surpass any similar costing intel chip running 1GHZ+ higher.
Intel traded latency for brute force. The high clock speeds are an advertising point, but the architecture is childish, and has high latency problems all across the board, and has to use those extra GHz to come in second.
Not only is latency terrible, but the FSB on a dual core CPU is pethetic. The 2GHz HT bus on AMD boards is unparalelled. Intel offers 1066MHz in some situations.
AMD's 4800+ X2 is a far better choice for less money.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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ddp
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26. August 2005 @ 07:16 |
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hobo4430, knock off the caps as referred to as shouting as per forum rules above.
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hobo4430
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26. August 2005 @ 20:31 |
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if all you have to worry about is caps then mabye you need to have a look at getting a real life I am almost blind or are you just haveing a handicaped problem?
I dont intend to do that I just forgot to change it to lower case
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dgib2000
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27. August 2005 @ 06:35 |
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I am getting ready to build a media center pc and everything I read is about gaming. I will not be playing any of the games like halo, doom, or half life. I will be backing up dvds, editing video, and recording live tv. While I'm backing up dvd's I do want to do other things, so I don't want the minimum requirements for a system. Now with that said I also don't want a top of the line system just a middle of the road will work. TV used will be analog so digital is not necessary for output.
Here is what I know I want included in my system:
AMD XP 3200+ or 64 3200+
1 gig RAM (not sure which kind)
200 gig WD HD
Windows XP or Windows Media Center
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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ddp
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27. August 2005 @ 07:20 |
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hobo4430, i am handicapped with cerebal palsey for almost 46yrs!! a moderator or even other members would have said the same thing as i did.
dgib2000, what about a dvd rom drive for ripping & playing with a dvd burner to burn cd/dvd's??
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27. August 2005 @ 08:28 |
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Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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syntheti
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27. August 2005 @ 19:25 |
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merlin112
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27. August 2005 @ 19:48 |
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Way to go ddp!!
Hobo4430, I see spelling and punctuation were skipped in your schooling. Lol...
syntheti, I like ASUS boards. And I have never used MSI. Sorry.
AMD64 3000+ 1.8 Winchester 939 @ 2250 MHz
ASUS A8N-SLI NVIDIA NFORCE4 MOBO
ATI RADEON X700 PRO
1 GIG (2x512) DDR400 CORSAIR
HD - WESTERN DIGITAL 250 GB SATA
ASPIRE XNAVIGATOR 450W TURBO CASE
LITEON DVD READER
NEC 3520A DVD RW
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. August 2005 @ 19:49
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hobo4430
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27. August 2005 @ 21:38 |
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you know if this is the best you can do in here is injure some one then why bother ? are you that little? and I thought you were adults, I guess Afterdawn.com isnt a place for an adult, this is a place or use to be a place to get answers to questions and not throw personal injuries around like toy's mabye you need to go and read the rules for this place again as it seems that you missed some things in it the first time , Ill send a copy of it to the mods and see what they think of your being here, then again mabye I should look else where my-self..... good thought
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dgib2000
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28. August 2005 @ 05:58 |
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ddp of course i will be getting a dvd burner, but i'm more interested in mb cpu and video card as the heart of the system. basically i can read reviews on dvd burners, fans, and ps. what i need is info on what core parts would best be put together and enhance the others performance.
thanks in advance
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ddp
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28. August 2005 @ 07:28 |
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go with the socket 939 board & cpu. get a board that can handle 4gig of ram. get a dvd drive for playing & ripping to reduce wear & tear on the burner. either get a all in 1 videocard or get a pci video capture video card.
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hobo4430
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28. August 2005 @ 12:23 |
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rc82
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29. August 2005 @ 14:24 |
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hello all. thanks to ddp and hobo i have come to the realization that my psu frankly sucks (thanks for your help guys). i have a dell dimension xps t800r. i found one, and only one, psu that is compatable with this damn machine. it is the silencer 360 atx from pc power and cooling. unfortunately i tried ordering it today and i received a phone call not long after telling me it is on backorder until 9/15. i am starting to get very frustrated at dell and am wondering if it is really worth spending another $80 on this thing. my future plans were to someday build my own machine and now i am starting to wonder...is today that day?? so again i am relying on the vast expertise, knowledge, and willingness to not only put up with but actually help a noob like myself in this community. btw thanks in advance!
here's what i have that i could keep (sorry if i don't know brand names) :
cdrw
dvdrw
30g quantum hdd
160 seagate barracuda internal hdd
creative soundblaster
ati 7000
broadband input
i also have 768 pc100/133 kingston sdram but i know this wont be able to make the transition and of course some other cards that i dont know the function of.
please keep in mind that i work for a non-profit alternative high school so spending any money is already over budget for me :)
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ddp
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29. August 2005 @ 17:25 |
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do the upgrades in stages. get a new case & psu of sufficient power. gut the dell to use its parts for now. get an adapter that fits the dell 24pin motherboard connector to the new psu 20pin connector. those go for about $10. when finances are available than get new ram, motherboard, cpu & maybe new videocard if new motherboard has pci/e on it. once that is done than sell of the remains of the dell to recover some of the cost of the new stuff.
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rc82
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29. August 2005 @ 17:42 |
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the problem with the power supply is not the 20 pin connector which my dell motherboard does have, but the 6 pin connector which it also has. I have not found any psus that are comptable with this motherboard and vice versa except the one from pc power and cooling. so i guess i need to start out with a case, psu, and a new motherboard. but that is where i run into a problem because no matter how much reading i do i still have no idea what the difference is between sockets and so on. any recommendations?
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ddp
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29. August 2005 @ 17:56 |
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that dell is a p3 800mhz. you are saying the psu has a 20pin connector plus a 6pin inline connector like the old xt, 286, 386 & 486 computers, correct?? does it also have a 4pin square connector??
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rc82
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29. August 2005 @ 18:03 |
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4 pin? i don't think so. it is a dimension xps t800r. i know its intel but thats it. the service tag is EYINB if your so inclined to look it up. afaik i just hooked up the old psu and there was only a 20 pin and a funky 6 pin. the rest of the connectors were standard.
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ddp
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29. August 2005 @ 18:12 |
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does that 6pin connector have 3 black, 2 orange & 1 red wire as your new psu will have that plus the square 4pin connector
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