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1. August 2004 @ 04:04 |
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1,500+ words when he gets going :)
As i said your the man thanks for that Praetor
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2. August 2004 @ 01:33 |
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Why would you seel your GFX5600 when you can sell the GF4?
1. Its my Dads card, but i could sell it if i wanted to 2. It beats my GFX5600 by miles
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2. August 2004 @ 02:02 |
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At the almost very top end of the scale sits the ATi X800 XT and the NVidia GeForce 6800 ultra. In the UK, current prices are extreme for these cards. £380 (current eq, $650) so i will prpbably be buying what is top now, in just under a year's time. Almost all of my games are Direct3Dm and i don't use 'heavy' games in openGL, so i am of the opinion that the X800 is better for me. Am i right?
to add another question, what sort of performance would i get with:
Unreal tournament 2004 1920x1200 32-bit Preloading skins on, 33-players (max), assault map, all Graphics options at highest (most demanding setup available to my knowledge)
Bearing in mind I have a 3000xp+ CPU and a 70% full Seagate 160GB HDD. As for RAM, though i don't atm, by the time i get the GPU i will probably have 1536MB PC2700.
(another point about an earlier post - 98SE would actually effectively make the system run much faster, just not so stable and you would have to out up with annoying crashes and those bong error messages.
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3. August 2004 @ 18:42 |
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I have until now always used nvidia and was very happy, now i am running an ati 9600pro 256 MB and i love it too. the differance is not that important, as said earlier unless your sitting about instead of running how would you notice. i changed just for the ole look see reason
You really should $#@$%$^%&
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3. August 2004 @ 20:59 |
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Unreal tournament 2004 1920x1200 32-bit Preloading skins on, 33-players (max), assault map, all Graphics options at highest (most demanding setup available to my knowledge)
Doom3 max settings followed by FarCry max settings will annihilate UT. Preloading skins only stresses the system memory rather than the video subsystem
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as said earlier unless your sitting about instead of running how would you notice. I changed just for the ole look see reason
Very well said
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4. August 2004 @ 01:35 |
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Indeed i do know, that was just for reference. But anyhow, i don't see as how i will be getting doom 3 or far cry for a while yet, i have too many other things on my shopping list. I do want doom 3, but its just got a lower priority.
As i hear (though don't yell at me if i'm wrong), Nvidia seem to work better with openGL (doom 3's case) and ATi work better with Direct3D (everything else's case). Plus, in my opinion, Nvidia cards are marginally inferior, not due to performance, but due to the performance : Power consumption ratio. We are agreed that the ATi and NVidia offer almost identical performance levels, but why waste an extra 130W (if you run your pc for 12 hours a day, thats up to 10p per day here) when you can get the same processing power for less electricity? Does anyone agree with that?
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6. August 2004 @ 06:29 |
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6. August 2004 @ 10:07 |
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As I hear (though don't yell at me if i'm wrong), Nvidia seem to work better with openGL (doom 3's case) and ATi work better with Direct3D (everything else's case).
That does seem to be the case although just a couple years back it was the other way around. OpenGL is arguably better from an end-user and performance perspective but a pain in the arse to code with.
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We are agreed that the ATi and NVidia offer almost identical performance levels, but why waste an extra 130W (if you run your pc for 12 hours a day, thats up to 10p per day here)
1. People who can afford the flagship card typically can afford the electricity
2. You can always opt for the midrange card, the 6800GT which has approximately the same power consumption and performance as the X800 (and typically pulls ahead with PS3.0)
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performance : Power consumption ratio
There's also the performance/cost for which the baseline 6800 wins virtually hands-down.
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6. August 2004 @ 10:33 |
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Hey praetor you know when otester started this thread i bet he did not know he was starting a war between ati and NVidia on the consumer front.I see you have battled for both makers and you are doing a great job of being the referee this is going beyond all exspectations
Good on you
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6. August 2004 @ 12:08 |
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Hey praetor you know when otester started this thread I bet he did not know he was starting a war between ati and NVidia on the consumer front.I see you have battled for both makers and you are doing a great job of being the referee this is going beyond all exspectations
I'm glad I have your approval :P
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6. August 2004 @ 12:56 |
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No problem mate keep up the good work just smart yourself up a bit as i have no time for slackers.
Obvoius;y i use to be in the army and no matter how good as you are nothing is enough for the best master
Qick March
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6. August 2004 @ 13:28 |
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I am aiming for a top-spec board and so a midspec one will not suit, but i don't mean about the cost of the extra electricity, I mean the huge waste of energy resources, when there is supposed to be an upcoming energy crisis.
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6. August 2004 @ 13:53 |
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sammorris run for govermant or let them do the worring you get wat is best for you
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7. August 2004 @ 01:52 |
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i dont go by reviews because its another persons opinion which might not be the same as yours, a lot of people said Silent Hunter 2 was shit but i think its wicked and some people dis half-life but thats another brilliant game.
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7. August 2004 @ 05:21 |
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Good on you mate
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10. August 2004 @ 04:28 |
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That signature animation is scaring me..... THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM!! AH-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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10. August 2004 @ 07:01 |
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He scares me
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10. August 2004 @ 07:44 |
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So.... that's why he's there???
Good god, this is so off-topic ;-)
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10. August 2004 @ 08:57 |
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No problem mate we all go off the topic from time to time specially if a good looking bear comes you way.
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10. August 2004 @ 15:30 |
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just smart yourself up a bit as i have no time for slackers.
Just what exactly is that supposed to mean?
My killer sig came courtesy of bb "El Jefe" mayo.
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10. August 2004 @ 18:34 |
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No problem mate keep up the good work just smart yourself up a bit as I have no time for slackers.
Obvoius;y I use to be in the army and no matter how good as you are nothing is enough for the best master
Qick March
In case you somehow missed it, that was sarcasm. As for your "tone" -- watch how you pull rank on some of the Newbies and Juniors -- you're not a mod (nor Senior) so lets not go around dropping the hammer on people quite yet. You have potential for senior -- just make sure you're around for it.
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Good god, this is so off-topic ;-)
Yes it is and if it gets more offtopic, there might be a couple booms thrown around.
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No problem mate we all go off the topic from time to time specially if a good looking bear comes you way.
Not in this section of the forum we dont. You wanna go off topic take it Safety Valve. There's only one warning.
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11. August 2004 @ 08:43 |
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No problem Praetor you know i was just joking as you know i hold the deepest respect for yourself.You have helped me many times and for that and the work you do on this site i really appreciate that.I was just having a few seconds of what i call humour.I know strange man but you are right i will keep to the safety valve.
My apologies
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11. August 2004 @ 09:55 |
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DOOM3 doesn't run better on nVidia because their GL Driver is any better - although ATI's GL driver is 12 months old. It's because nVidia and ID worked hand in hand on the engine. DOOM3 supports functions that are specific to the nVidia GPU.
ATI have released their 4.9 drives 4 weeks in advance - they aren't official - have no support - no WHQL - but they have improved GL drivers - they are supposed to run a lot better in DOOM3 - personally - on my 9800Pro I didn't see much difference - but they seem bug free and don't run any worse.
Also don't forget that DOOM3 is capped at 60 fps - regardless - and the latest ATI's should hit that.
Once Half-Life 2 appears this will all happen again as ATI will have better performance.....blah blah blah...it's all about bragging rights.
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11. August 2004 @ 12:01 |
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To steer on topic again, through fear of being decapitated by Praetor, I have a friend who plays UT04 (sorry its the only high-system-requirement game i own myself and have first hand experiences with, and who i have friends who have to compare with...)
with a GeForce FX 5200 128MB. I have a Radeon 9200 256MB. Yes it has extra memory, but i'm told that doesn't make a vast difference. My GPU absolutely trashes his. Er, the game is a "how it's mena to be played" game, so is doom 3.
I can further back this up, with results on a technical forum (i think the UT04 official forum)
Where they tested various GPUs. If I remember rightly, the results were:
9200-FX5200: Radeon wins
9600-FX5600: Radeon winds
9700-FX5900: GeForce wins
9800XT-FX5950 Ultra: Radeon wins
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X800Pro-6800ultra: Radeon wins (just)
I leave you to meditate.
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11. August 2004 @ 12:40 |
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9200-FX5200: Radeon wins - FX5200 is a joke of a card - should never have been called a DX9 card.
9600-FX5600: Radeon wins - FX5600 again is a crap card - even the Ultra version is slow - the ATI 9600 is decent as far as budget cards go.
9700-FX5900: GeForce wins - at the moment if you want the best bang for your money the FX5900 is the way to go - have seen ASUS ones going cheaper than the slower FX5900XT. You can pick them up for £120 - that's going to be like $160 or so - BARGAIN.
9800XT-FX5950 Ultra: Radeon wins - 9800XT is a very fast card - so that isn't suprising.
X800Pro-6800ultra: Radeon wins - X800's are the fastest card I have seen so far - they have a small fan in comparison to 6800 and it very quiet. 3DMark2003 scores are huge on them.
UT2004 runs on almost anything fast - even onboard Gfx will run it smooth - must be very scalable.
The picture will be clearer when the Catalyst 4.9 drivers are official with the better Open GL driver, along with how Half-Life2 runs on the new Geforce Cards - my bet is there will be very little difference between the two.
Personally I would rather have nVidia - just a personal preference - but I got my 9800Pro for £95 - too big of a bargain to pass up.
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