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25. October 2006 @ 11:56 |
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i dont want to seem bitchy here but you compaired it initialy to the 3800 not the 4200(which does cost the same) but i.m.h.o you would need a 4600 windsor(£200) to keep up with the e6300. any way both systems we posted seem like good value and would offer great performance for their respective prices. like you say "buy cheap, buy twice"
a 7900gs for £140 seems like a good deal to me.
if it fits your budget dam right get the best you can, i was always going to come in on the high side with £600 for a c2d rig. have a go sam see how you go, just remmeber that what i looked for was componants that will take the strain of the next set of upgrades aswell as coming as close to £600 as i could
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25. October 2006 @ 11:56 |
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double post. dead bats in mouse made me do it :)
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25. October 2006 @ 13:18 |
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only cheap quality, cheap performance just means slower. The 1900 is fine!
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25. October 2006 @ 14:08 |
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i think my point with the gcards has been missed somwhat. sam not everyone has a screen as flash as yours, the majority of people have what? 17/19 inch screens running? 1200/1000 ? now at those res my 7600gt monsters most games out today, gets a bit choppy in oblivion but i could always turn the settings down. now im rambling.
the thing i wanted to point out is the £70 you can save on the 1900 with the 7600gt, is a quarter of the price of the next gen cards are going to be and that can only be a good thing. if humza wants vista to be spot on he will want a dx10 card. add their 128 pixpipes in 3 arrays, the 356mb mem bandwidth(not true but almost) and gddr4 to the newwer gpu design they will(should) blow all current cards miles out the water.
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some bargains here for you, this week only. e6300 £115 plus some others,
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/O...ek_Only_25.html
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26. October 2006 @ 01:46 |
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Neither card is DX10, and none are at the moment and "designed for Vista" is marketing BS, as nVidia are always capable of pulling off, they're no more designed for Vista than the Radeons.
With overclockers, you'd need to get all your stuff there to save, they charge a hell of a lot for delivery lately, counteracting the value of their this week only offers.
One presumes this PC will need some degree of future proofing, the 7600GT is not offering that. I didn't just buy this PC for outrageous performance now, I bought it so I could still play games at respectable resolutions (1280x1024 for example) later on. The current games are the last that the 7600GT will be able to play with some nice detail settings. The 7600GT is still excellent value, don't get me wrong, but when he can have a faster card and still be within his budget, why not? I think you're over-hyping the Allendale in this case. The Athlon is pretty close behind at this end of the market, and allows 939's trademark good value high performance motherboards.
His call, but I'd still go 939, even now.
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26. October 2006 @ 05:37 |
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i didnt say either card was dx10 or designed for vista, what i am saying is that by getting a cheaper card now the money he saves could then go towards a dx10 card when they are available.
if i was to buy a new rig today i would base it around some good quality ddr2, regardless of the cpu thats were i would start, but if i was just going to upgrade this one i would go for 939 as they are great value for money. only problem is that the good procs have all been bought up by dell
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26. October 2006 @ 07:16 |
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he can do, up to him. Intending to change graphics cards soon after buying a new PC seems a bit of a weird strategy though, after all, DX9 cards will play DX10 games, just not as well, and isn't that the point of upgrading anyway?
I personally think DDR2 is over-rated. The higher clock speed and 4-bit fetch is useful, but higher latencies offset quite a chunk of the added performance, and CPUs probably still haven't taken full advantage of it yet, especially Intels.
Plenty of 939 X2s about, so I'd get one of thems. Maybe a 4200+, but a 3800 will keep him in budget.
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26. October 2006 @ 07:52 |
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wow this is confussing me even more could i please have a one line answer to what graphics card i should get that would be good to run with vista and most games. thankyou all for your advice!
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26. October 2006 @ 07:54 |
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wait til vista comes out so will know what card to use.
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26. October 2006 @ 08:17 |
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That's a bit of a wait isn't it? The straiht answer, humza is buy the best you can afford, that's always a given. Within my build, the X1900XT 256MB is the best you'll find.
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26. October 2006 @ 22:13 |
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it is a wait now m$ have bumped it till march.
humza if you want a rig that will get the best out of vista and the games that come out next year you will want a dx10 card(i know i will when cryasis, is that splet right? is released) to get the most out of it.
what it comes down to realy is the monitor your plugging it into, if its a smallish one most (7xxx or 18xx) cards will do the job for now, if its a 50inch plasma you will need 2 £300+ ones to get the same amount detail.
thinking about it logicaly, i would get a mobo with onboard graphics and wait for the new cards in the spring, then get the best you can afford then
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26. October 2006 @ 23:46 |
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My 7600GT is perfect at 12*10 :D IF you're on a budget go for the AM2 X2 3800+, if you can though, get the E6300. The X1900XT isn't a waste if you do Folding@Home. Plus if you can hit 3.0ghz with that E6300 talk about bang for the buck!
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27. October 2006 @ 01:42 |
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Yeah, but you can hit near 3.0Ghz with a 3800+....
Actually most plasmas only game at 1024x768 or 1280x1024, so they're no different to normal monitors, it's 1920x1200 workscreens that are the real killers. The point is, how futureproof do you want your system? If you're only going to be playing reasonably recent titles at medium detail, a 7600GT will be enough until Vista when you'll buy another graphics card, but that's the value of the 7600GT mostly gone as you'll never sell it for anywhere near what you bought it for. If you get a better card to start with even when Crysis and that lot come out you're still covered... Considering it's only about £60 more, I'd still call the X1900.
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soutzouk
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27. October 2006 @ 02:42 |
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i built a pc 4 months ago.mb asus a8n sli premium ,cpu amd 3200+,ram 2x1gb kingston 400mhz ddr2,msi 7600 gt.i'm thinking about bying another 7600gt or wait till dx 10 cards come out(and then of course change the cpu which at the moment is good enough for me-gaming,internet and office appz-).so any suggestions woulb be helpfull.i don't mind playing oblivion at 20fps(1280x1024,grass shadows off) but FEAR is almost unplayable at 15-20 fps.also i have an lg tft monitor so no more than 1280x1024 at 75hz
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27. October 2006 @ 03:15 |
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I would personally wait for DX10 beacuse its not that far off round the corner and if you buy another card now you will smack yourself in the face when DX10 comes out for not wating. lol
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27. October 2006 @ 03:31 |
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27. October 2006 @ 03:47 |
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That's quite a nice build, soutzouk, I especially like the choice of 2GB of memory, not many people think it's necessary, but I can honestly say it makes a hell of a difference. Depending on which games you're playing you may get away with a 7600GT still, the reason i say this is that you may get an advantage out of your gaming if you pick up a dual core CPU? The raw performance difference for one core isn't that great (about 10-15% for a 3800+, 20-30% for a 4200+) but you can run apps in the background and them not affect your games. Given the often limited gains of SLi due to processor performance, you may want to weigh up what you feel is best for you. My recommendation would be to hold off the GPU for a bit, and maybe try for the dual core so when you upgrade your graphics you can hit the ground running.
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27. October 2006 @ 04:10 |
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sam(and everone else running amd x2s) have you got amds new driver for your cpu? it automaticly sorts out which apps/games will run on both cores and sets it to one core if it wont.
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soutzouk
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27. October 2006 @ 04:28 |
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thnx guys and marsey99 sorry for the mistake i made.fear on crt 1600x1200.the lg19s is a new buy.anyway i'll test it on my tft and post back.
@sammmoris
think u re right.wait for dx10 and then cpu and gpu(and maybe windows........)
B(illy).G. rules snif
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27. October 2006 @ 07:20 |
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1600x1200? No wonder the game runs badly, FEAr at that resolution is one of the hardest tests for any PC. I run the game at that setting, and I can only just get away with it with my card, let alone a 7600GT. 1280x1024 should see you achieve a respectable frame rate. Yeah I downloaded AMD's newer driver. That's kind of useful, but it isn't the fount of all knowledge, so it's often necessary to change the setting yourself.
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27. October 2006 @ 08:51 |
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Do you have the link for AMD x2 new drives?
Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-
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27. October 2006 @ 08:53 |
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27. October 2006 @ 08:58 |
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WOW...thanks
Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-
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27. October 2006 @ 09:01 |
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@ Sam
Theres alot of drives there? Which ones would you suggest per my sig?
Win. 7/Case- Thermaltake Armor11 bays "full case"-with side fan panel... removed stock fans replaced with SCYTHE 92mm 2ea. and SCYTHE/s-flex sff21f 120mm 2ea./ sunbeam 4 fan controller/Processor-Intel Core2Duo E6850 3.0 w/ Zalman CNPS7700-CU cooler/motherboard-Asus P5N32-E SLI p680I/PSU-Cooler Master RS 850 watt real power pro sli/Sound Card-Creative Sound Blaster X-FI FATAL1ty/Cables-Thermaltake Rounded IDE ATA & ATA2/Memory- 4 Gig Corsair XMS 800 MH/HDD-1ea. WD 300GB 10K VelociRaptor Sata-1ea.WD 320GB 7200rpm Sata/Drives- 2ea. Benq 1655 [Rev.BCDB]2ea.LG GH24NS70[rev.GN00]/52in1 card reader&Writer&USB/ Video cards- 1ea. EVGA Gforce Nvida GTX 550Ti /Monitors- 2ea. ACER AL2017 LCD 20 in. ea/Printer-
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27. October 2006 @ 09:17 |
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