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Nvidia vs ATI
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Praetor
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3. September 2004 @ 14:04 |
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ATi = Better Value for money and a lot...lot cheaper!
Nvidia = 6800 (i would get it, but tooooooooo expensive) , FX series was shit, GF4 was ok but now aging.
I just have to ask.... where do you read the stuff you read (im assuming you're reading or listening or watching something because quite frankly, for someone -- who's not a 5 year old (and is old enough to drive at that) -- you make very VERY solid impactful statements which have very serious flaws in them. You seem to have a grasp of some concepts but im guessing you're not reading the articles through -- or the articles are horribly flawed and/or you're not applying comon sense because simply for you to make a comment like "ATI is the best, nVidia blows" or something like that and then on the flipside, "WTF is PS3" and "You can make a video card 'generate' more pipelines" -- you simply dont know wtf ur talking about do you?? Because you're in some serious need of tutelage:
ATi = Better Value for money and a lot...lot cheaper!
Last Generation
- The best value/performance card they have is the 9800Pro (and maybe the 9600Pro, ill cover both).
- The 9800Pro is in the 220USD ballpark. The 9600Pro is in thr 150USD ballpark, the 9600XT significantly more. Someone please correct me if im horribly wrong on the prices
- The best value/performance card nVidia has is the 5900XT. It weighs in a 175USD
- The 5900XT is, in damn near every respect, an equal match for the 9800Pro and for $15 more than the 9600 series, well worth the investment.
Current Generation
- The best money/perf card ATi has is probably the X800Pro (baseline), if anyone's got a better idea, let's hear it.
- The best money/perf card nVidia has is probably the 6800GT and regardless of how your biases go, the 6800GT is a better deal handsdown.
- Hell even the baseline 6800 weighing in at $280USD will dominate the 9800Pro and cost only $60 more.
Nvidia = 6800 (i would get it, but tooooooooo expensive) , FX series was shit, GF4 was ok but now aging.
Ive been thoroughly convinced you dont know jack about what ur talking about but its just funny to note:
1. For a guy who's parents are gonna buy him everything, I dont see money as being a concern even though the 6800 as you note, is cheaper than the X800 by a factor of 2-1; again somebody correct me if my economics are off
2. Even if your parents arent paying for everything, for someone who said they were gonna get the latest and greatest for HL2, I dont see why the very affordable 6800 (compared in a performance/price manner) is a problem
3. If you think the FX series was shit and the GF4 was ok and you're not dumb enough to compare between classes of cards then you really need to go tell whoever is feeding you this information to screw off and go learn a thing or two.
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Not sure - that is going back 18 months or more - I don't remember if the original 9700 was a DX8.1 or DX9 - are you thinking of the 9500?
Dead positive, the cards of the series at the time were the 9000, 9500 and 9700. They were all DX8.1 cards. Whether they still are is something for the ATI-peeps to tell me :)
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I think the 9700 came out some time before the 5800 so the 4600 would have been the only nVidia cards to compare it too. I honestly can't remember.
- Mostly correct, the Ti4600 came out and stomped on everything for about 6 months and come March 2003, the 9700 came out and was the first card to begin to test the 4600 as the dominant player on the market. The 4600 and 9700 were mostly on par winning and losing some benchmarks each although I think the 9700 had the edge.
- Come May (or June), the 9800 came out and stomped all over everything. The 5800 was released (most likely as a stopgate than anything) to deal with it and it was by far and large a superior card but crippled by a 128bit memory interface and thus ended up losing out. The 5900 corrected that flaw.
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The forums at rage3d are full of people complaining about performance issues - in some cases a 9700 is detected as a 9500 cutting the number of rendering pipelines in half. FSAA is still problematic in the latest drivers.
Shit I guess im lucky the Linux box I have is running a Rage128 ... slow enough that even crappy drivers cant make it any slower :P
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in my opinion, the Windows drivers are more stable too.
Agreed, whereas nVidia drivers add more performance and features to their cards, ATI drivers add more stability :P
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3. September 2004 @ 22:14 |
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i would rather have a card which is very stable than a card which is sooooooooooooo fast the pc restarts every 10 seconds.
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Praetor
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4. September 2004 @ 08:32 |
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i would rather have a card which is very stable than a card which is sooooooooooooo fast the pc restarts every 10 seconds.
No video card on the planet has ever caused a computer to restart because it was "so fast" -- but then again if nVidia is so slow and as you say, "they're shit" ... why go buy ATI if they're so fast cuz that will just cause your computer to restart?
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4. September 2004 @ 09:09 |
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No video card on the planet has ever caused a computer to restart because it was "so fast"
that was an example!
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why go buy ATI if they're so fast cuz that will just cause your computer to restart?
its the other way round actually, ATi are the most stablist and nvidia isnt as stable!
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Praetor
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4. September 2004 @ 11:18 |
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that was an example!
An example of what???
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its the other way round actually, ATi are the most stablist and nvidia isnt as stable!
I see you missed the subtlety (sorry I keep remembering you saying you're not a 5 year old and make assumptions). If ATi is more stable then by your own arguement it's a slower card but then you've been known to say that ATI cards are so much faster .... there, not so subtle.
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4. September 2004 @ 11:28 |
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hey ppl, need sum help with a graphics card. I want to buy a new one (currently have a GeForce FX 5200 which came with my pc which i bought last year) and dont mind which brand. I have roughly £200 to spend and am running the following:
Windows XP Pro SP2
Athlon XP 2600+
1 Gig RAM PC2700
240GB
Any replies would b great, thanx.
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Praetor
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4. September 2004 @ 15:29 |
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You're best bet is to grab something like the GeForce6800 and then use the extra $100USD leftover somewhere else :)
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6. September 2004 @ 08:12 |
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Well, despite its scarcity, ive ordered an X800XT, and hopefully when the next batch arrives mine will get delivered. If not, who knows how long i'll have to wait...
My PC is running a bit hot as it is, and i'm sure that with a card that requires a 480W PSU lots of heat will be generated. It may not stay with the card due to the fan, but its either going to heat up the case or heat up me. Not something i want, my room is hot enough already.
In my case, as long as ATi's drivers work adequately for windows, i don't really mind. Besides, the x800xt is only beaten on performance by a reasonable margin in Doom 3, one single game.
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6. September 2004 @ 10:29 |
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you will get a hell of an improvement with 400 memory, I would recommend kingston, corsair etc. this would compliment your 6800 really rather well!
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Praetor
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6. September 2004 @ 11:04 |
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In case anyone was confused (like me :P) that was a reply to two threads above :)
But sersiously, PC2700 can OC to CP3200 no sweat :)
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6. September 2004 @ 15:23 |
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Besides, the x800xt is only beaten on performance by a reasonable margin in Doom 3, one single game.
Keep in mind how many future titles will be built on the Doom 3 engine though :)
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7. September 2004 @ 05:33 |
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Well that is really the biggest reason ID makes games like Doom 3 - to show off the engine so they can sell it.
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7. September 2004 @ 06:06 |
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And WHAT an engine, it's really something...
(Have played my way through to 'Hell' - medium difficulty not so easy anymore!)
You've gotta be crazy to buy a new vidcard right now.
Wait until Jan.2005 or so.
People buying these cards newly-released, for 500-600-700 dollars, are gonna feel foolish when the previous generation disappears and prices fall by 1/2.
Could be either nVidia or ATI though... (I'll let ya know :-)
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8. September 2004 @ 07:59 |
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lol when my friend tried to overclock his RAM (PC2100) he got from 266mhz to 267mhz. 268 meant it failed. But then he was using really cheap stuff.
Is there any point having RAM faster than your front side bus though? Because my FSB is 333, and i have PC2700.
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Praetor
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13. September 2004 @ 03:01 |
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New question = new thread. :)
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buxton
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13. September 2004 @ 10:51 |
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Well he is a Moderator - his job is to Moderate the forum.
This is an nVidia v ATI thread - it will spiral out of control if it becomes a "General Hardware" thread.
If he didn't say something the forum would become a mess.
I don't know what I am doing.
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Praetor
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14. September 2004 @ 13:30 |
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Thread terminated for stupidity.
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