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25. July 2004 @ 23:18 |
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Did you even read JSRife's post?
oops got the wrong side of the picture (didnt read it carefully enough! Quote:
1. Not everyone's a little rich kid like you who's got money to go buy things left and right
1. Hey i live in house worth about £46,000 2. If i want a PC part for my PC i have to wait a quite a while (maybe longer than that) 3. I have a voodoo 2 (diamond 3d) accelerater card and some games do not support them (make that a LOT)!
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26. July 2004 @ 04:56 |
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Jetway ATI RADEON 9200LE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "92LE-AD-128B" -RETAIL
Specifications -
Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9200LE/250MHz
Memory: 128MB DDR
BUS: AGP 4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out(S-Video) + DVI
Support 3D API: DirectX 8.1, OpenGL
Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable, Manual, 1 CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536
Retail Box (See pics for details)
$53.00
Another thing that has been stumping me some of the cards say (OEM) (RETAIL) and junk like that. Any difference???
I'm looking to spend no more than $60 for a video card, just looking to get anything with 128mb to improve my computer a little. I don't play the latest greatest games on my machine either, just older stuff like Diablo 2 and so on, which D2 Plays pretty good now without the card.. I also been checking out the Nvidia 5200 series which is comparable in price to the 9200 in some cases, depending on the actual card.
These are all the cards I been looking at....Maybe you would know which would be the most bang for the buck...Here it is...
Rosewill ATI RADEON 9200LE Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "92LE-AD-128B" -RETAIL
$54.00
CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 64-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "LA-FX20-H" -RETAIL (limit 5 per customer) $57.00
APOLLO GeForce4 MX440-8X Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "Bloody Monster Geforce4 MX440 128MB-AGP8X" -RETAIL $58.00
Something like one of those cards am considering. I just hear alot about the 9200 being a good budget card, so that kind of sold me... One last thing, how in the hell do you copy and paste pictures onto these post???
Jason Rife
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26. July 2004 @ 07:16 |
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Hi Jason,
You should probably pickup something to put in your empty AGP slot!
One of those 3 inexpensive boards would be an improvement for you.
Your system has allocated 32MB (or maybe 64MB, check the BIOS setting) of RAM for your onboard video.
It will return that mem to your system right away, so that's gotta be worth $50 bucks or whatever :-)
You can't go wrong with that 128MB FX5200, I have one here in Asus 'VS' model, which is Video Suite (it has video out / video in for capturing, also known as VIVO) and it works OK.
It will make you very happy @ 800x600x32 but you must spend $400 bucks to 1600x1200x32, you know? So WTF.
Most AGP slots are either 'AGP 1x2x4x' or they are 'AGP 4x8x'. Yours is probably the former, so it would run latest-voltage 8x AGP card @ 4x AGP (no big deal).
Don't even open the driver CD that comes with vidcard; download NVidia (or ATI) driver package before you install board, and go right for those.
After reboot, run DirectX 9.0b install again.
Apart from return of system RAM, you will benefit from industry-standard drivers from either mfg. - there probably hasn't been a whole lot of development on your onboard vid drivers in the last few months...
$50 buck will get you into the game!
Then, save your money for PCI-eXpress on new mobo.
You don't want to put $400 bucks into your old rig, right?
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26. July 2004 @ 09:21 |
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Don't know how long I will have my current computer. I bought it late 2002 Dec sometime. The system came out in Nov 2002, it's getting old, but not accient yet. I don't plan on putting tons of money into this thing no. The most I will do is slap in a DDR 2100 512MB memory chip and a $50 video card and that is bout all she wrote for this system.
Here are my stats.... AMD Athlon 1800+ running at 1.53GHZ, 40gig HD, 384MB DDR 2100 memory, Windows XP home, Upgradable to 1 or 2 gigs of memory...Not to sure which one it is. I'm gonna get another year maybe even 2 out of this thing and buy better for sure. I'm kinda the cheap skate, and poor all at the same time. I'll prolly get another budget Computer do some cheap upgrades to it with Video and extra Ram and that is about it. I checked out some budget machines at Wal-mart a few weeks ago, that's where I bought this HP, well anyway I like the new look of the compaq they are offering at Wally World, but the stats on it aren't much better than what I'm running now, bassically the same thing believe it or not. Now when 3200 memory is considered slower, that is when I will pick up another system... Like 1-2 years from now they will offer a budget machine with 3200 memory. I like to stay up to date with my computers, I just keep buying the slower budget machine of it's time. Thanks for the advice on the video card. I will look into it.
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26. July 2004 @ 09:30 |
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Ok let's have a look at the 9200SE and 9200LE side by side (or rather, top-down but who's keeping track heehee_
9200SE
CORE CLK - 200Mhz (although some are clocked at 250Mhz)
MEM. CLK - 333Mhz
RAMDAC - 400Mhz
MAX MEM - 128MB (although 64MB is much more common)
9200LE
CORE CLK - 250Mhz
MEM. CLK - 330-360Mhz
MEM. WIDTH - 64bit (although 128bit versions exist, they arent common)
MAX MEM - 128MB
GFX5200
CORE CLK - 250Mhz
MEM. CLK - 400Mhz
MEM. WIDTH - 128bit (although I have heard of 64bit versions, i have yet to verify)
MAX MEM - 256MB (although 128MB is probably more common)
If you're gonna stick with ATI, grab the 9200LE as odds are it will be a better performer. Of course The GFX5200 is probably a better choice overall
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26. July 2004 @ 21:55 |
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27. July 2004 @ 06:51 |
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Well all three of those cards are around the same money, give or take a few bucks....I will look into the 5200.. :)
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I use both nivida and ATI. At this time I'm using an ATI so it seems I don't really care if its a chevy or a ford. I buy the one that suits my needs and offers the best value for the price at the time. Without overclocking my card I got 5983 on 3dmark 2003 at its default setting.
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30. July 2004 @ 02:40 |
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What card? Nvidia/ATI and which one?
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30. July 2004 @ 18:22 |
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If windows xp then it has to be ATI as it is much more compatble.Nvidia is a great card but i think ATI is more all round compatible to all oprateing systems.
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How come many people say Nvidia make the MOST compatible cards?
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I think ATI and Nvidia are equal when it comes to compatibility. Either card will work just fine with Windows XP. I got a few friends with Nvidia, and another with an ATI they all use Windows XP and haven't heard about any problems from either of em. I look at it this way, if you're not using Windows XP or at least Windows 2000, then getting a good video card shouldn't really matter anyway, as you need to upgrade everything else anyway.
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[QUOTE]if you're not using Windows XP or at least Windows 2000, then getting a good video card shouldn't really matter anyway, as you need to upgrade everything else anyway[/QUOTE] Not so true! i have had my 2.8ghz , 128mb gf4 , 60gb hd etc running on 98SE for ages and games are very good still!
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31. July 2004 @ 09:05 |
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i have had my 2.8ghz , 128mb gf4 , 60gb hd etc running on 98SE for ages and games are very good still!
Why would you seel your GFX5600 when you can sell the GF4?
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but I think ATI is more all round compatible to all oprateing systems.
Not for linux; it was a pain in the arse to get a couple ATi cards workin ... not that it was easy for my nVidia cards either :P
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31. July 2004 @ 09:56 |
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Come on Praetor lets sort this debate out Nvidia vs ATI.The winner is ATI No1 maker of graphic cards.Why do you think xbox is switching to them because they are the boys on the top at present.There both bluddy good makers of cards its just that ATI seem to have the upper hand at the moment but that can always change fast in the computer world.
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31. July 2004 @ 11:00 |
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i agree
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31. July 2004 @ 15:24 |
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Yeah, maybe
(Canadian, eh?)
But don't forget, ATI has been around forever, NVidia is relative newcomer.
It's Ford vs. Chevy; the discussion is moot.
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Yeh ive so got the A team on my side ATI rules rules
rules rules rules rules rules rules rules rules
Sorry finger stuck on the button again
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31. July 2004 @ 17:06 |
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Come on Praetor lets sort this debate out Nvidia vs ATI.The winner is ATI No1 maker of graphic cards.Why do you think xbox is switching to them because they are the boys on the top at present.There both bluddy good makers of cards its just that ATI seem to have the upper hand at the moment but that can always change fast in the computer world.
WTF is this crap?! If the debate was that friggen simple we wouldnt have nVidia anymore now would we because nobody would be buying them because they "suck so much". Now let's have a look at what you've said:
- Xbox will use an ATI card... wow.... television graphics.... calibrated for what resolution? Considering the first xbox was "so good" and featured a P3-733 ... it doesnt seem that people have very high expectations ... i'm sure with the right marketing an Etch-a-sketch could power the Xbox.
- Secondly -- on paper -- ATi gets a shitkicking.... do you know why? Pixel Shader 3.0 is requirement for DirectX9.0c ... something ATi's flagship line doesnt support. Now that's more of a benifit for nVidia rather than a negative for ATi so let's have a look at the ATi lineup and the nVidia lineups:
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X300
6800
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X600
6800GT
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X800
6800U
Now it doesnt take a genius to quickly realize that a Radeon9800 will kick the crap out of the newer X300 and X600 -- and is a superior card -- it's not a leap of faith to say the 6800 and 6800GT will give those sorry cards a serious lickin. As for the top end flagship cards it seems you fail to realize that the cards are damn near neck-and-neck -- ATi will win here, nVidia will win there. If you're gonna make a blanket statement like you've done -- make sure first that ATi wins everywhere and by noningnificant margins.
- Now in practise: I dont have either card so I'm not gonna talk smack. Now if you're runnin both cards go ahead, lets hear your results.
Conclusion
If the video card market was so simple as to allow for people to say "ATI is the best" or "nVidia is the best" there simply wouldnt be the other company.
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But don't forget, ATI has been around forever, NVidia is relative newcomer
But on the scale of both companies, 5 years here and there doesnt make much of a difference :)
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It's Ford vs. Chevy; the discussion is moot.
Thank's Nephilim for that analogy :D
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31. July 2004 @ 17:29 |
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The winner is ATI No1 maker of graphic cards.
There is no clear winner as far as the top tier cards are concerned. Both perform almost identically. Sure you can read all the benchmarks and draw a useless conclusion because one card scored a few percentage points more than the other in some of the tests but if we're going to talk benchmarks, all of the many I've read have both cards within the margin of error for most all the tests. Those that weren't were so close as be inconsequential in the real world.
There's nothing wrong with being loyal to a company but to make a blanket statement that one sucks and the other reigns supreme is not only unfounded but wrong.
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WTF is this crap?! If the debate was that friggen simple we wouldnt have nVidia anymore now would we because nobody would be buying them because they "suck so much". Now let's have a look at what you've said:
- Xbox will use an ATI card... wow.... television graphics.... calibrated for what resolution? Considering the first xbox was "so good" and featured a P3-733 ... it doesnt seem that people have very high expectations ... i'm sure with the right marketing an Etch-a-sketch could power the Xbox.
- Secondly -- on paper -- ATi gets a shitkicking.... do you know why? Pixel Shader 3.0 is requirement for DirectX9.0c ... something ATi's flagship line doesnt support. Now that's more of a benifit for nVidia rather than a negative for ATi so let's have a look at the ATi lineup and the nVidia lineups:
LOW
X300
6800
MEDIUM
X600
6800GT
HIGH
X800
6800U
Now it doesnt take a genius to quickly realize that a Radeon9800 will kick the crap out of the newer X300 and X600 -- and is a superior card -- it's not a leap of faith to say the 6800 and 6800GT will give those sorry cards a serious lickin. As for the top end flagship cards it seems you fail to realize that the cards are damn near neck-and-neck -- ATi will win here, nVidia will win there. If you're gonna make a blanket statement like you've done -- make sure first that ATi wins everywhere and by noningnificant margins.
- Now in practise: I dont have either card so I'm not gonna talk smack. Now if you're runnin both cards go ahead, lets hear your results.
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If the video card market was so simple as to allow for people to say "ATI is the best" or "nVidia is the best" there simply wouldnt be the other company.
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One hell of a statement Praetor and i know you do your home work but my peronal opinion ATI beats nVidia hands down at present.All my mates have pc's and are like me.All had many of the nVidia cards and switched over.My last nVidia was fantasic with windows me but on xp i had to get update after update and never worked the same as it did on ME.This forced the change to ATI and boy i can get only 1 update for on xp and guess what i do not even need it as it works perfect without.As i said Quote:
There both bluddy good makers of cards its just that ATI seem to have the upper hand at the moment but that can always change fast in the computer world.
So for the time being ATI is the Top card but like you and i pointed out the computer world is fast changing.
Ps Praetor take it easy on the reply or i may need to start using reading glasses.
Thanks
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31. July 2004 @ 20:59 |
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One hell of a statement Praetor and I know you do your home work but my peronal opinion ATI beats nVidia hands down at present.
That's perfectly fine .... an opinion is one thing... a complete blanket statement is another :)
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So for the time being ATI is the Top card
That's exactly what I was saying before -- ATI is NOT the top "card" (aside from the minor technicality that when you say ATI you dont actually mean that -- you specifically are talking about the X800 Platinum -- which is a superb card, and I'm not about to get into a pissing contest about the technicalities there but the fact of the matter is neither the "ATI" nor "nVidia" as you see it is actually a dominant card plain and simple. If it was a case of the ATi card being superior, nVidia wouldnt really be a topic of discussion now would it? ;-)
Now if you want a more useful (and intriguing) comparison, look at the "X" line by ATi and the 6800 line and there's a shocking contrast of marketing/technical strategy :)
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Ps Praetor take it easy on the reply or I may need to start using reading glasses.
You havnt seen my longer posts........
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31. July 2004 @ 21:27 |
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You havnt seen my longer posts........
1,500+ words when he gets going :)
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31. July 2004 @ 21:32 |
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Otester, if your are running a good rig like you say that you have, and are running 98SE, I would have a tough time taking anything else you have to say, seriously. (Said semi-tongue in cheek)
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