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lhallct
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2. August 2004 @ 07:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
newfie, I have another suggestion for you. I would buy a few DVD+RW or DVD-RW discs for testing purposes. So you dont waste any more discs while we are working on this issue. I purchased a 10 pack of Sony DVD+RW media to use while fixing my burn issues, and for using Ghost to image my harddrives.
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2. August 2004 @ 18:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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The final and most important fix was getting the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels set back to DMA. I accomplished this by installing the latest firmware (reflashing) for each of my drives
What??? To change your IDE settings from PIO back to DMA, you just uninstall the IDE channel .. reboot and let XP re-install it.
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The first solution would remove what is probably a generic driver windows loaded during the re-installation
Which driver is this? I just did a clean install, and all is well :)
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I wish you had not re-installed windows. It may take a little longer to solve your problem now
Not true, for me this solves my problems faster.
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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall
Are you serious, let's be honest on our times. If I read this correctly you can do a dvd backup from start to finish (acheived reading and writing total times) using XCopy in under 20 minutes? Bullshit!! I've got an older p3, XP Pro, 384mb of sdram and it is alot longer than 20 min. Even using my Dell, the process start to finish is around 45min.
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I would buy a few DVD+RW or DVD-RW discs for testing purposes
(IMO) The only good advice you've given.
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If you need help reflashing your drive or drives. No problem, I have done this a few times for sure. It should only take 5 minutes or less to reflash two drives
You do know an improperly flashed drive can ruin your drive, which is why I don't recommend doing. What I do recommend is updating the firmware from the manufactures website.

@newfie,

You've got v4.0.3.8, you've got finalizing problems. Have you ever installed a aspi layer? If so, which one? If not, get one ... http://cgi.tripod.com/321ripforum/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=321gen;action=display;num=1090752183






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2. August 2004 @ 20:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes
That's just plain silly.

Before your foot goes in your mouth please tell us with what drives you're achieving this. Any old idiot can claim your times (and they have before) but why don't you back it up? Tell us what drives you're using.



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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall
Yes but reading and writing to and from virtual drives doesnt count.

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3. August 2004 @ 06:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
My drives are:

Read Drive - Sony's CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive
CRX300A

Write/Burn Drive - TDK Internal Indi DVD 8x+/8x- Multiformat Burner

Any more questions? And you have my work toll free number, as I said I am not a liar. But After months of working on this, and over 130 burns. I think I know what I am doing. Don't call me to just call me a liar! However, if you are serious about acheiving what I have acheived, then by all means give me a call or send me an email. I have no problem helping someone out. Believe me, I learned the hard way. Through these forums and trial and error! I am just tired of people bashing DVDXcopy, believe me, when I say that I was ready to give up many times. And switch to other programs mentioned on these forums. But I am not a quitter, so I just hung in there until I figured things out! Now for you skeptics, I am willing to video my process (from start to finish) for any movie, that you choose, and that I have or can get!

My computer info:

Intel Pentium III 1.3GHZ with 256MB

Video Card - Savage, I can get this

8.4G harddrive with Win2000 Pro (I dont really use it, it was my old OS)

80G harddrive with WinXP (I needed a larger drive for burning and video editing)

All WinXP updates have been installed
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3. August 2004 @ 07:29 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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The final and most important fix was getting the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels set back to DMA. I accomplished this by installing the latest firmware (reflashing) for each of my drives
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What??? To change your IDE settings from PIO back to DMA, you just uninstall the IDE channel .. reboot and let XP re-install it.

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The first solution would remove what is probably a generic driver windows loaded during the re-installation
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Which driver is this? I just did a clean install, and all is well :)

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I wish you had not re-installed windows. It may take a little longer to solve your problem now
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Not true, for me this solves my problems faster.


Answer: What I was saying was that it was not necessary to re-install windows in order to fix your problem. That is the brute force method, does it work, I guess in your case. The reflashing did work the first time (a month and half ago, two key things I did, one I just mentioned, the second was removing InterActual, mentioned on 321Studio blacklist, polls your drives). However, after installing this last Windows update, it did not work this time, I had to uninstall the Secondary IDE Controller. By the way which I got from reading on these forums. And Windows does re-install it on bootup, solved my problem!

As far as reflashing your drive issue, I did not think I needed to spell this out. But the manufacturer is the only place to get the latest firmware for your drives! Again, the links to each manufacturer can be found on the forums. Or through a internet search. Download the appropiate driver for your drive. If you use common sense, you should have no problem. Don't have other programs running, follow all of the instructions given be the flash utility, etc... I have done this many times and not once did I have any problem!

Nephilim, I have listed my drives for you and others!

Praetor, no virtual drives are used, just my 80G Western Digital 7200RPM harddrive.

P.S. I heard of similar claims, one came from an SBC DSL Phone Tech, that I was talking to about a DSL issue. And while we were talking he mentioned that he uses DVDXcopy Platinum. And that he is able to burn a typical movie in 20 minutes. At the time I thought he was crazy too. However, what that did was motivate me to continue my pursuit of the fastest possible reads and writes. And to my total satisfaction, not only did I acheive his best time but I exceeded it by almost two minutes! How often does this happen, not very often, maybe one in 20 movies or so. But it can and does is the key!
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3. August 2004 @ 08:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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If you need help reflashing your drive or drives. No problem, I have done this a few times for sure. It should only take 5 minutes or less to reflash two drives
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You do know an improperly flashed drive can ruin your drive, which is why I don't recommend doing. What I do recommend is updating the firmware from the manufactures website.
Flashing your drive and updating the firmware is the SAME THING. You have to flash your firmware to the drive's ROM. Flashing can not ruin your drive, it can make it inopperable, which is why most firmware flash software gives you the option of backing up your old firmware before replacing it. If the new firmware doesn't work, you can flash the backup back and it's to the original state.

I can tell you right now, the purpose of flashing firmware is to correct conflicts between various operating enviroments and the drive's performance. The first thing you should do in a problem such as this, after you check to make sure your transfer mode is DMA, is to flash your firmware.

lhallct: The firmware will not be reset by windows at all, however you were right that transfer mode and aspi layer might. And you were right about checking the transfer mode then flashing the firmware. Don't let this guy bug you because he's got a chip on his shoulder.



So newfie: What I suggest you do is get the manufactuerer and model number of your opitical drives, head over to manufacturer websites and check their support sections for firmware updates to the drives you own. If that doesn't yeild results, can visit www.rpc1.com which has a ton of firmware for all various dvd-rom/+/-r/rw drives. Depending on the manufactuerer's flashing software, you may have to boot into a dos prompt with a boot disk to update, but REMEMBER to back up the your current firmware before flashing.

If that does not work, then it's most likely a problem with your aspi layer, I went through great lengths with aspi problems on my plextor cd-rw when I first got Windows XP, and I can tell you it's annoying.

Also: I'm familiar with the DVD Decrypter error that says Hardware or Drive Lock Failure or something of that sort. This is benign, when I've experienced it, it was going back to back from one back up to the next after all the reading had been complete for several disks. DVD Decrypter doesn't even start the burn in that case, I clicked okay and immediately started the burn again with success. I believe it was because Windows was recognizing the blank dvd still as I tried to start the burn at the same time.

Hope that helps a little bit.

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3. August 2004 @ 09:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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lhallct: The firmware will not be reset by windows at all, however you were right that transfer mode and aspi layer might. And you were right about checking the transfer mode then flashing the firmware. Don't let this guy bug you because he's got a chip on his shoulder.

negatyve, I did not say that the firmware would get reset by Windows. What I said was that when you install a Windows update or other software, it can change your Secondary IDE Controller Current Transfer Mode to PIO. Which has happened to me more than once! And that reflashing your drive(s) can fix this problem. This is provided everything was working fine to begin with. Or sometimes you may need to uninstall your Secondary IDE Controller to be able to switch back to Ultra DMA 2 transfer mode. Windows will re-install it on boot up. And negatyve you are right about an updated version of the drives firmware can resolve communication issues. However, even with the latest firmware you can still have problems. If you have programs talking to your drive(s) (polling, see 321Studio blacklist for starters). And thanks for the pat on the back! These guys, dont bother me, because they don't believe me, I am willing to back up what I am saying any time! Because I know that I am not lying, and I have proved it too myself well over 100 times. I think I am now over 130 Plus burns. My offer still stands for additional proof, videoing any one of my burns! I cannot tell you guy's how many hours (many nights until 3am in the morning) I have put in, to get this not only to work. But consistently, burn after burn, whether it is 1 burn or 20 in a row. Which I have done, and many 5 to 10 burns in a row. I am a firm believer in no pain, no gain, which I have lived by. Two degree's, an ASEE, Associate degree in Electrical Engineering, BSCS, Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. This is not to say that I am a genious or something, no not at all. I struggle with somethings just like anyone else. And I did with using DVDXcopy Platinum, under WinXP Pro, with two different burners, two different processors, etc... But, what I am not is a liar! So to you guy's that want to call me a liar, put up or shut up. And once I have proven you wrong, I want a formal appology in this forum! That's if you are man enough, I know I am!
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Now that I'm more awake (last post was 1:39 A.M.) and have fully read the thread I see now that you're 20 min claims were for single layer discs for which the times are correct. So my foot is in my mouth on that point.

I must still digress from your recommendation of Xcopy. I absolutely fail to see the wisdom and point to recommending software that, as you have attested, takes a lot of time and trouble to get working correctly.

It is the only app with software blacklist, a nag screen, and no official support because the company has shut it's doors.

The fact that so many people have had problems with this software cannot be denied and to imply that folks are lazy and unwilling to surmount the problems of this software isn't right. People have paid $$$ for this software and should reasonably expect the software to work without hours of troubleshooting.

Your 20 min. rip/burn times have nothing to do with XCopy, it has to do with the fact that no compression is required. These times can be duplicated with any standard backup software.

As far as resulting quality, it can be met or exceeded by numerous apps. The freeware DVD Shrink can meet or exceed the final quality that XCopy produces - I've used both.


DVD XCopy

+ Easy 1-click solution

- Costs money
- Software blacklisting
- Nag screen that must either be removed with other software or just tolerated.
- No more official support
- Will no longer be updated.
- Average picture quality


DVD Shrink

+ Easy 1 click w/DVD Decrypter or Nero installed
+ Freeware
+ No software blacklisting
+ No nag screens
+ Support through numerous websites and knowledgable users.
+ Regularly updated with fixes and new features
+ Picture quality varies from average to outstanding depending on what settings you prefer.

- lhallct, you tell me.



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3. August 2004 @ 10:19 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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And once I have proven you wrong, I want a formal appology in this forum!
To anyone who buys XCopy based on your recommendation, I believe you will owe them a formal apology.



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3. August 2004 @ 13:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Nephilim

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Now that I'm more awake (last post was 1:39 A.M.) and have fully read the thread I see now that you're 20 min claims were for single layer discs for which the times are correct. So my foot is in my mouth on that point.

I must still digress from your recommendation of Xcopy. I absolutely fail to see the wisdom and point to recommending software that, as you have attested, takes a lot of time and trouble to get working correctly.

It is the only app with software blacklist, a nag screen, and no official support because the company has shut it's doors.

The fact that so many people have had problems with this software cannot be denied and to imply that folks are lazy and unwilling to surmount the problems of this software isn't right. People have paid $$$ for this software and should reasonably expect the software to work without hours of troubleshooting.

Your 20 min. rip/burn times have nothing to do with XCopy, it has to do with the fact that no compression is required. These times can be duplicated with any standard backup software.

As far as resulting quality, it can be met or exceeded by numerous apps. The freeware DVD Shrink can meet or exceed the final quality that XCopy produces - I've used both.


DVD XCopy

+ Easy 1-click solution

- Costs money
- Software blacklisting
- Nag screen that must either be removed with other software or just tolerated.
- No more official support
- Will no longer be updated.
- Average picture quality


DVD Shrink

+ Easy 1 click w/DVD Decrypter or Nero installed
+ Freeware
+ No software blacklisting
+ No nag screens
+ Support through numerous websites and knowledgable users.
+ Regularly updated with fixes and new features
+ Picture quality varies from average to outstanding depending on what settings you prefer.

- lhallct, you tell me.


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To anyone who buys XCopy based on your recommendation, I believe you will owe them a formal apology.

Responce #1: Well first off I would like to say, that most of my problems could have been avoided if I would have read and followed the manufacturer(s) recommendation. That goes for TDK, Sony, and 321Studio. Yes, I agree with your synopsis, nag screen, blacklist, etc.. That DVDXcopy is not a software application, that will run perfectly out of the box! But then again what is, I don't know of anyone that has not had software or hardware problems. And therefore had to do some troubleshooting, do you? In addition, when you are troubleshooting software and or hardware. It is a time comsuming tedious task to say the least! However, in the case of DVDXcopy and might I say most software, the solution is usually quite simple. But finding the culprit is usually not (processes running in the background taking up cpu resources, outdated firmware, OS not up to date, software conflicts, IRQ conflicts etc. need I say more)! As far as the 20 minute rip/burn time is concered, If you or anyone else has not resolved the PIO/DMA memory issue, your times will be much longer than that! Also, if you or anyone else has not resolved the polling issue if one exists. Then you will have much longer times and potential crashes etc.. To sum everything up, I would like to just say that I like DVDXcopy, and its quality and simplicity are good enough for me! And yes, it did take some effort to get it working, but it was worth it for me, and I think it will be for others. I just want to help anyone that may be interested in getting DVDXcopy to work correctly and consistently, as quickly as possible. And therefore save themselves hours of frustration. Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.

Responce #2: As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions. They will be up and running in no time! They will have quickly benefited from my pain and effort, you know the old adage, "Knowledge is Power"!
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3. August 2004 @ 13:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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That DVDXcopy is not a software application, that will run perfectly out of the box!
That's absolutely unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

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I don't know of anyone that has not had software or hardware problems. And therefore had to do some troubleshooting, do you?
Yes I do and now so do you. I've never (yes, never) had a problem with DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter, CloneDVD2 or BlindWrite5 related to hardware, software conflicts or system settings- all are burning apps. They've all run perfectly fine from the moment they were installed.


You trumpet all of your reading and research as a great way to resolve issues whereas I used all my reading and reasearch as a great way to avoid issues.

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Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.
Then welcome aboard because with 321 no longer supporting their products we can use someone who actually likes XCopy and still uses it.

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As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions.
A moot point since the software will no longer be sold.



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I downloaded force aspi 1.8 unzipped it into my docuents folder. Is there anything else to do for installation?

After reinstalling windows and disabling Norton AV and Norton personal firewall, x copy platinum finally did a full burn, but it wouldn't play in either my pc or console dvd.

Haven't tried the flashing drive thing yet. Will try some other disks too.
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Hi newfie,

My usual course for ForceASPI is to run KILLASPI first so I can start with a clean slate, reboot, then run INSTASPI, reboot, then check the install with ASPICHK which can be found here:

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?cat=%2fProduct%2fEZ-SCSI_5.0&filekey=aspichk.exe&sess=no

A correct install for version 1.8 should have all four entries listed as 4.71.2.


If you listed it before and I missed it, what is the make/model of your drive?

Keeping the firmware up to date goes a long way towards good burns since newer firmwares add media compatibility and better write strategies.



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Well after over a 100 more burns I can say without a doubt my problems are solved. I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall.
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One click, and I walk away and 20 minutes later, ahhhhhhhhhh the simplicity of it all.
With those two statements, I took it as all of your burns take 20 mins. That is why I said BS.

Then you come back an say this:
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How often does this happen, not very often, maybe one in 20 movies or so. But it can and does is the key!
Note: Maybe 5% of the time. It would have been different if you said at times you've achieved reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes.

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So to you guy's that want to call me a liar, put up or shut up.
My test results :-)
My Dell -
P4 2.8Ghz, XP Pro, 1.5GB RDRAM
TDK840G 8x burner
200GB HD (doesn't really matter)
ATI 9000 Pro (doesn't really matter)
XCopy Platinum, simple mode(XPress), movie only
Movie 3.96GB
Total time: 11 minutes

My Gateway-
P3 500Mhz, XP Pro, 384MB SDRAM
NEC 2100A 8x burner
160GB HD (doesn't really matter)
basic nVidia video card (doesn't really matter)
XCopy Platinum, simple mode, movie only
Movie 3.79GB
Total time: 26 minutes

Again look at the first two quotes. Next time be a little more clear that you've achieved this maybe 5% of the time and add the size of the source(dvd-5).

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Believe me when I say, I have seen and resolved many issues with DVDXcopy, everything from Encrypted data errors, DVDXcopy crashing after starting the read, partial burns, slow reading, slow burns, etc...
Believe you? Do you think you are the only one? There was a reason why I questioned your 100+burns while achieving the 20minute process time.

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There are alot of people on these forums that bash DVDXcopy.
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I am just tired of people bashing DVDXcopy
Before you say this one more time, let me tell you I'm not one of them.

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And once I have proven you wrong, I want a formal appology in this forum! That's if you are man enough, I know I am!
Appology ... I don't think so. How about you be a little more clear the first time :)

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As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions.
Question: For those who buy XCopy based on your recommendation, what is your suggestions how to get the product activated?

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I just want to help anyone that may be interested in getting DVDXcopy to work correctly and consistently, as quickly as possible. And therefore save themselves hours of frustration. Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.
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if they follow a few simple suggestions. They will be up and running in no time! They will have quickly benefited from my pain and effort, you know the old adage, "Knowledge is Power"!

Since your so knowledgeable and so willing to help, please help in this forum:
http://dvdxcopy.afterdawn.com/

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Don't let this guy bug you because he's got a chip on his shoulder.
@negatyve,

What chip might that be?


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Went to run, typed killaspi - windows couldn't find it.
Entered instaspi couldn't find that either.

My dvd burner is HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N internal drive.
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Went to run, typed killaspi - windows couldn't find it.
Entered instaspi couldn't find that either.
newfie,

You said you unzipped it into your documents. Open "My Documents" -> open force 1.8 folder -> click "KILLASPI" -> reboot. Do the same thing, except click "INSTASPI", then reboot again.

Then run aspi check.

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Hello all,
I've been summons by,in my opinion,one of the most respected and articulate persons in this forum...
That person has most consistently troubleshot and resolve more Xcopy issues than most 321ers that I know. And believe me, I know quite a few.
Now about the 20 minute rip/ burn times with Xcopy software.
If the movie is none css or maybe a single layer movie, I can see, maybe, 20 min. and under. But a dual layer movie with a Pentium 3, and much less, 256 mb ram!!!. Thats quite remarkable!!!!!
I worked for 321studios for 1.5 years, almost since birth and have never run across a feat like this.
You are truely a phenomenon and it is my priveledge to be in your forum.
So KUDOS to you,lhallct, for making the impossible, possible.
Please educate us all.
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3. August 2004 @ 19:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Nephilim:

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Hi newfie,

My usual course for ForceASPI is to run KILLASPI first so I can start with a clean slate, reboot, then run INSTASPI, reboot, then check the install with ASPICHK which can be found here:

http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=9388&m=5&url=http%3A//www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp%3Fcat%3D%252fProduct%252fEZ-SCSI_5.0%26filekey%3Daspichk.exe%26sess%3Dno

A correct install for version 1.8 should have all four entries listed as 4.71.2.


This link, to chec aspi says it doesn't work with windows xp among others. Refers reader to: "Use the new ASPI 4.70 driver found under SCSI Software downloads instead."

There was no link, and I couldn't find the appropriate site in Google.

Did all the steps your recommended otherwise, re: aspi

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newfie,

It works on XP.

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Hi all,
Been reading your delemor,I have been using Express and then Platinum for about 1 year and have found the best way is to uninstall DVD Platinum/Express from the add/remove folder and then go through your hard drives and remove anythig to do with 321,Platinum or Express and then re-install the program (and updates upto version 4,[do not install any update that has a version 4 in it]).Now do a Defrag/Re-start and you will find a marked diferrence. If this does,nt work when burning,then burn it through DVD Rescue.
It may take longer, But it seems to burn 99% of the DVD,s i have had trouble with.
Remember some DVD,s will not copy/burn no matter what you do (believe me i,ve tried)but if you get a stubborn one, try to copy/burn it with Rescue.
Note- I have found that 321 programs do not like Ad-aware,Spybot-search and destroy or Roxie cd/dvd when copying.
I suggest you uninstall these programs b4 you try to burn and then re-install after.
best of luck
lhallct
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Hello all,
I've been summons by,in my opinion,one of the most respected and articulate persons in this forum...
That person has most consistently troubleshot and resolve more Xcopy issues than most 321ers that I know. And believe me, I know quite a few.
Now about the 20 minute rip/ burn times with Xcopy software.
If the movie is none css or maybe a single layer movie, I can see, maybe, 20 min. and under. But a dual layer movie with a Pentium 3, and much less, 256 mb ram!!!. Thats quite remarkable!!!!!
I worked for 321studios for 1.5 years, almost since birth and have never run across a feat like this.
You are truely a phenomenon and it is my priveledge to be in your forum.
So KUDOS to you,lhallct, for making the impossible, possible.
Please educate us all.

Responce: Let me say this one more time, the read speed is totally dependant on the quality of the source DVD! Obviously this is provided you have no issues. My under 20 minute times have all been associated with a mint or near mint original source DVD. Even the slightest scratch or smudge can add time. Unfortunately, most of my originals are not perfect or even close to it (kids etc.). Just for you, I will send you a video AVI file showing this truely remarkable feat! That you have ascertained, is truely remarkable and no one else on this earth can acheive, ummmmmm. What will thou sayest, when err you see with your own eyes, this remarkable feat? I know, the video is a lie too! It should be interesting, to hear your responce then, in addition, I will post my computer information using SiSoft's Sandra utility.
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lhallct
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2 August 2004 11:51
newfie, I have another suggestion for you. I would buy a few DVD+RW or DVD-RW discs for testing purposes. So you dont waste any more discs while we are working on this issue. I purchased a 10 pack of Sony DVD+RW media to use while fixing my burn issues, and for using Ghost to image my harddrives.
flip218
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2 August 2004 22:09
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The final and most important fix was getting the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels set back to DMA. I accomplished this by installing the latest firmware (reflashing) for each of my drives
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What??? To change your IDE settings from PIO back to DMA, you just uninstall the IDE channel .. reboot and let XP re-install it.

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The first solution would remove what is probably a generic driver windows loaded during the re-installation
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Which driver is this? I just did a clean install, and all is well :)

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I wish you had not re-installed windows. It may take a little longer to solve your problem now
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Not true, for me this solves my problems faster.

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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall
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Are you serious, let's be honest on our times. If I read this correctly you can do a dvd backup from start to finish (acheived reading and writing total times) using XCopy in under 20 minutes? Bullshit!! I've got an older p3, XP Pro, 384mb of sdram and it is alot longer than 20 min. Even using my Dell, the process start to finish is around 45min.

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I would buy a few DVD+RW or DVD-RW discs for testing purposes
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(IMO) The only good advice you've given.

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If you need help reflashing your drive or drives. No problem, I have done this a few times for sure. It should only take 5 minutes or less to reflash two drives
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You do know an improperly flashed drive can ruin your drive, which is why I don't recommend doing. What I do recommend is updating the firmware from the manufactures website.

@newfie,

You've got v4.0.3.8, you've got finalizing problems. Have you ever installed a aspi layer? If so, which one? If not, get one ... http://cgi.tripod.com/321ripforum/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=321gen;action=display;num=1090752183





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Nephilim
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3 August 2004 00:39
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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes
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That's just plain silly.

Before your foot goes in your mouth please tell us with what drives you're achieving this. Any old idiot can claim your times (and they have before) but why don't you back it up? Tell us what drives you're using.
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I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall
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Yes but reading and writing to and from virtual drives doesnt count.

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lhallct
Newbie
3 August 2004 10:40
My drives are:

Read Drive - Sony's CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive
CRX300A

Write/Burn Drive - TDK Internal Indi DVD 8x+/8x- Multiformat Burner

Any more questions? And you have my work toll free number, as I said I am not a liar. But After months of working on this, and over 130 burns. I think I know what I am doing. Don't call me to just call me a liar! However, if you are serious about acheiving what I have acheived, then by all means give me a call or send me an email. I have no problem helping someone out. Believe me, I learned the hard way. Through these forums and trial and error! I am just tired of people bashing DVDXcopy, believe me, when I say that I was ready to give up many times. And switch to other programs mentioned on these forums. But I am not a quitter, so I just hung in there until I figured things out! Now for you skeptics, I am willing to video my process (from start to finish) for any movie, that you choose, and that I have or can get!

My computer info:

Intel Pentium III 1.3GHZ with 256MB

Video Card - Savage, I can get this

8.4G harddrive with Win2000 Pro (I dont really use it, it was my old OS)

80G harddrive with WinXP (I needed a larger drive for burning and video editing)

All WinXP updates have been installed
lhallct
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3 August 2004 11:29
flip218

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The final and most important fix was getting the Primary and Secondary IDE Channels set back to DMA. I accomplished this by installing the latest firmware (reflashing) for each of my drives
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What??? To change your IDE settings from PIO back to DMA, you just uninstall the IDE channel .. reboot and let XP re-install it.

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The first solution would remove what is probably a generic driver windows loaded during the re-installation
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Which driver is this? I just did a clean install, and all is well :)

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Not true, for me this solves my problems faster.


Answer: What I was saying was that it was not necessary to re-install windows in order to fix your problem. That is the brute force method, does it work, I guess in your case. The reflashing did work the first time (a month and half ago, two key things I did, one I just mentioned, the second was removing InterActual, mentioned on 321Studio blacklist, polls your drives). However, after installing this last Windows update, it did not work this time, I had to uninstall the Secondary IDE Controller. By the way which I got from reading on these forums. And Windows does re-install it on bootup, solved my problem!

As far as reflashing your drive issue, I did not think I needed to spell this out. But the manufacturer is the only place to get the latest firmware for your drives! Again, the links to each manufacturer can be found on the forums. Or through a internet search. Download the appropiate driver for your drive. If you use common sense, you should have no problem. Don't have other programs running, follow all of the instructions given be the flash utility, etc... I have done this many times and not once did I have any problem!

Nephilim, I have listed my drives for you and others!

Praetor, no virtual drives are used, just my 80G Western Digital 7200RPM harddrive.

P.S. I heard of similar claims, one came from an SBC DSL Phone Tech, that I was talking to about a DSL issue. And while we were talking he mentioned that he uses DVDXcopy Platinum. And that he is able to burn a typical movie in 20 minutes. At the time I thought he was crazy too. However, what that did was motivate me to continue my pursuit of the fastest possible reads and writes. And to my total satisfaction, not only did I acheive his best time but I exceeded it by almost two minutes! How often does this happen, not very often, maybe one in 20 movies or so. But it can and does is the key!
negatyve
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3 August 2004 12:50
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If you need help reflashing your drive or drives. No problem, I have done this a few times for sure. It should only take 5 minutes or less to reflash two drives
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You do know an improperly flashed drive can ruin your drive, which is why I don't recommend doing. What I do recommend is updating the firmware from the manufactures website.
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Flashing your drive and updating the firmware is the SAME THING. You have to flash your firmware to the drive's ROM. Flashing can not ruin your drive, it can make it inopperable, which is why most firmware flash software gives you the option of backing up your old firmware before replacing it. If the new firmware doesn't work, you can flash the backup back and it's to the original state.

I can tell you right now, the purpose of flashing firmware is to correct conflicts between various operating enviroments and the drive's performance. The first thing you should do in a problem such as this, after you check to make sure your transfer mode is DMA, is to flash your firmware.

lhallct: The firmware will not be reset by windows at all, however you were right that transfer mode and aspi layer might. And you were right about checking the transfer mode then flashing the firmware. Don't let this guy bug you because he's got a chip on his shoulder.



So newfie: What I suggest you do is get the manufactuerer and model number of your opitical drives, head over to manufacturer websites and check their support sections for firmware updates to the drives you own. If that doesn't yeild results, can visit www.rpc1.com which has a ton of firmware for all various dvd-rom/+/-r/rw drives. Depending on the manufactuerer's flashing software, you may have to boot into a dos prompt with a boot disk to update, but REMEMBER to back up the your current firmware before flashing.

If that does not work, then it's most likely a problem with your aspi layer, I went through great lengths with aspi problems on my plextor cd-rw when I first got Windows XP, and I can tell you it's annoying.

Also: I'm familiar with the DVD Decrypter error that says Hardware or Drive Lock Failure or something of that sort. This is benign, when I've experienced it, it was going back to back from one back up to the next after all the reading had been complete for several disks. DVD Decrypter doesn't even start the burn in that case, I clicked okay and immediately started the burn again with success. I believe it was because Windows was recognizing the blank dvd still as I tried to start the burn at the same time.

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lhallct
Newbie
3 August 2004 13:34
negatyve

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lhallct: The firmware will not be reset by windows at all, however you were right that transfer mode and aspi layer might. And you were right about checking the transfer mode then flashing the firmware. Don't let this guy bug you because he's got a chip on his shoulder.

negatyve, I did not say that the firmware would get reset by Windows. What I said was that when you install a Windows update or other software, it can change your Secondary IDE Controller Current Transfer Mode to PIO. Which has happened to me more than once! And that reflashing your drive(s) can fix this problem. This is provided everything was working fine to begin with. Or sometimes you may need to uninstall your Secondary IDE Controller to be able to switch back to Ultra DMA 2 transfer mode. Windows will re-install it on boot up. And negatyve you are right about an updated version of the drives firmware can resolve communication issues. However, even with the latest firmware you can still have problems. If you have programs talking to your drive(s) (polling, see 321Studio blacklist for starters). And thanks for the pat on the back! These guys, dont bother me, because they don't believe me, I am willing to back up what I am saying any time! Because I know that I am not lying, and I have proved it too myself well over 100 times. I think I am now over 130 Plus burns. My offer still stands for additional proof, videoing any one of my burns! I cannot tell you guy's how many hours (many nights until 3am in the morning) I have put in, to get this not only to work. But consistently, burn after burn, whether it is 1 burn or 20 in a row. Which I have done, and many 5 to 10 burns in a row. I am a firm believer in no pain, no gain, which I have lived by. Two degree's, an ASEE, Associate degree in Electrical Engineering, BSCS, Bachelor's degree in Computer Science. This is not to say that I am a genious or something, no not at all. I struggle with somethings just like anyone else. And I did with using DVDXcopy Platinum, under WinXP Pro, with two different burners, two different processors, etc... But, what I am not is a liar! So to you guy's that want to call me a liar, put up or shut up. And once I have proven you wrong, I want a formal appology in this forum! That's if you are man enough, I know I am!
Nephilim
AfterDawn Addict
3 August 2004 14:11
Now that I'm more awake (last post was 1:39 A.M.) and have fully read the thread I see now that you're 20 min claims were for single layer discs for which the times are correct. So my foot is in my mouth on that point.

I must still digress from your recommendation of Xcopy. I absolutely fail to see the wisdom and point to recommending software that, as you have attested, takes a lot of time and trouble to get working correctly.

It is the only app with software blacklist, a nag screen, and no official support because the company has shut it's doors.

The fact that so many people have had problems with this software cannot be denied and to imply that folks are lazy and unwilling to surmount the problems of this software isn't right. People have paid $$$ for this software and should reasonably expect the software to work without hours of troubleshooting.

Your 20 min. rip/burn times have nothing to do with XCopy, it has to do with the fact that no compression is required. These times can be duplicated with any standard backup software.

As far as resulting quality, it can be met or exceeded by numerous apps. The freeware DVD Shrink can meet or exceed the final quality that XCopy produces - I've used both.


DVD XCopy

+ Easy 1-click solution

- Costs money
- Software blacklisting
- Nag screen that must either be removed with other software or just tolerated.
- No more official support
- Will no longer be updated.
- Average picture quality


DVD Shrink

+ Easy 1 click w/DVD Decrypter or Nero installed
+ Freeware
+ No software blacklisting
+ No nag screens
+ Support through numerous websites and knowledgable users.
+ Regularly updated with fixes and new features
+ Picture quality varies from average to outstanding depending on what settings you prefer.

- lhallct, you tell me.

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Nephilim
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3 August 2004 14:19
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And once I have proven you wrong, I want a formal appology in this forum!
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To anyone who buys XCopy based on your recommendation, I believe you will owe them a formal apology.

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lhallct
Newbie
3 August 2004 17:00
Nephilim

Quote #1:

Now that I'm more awake (last post was 1:39 A.M.) and have fully read the thread I see now that you're 20 min claims were for single layer discs for which the times are correct. So my foot is in my mouth on that point.

I must still digress from your recommendation of Xcopy. I absolutely fail to see the wisdom and point to recommending software that, as you have attested, takes a lot of time and trouble to get working correctly.

It is the only app with software blacklist, a nag screen, and no official support because the company has shut it's doors.

The fact that so many people have had problems with this software cannot be denied and to imply that folks are lazy and unwilling to surmount the problems of this software isn't right. People have paid $$$ for this software and should reasonably expect the software to work without hours of troubleshooting.

Your 20 min. rip/burn times have nothing to do with XCopy, it has to do with the fact that no compression is required. These times can be duplicated with any standard backup software.

As far as resulting quality, it can be met or exceeded by numerous apps. The freeware DVD Shrink can meet or exceed the final quality that XCopy produces - I've used both.


DVD XCopy

+ Easy 1-click solution

- Costs money
- Software blacklisting
- Nag screen that must either be removed with other software or just tolerated.
- No more official support
- Will no longer be updated.
- Average picture quality


DVD Shrink

+ Easy 1 click w/DVD Decrypter or Nero installed
+ Freeware
+ No software blacklisting
+ No nag screens
+ Support through numerous websites and knowledgable users.
+ Regularly updated with fixes and new features
+ Picture quality varies from average to outstanding depending on what settings you prefer.

- lhallct, you tell me.


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To anyone who buys XCopy based on your recommendation, I believe you will owe them a formal apology.

Responce #1: Well first off I would like to say, that most of my problems could have been avoided if I would have read and followed the manufacturer(s) recommendation. That goes for TDK, Sony, and 321Studio. Yes, I agree with your synopsis, nag screen, blacklist, etc.. That DVDXcopy is not a software application, that will run perfectly out of the box! But then again what is, I don't know of anyone that has not had software or hardware problems. And therefore had to do some troubleshooting, do you? In addition, when you are troubleshooting software and or hardware. It is a time comsuming tedious task to say the least! However, in the case of DVDXcopy and might I say most software, the solution is usually quite simple. But finding the culprit is usually not (processes running in the background taking up cpu resources, outdated firmware, OS not up to date, software conflicts, IRQ conflicts etc. need I say more)! As far as the 20 minute rip/burn time is concered, If you or anyone else has not resolved the PIO/DMA memory issue, your times will be much longer than that! Also, if you or anyone else has not resolved the polling issue if one exists. Then you will have much longer times and potential crashes etc.. To sum everything up, I would like to just say that I like DVDXcopy, and its quality and simplicity are good enough for me! And yes, it did take some effort to get it working, but it was worth it for me, and I think it will be for others. I just want to help anyone that may be interested in getting DVDXcopy to work correctly and consistently, as quickly as possible. And therefore save themselves hours of frustration. Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.

Responce #2: As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions. They will be up and running in no time! They will have quickly benefited from my pain and effort, you know the old adage, "Knowledge is Power"!
Nephilim
AfterDawn Addict
3 August 2004 17:48
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That DVDXcopy is not a software application, that will run perfectly out of the box!
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That's absolutely unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.


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Yes I do and now so do you. I've never (yes, never) had a problem with DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter, CloneDVD2 or BlindWrite5 related to hardware, software conflicts or system settings- all are burning apps. They've all run perfectly fine from the moment they were installed.


You trumpet all of your reading and research as a great way to resolve issues whereas I used all my reading and reasearch as a great way to avoid issues.


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Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.
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Then welcome aboard because with 321 no longer supporting their products we can use someone who actually likes XCopy and still uses it.


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As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions.
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A moot point since the software will no longer be sold.
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newfie
Newbie
3 August 2004 20:39
I downloaded force aspi 1.8 unzipped it into my docuents folder. Is there anything else to do for installation?

After reinstalling windows and disabling Norton AV and Norton personal firewall, x copy platinum finally did a full burn, but it wouldn't play in either my pc or console dvd.

Haven't tried the flashing drive thing yet. Will try some other disks too.
Nephilim
AfterDawn Addict
3 August 2004 20:54
Hi newfie,

My usual course for ForceASPI is to run KILLASPI first so I can start with a clean slate, reboot, then run INSTASPI, reboot, then check the install with ASPICHK which can be found here:

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp?cat=%2fProduct%2fEZ-SCSI_5.0&filekey=aspichk.exe&sess=no

A correct install for version 1.8 should have all four entries listed as 4.71.2.


If you listed it before and I missed it, what is the make/model of your drive?

Keeping the firmware up to date goes a long way towards good burns since newer firmwares add media compatibility and better write strategies.

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flip218
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3 August 2004 22:07
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Well after over a 100 more burns I can say without a doubt my problems are solved. I have acheived reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes with a slow upgraded pentium III, running XP Pro, 256M ram! In addition, this is acheived without disabling Norton Anti-virus, or Norton Personal Firewall.
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One click, and I walk away and 20 minutes later, ahhhhhhhhhh the simplicity of it all.
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With those two statements, I took it as all of your burns take 20 mins. That is why I said BS.

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How often does this happen, not very often, maybe one in 20 movies or so. But it can and does is the key!
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Note: Maybe 5% of the time. It would have been different if you said at times you've achieved reading and writing total times of under 20 minutes.


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So to you guy's that want to call me a liar, put up or shut up.
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My test results :-)
My Dell -
P4 2.8Ghz, XP Pro, 1.5GB RDRAM
TDK840G 8x burner
200GB HD (doesn't really matter)
ATI 9000 Pro (doesn't really matter)
XCopy Platinum, simple mode(XPress), movie only
Movie 3.96GB
Total time: 11 minutes

My Gateway-
P3 500Mhz, XP Pro, 384MB SDRAM
NEC 2100A 8x burner
160GB HD (doesn't really matter)
basic nVidia video card (doesn't really matter)
XCopy Platinum, simple mode, movie only
Movie 3.79GB
Total time: 26 minutes

Again look at the first two quotes. Next time be a little more clear that you've achieved this maybe 5% of the time and add the size of the source(dvd-5).


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Believe you? Do you think you are the only one? There was a reason why I questioned your 100+burns while achieving the 20minute process time.


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There are alot of people on these forums that bash DVDXcopy.
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I am just tired of people bashing DVDXcopy
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Before you say this one more time, let me tell you I'm not one of them.


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Appology ... I don't think so. How about you be a little more clear the first time :)


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As far as owing anyone an appology that buy's DVDXcopy. I don't think it will be necessary, if they follow a few simple suggestions.
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Question: For those who buy XCopy based on your recommendation, what is your suggestions how to get the product activated?


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I just want to help anyone that may be interested in getting DVDXcopy to work correctly and consistently, as quickly as possible. And therefore save themselves hours of frustration. Which now, with the knowledge that I have, I know it can be done and fairly easily! This is not to say that DVDXcopy is for everyone, but for those of you out there. That like DVDXcopy, but want it to work quickly and correctly every time. I can help you, that's it in the nutshell.
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if they follow a few simple suggestions. They will be up and running in no time! They will have quickly benefited from my pain and effort, you know the old adage, "Knowledge is Power"!
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Since your so knowledgeable and so willing to help, please help in this forum:
http://dvdxcopy.afterdawn.com/


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@negatyve,

What chip might that be?


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newfie
Newbie
3 August 2004 22:13
Went to run, typed killaspi - windows couldn't find it.
Entered instaspi couldn't find that either.

My dvd burner is HL-DT-ST DVD+RW GCA-4040N internal drive.
flip218
Senior Member
3 August 2004 22:19
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Went to run, typed killaspi - windows couldn't find it.
Entered instaspi couldn't find that either.
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newfie,

You said you unzipped it into your documents. Open "My Documents" -> open force 1.8 folder -> click "KILLASPI" -> reboot. Do the same thing, except click "INSTASPI", then reboot again.

Then run aspi check.
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TDK 840G, Sony DDU-1612 DVD-ROM
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321sucker
Member
3 August 2004 23:20
Hello all,
I've been summons by,in my opinion,one of the most respected and articulate persons in this forum...
That person has most consistently troubleshot and resolve more Xcopy issues than most 321ers that I know. And believe me, I know quite a few.
Now about the 20 minute rip/ burn times with Xcopy software.
If the movie is none css or maybe a single layer movie, I can see, maybe, 20 min. and under. But a dual layer movie with a Pentium 3, and much less, 256 mb ram!!!. Thats quite remarkable!!!!!
I worked for 321studios for 1.5 years, almost since birth and have never run across a feat like this.
You are truely a phenomenon and it is my priveledge to be in your forum.
So KUDOS to you,lhallct, for making the impossible, possible.
Please educate us all.
newfie
Newbie
3 August 2004 23:53
Nephilim:

Quote:

Hi newfie,

My usual course for ForceASPI is to run KILLASPI first so I can start with a clean slate, reboot, then run INSTASPI, reboot, then check the install with ASPICHK which can be found here:

http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=9388&m=5&url=http%3A//www.adaptec.com/worldwide/support/driverdetail.jsp%3Fcat%3D%252fProduct%252fEZ-SCSI_5.0%26filekey%3Daspichk.exe%26sess%3Dno

A correct install for version 1.8 should have all four entries listed as 4.71.2.


This link, to chec aspi says it doesn't work with windows xp among others. Refers reader to: "Use the new ASPI 4.70 driver found under SCSI Software downloads instead."

There was no link, and I couldn't find the appropriate site in Google.

Did all the steps your recommended otherwise, re: aspi


flip218

Sorry for the abbreviated message.

Results for aspi check:

wnaspi32.dll version 4.72(0)
winaspi.dll N/A
aspi32.sys version 4.712(0)
wowpost.exe N/A

Aspi not properly installed.


I went through the install/reboot process twice to be sure. The web site for aspi check did say one could get false negatives, howerer.

Also when installing the aspi software the dos window said "detected win 2000 or nt.





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4. August 2004 @ 15:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
newfie,

WTF is up with your last post?
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Responce: Let me say this one more time, the read speed is totally dependant on the quality of the source DVD! Obviously this is provided you have no issues. My under 20 minute times have all been associated with a mint or near mint original source DVD.
lhallct,

Enough already, your under 20 minute times are NOT because of "quality of the source". It's because your backing up a dvd-5. If you read my last post, I to achieved ... actually blew away your under 20 minute process time. But if you notice I used a DVD-5 and movie only(this means no extras). All I ask is you to be a little more clear, if you really think you can do a DVD-9 in under 20 minutes with your system, your full of it. You even admitted it ... "maybe one in 20 movies or so". And genius that is only maybe 5% of the time. So stop your rant, and buck up an tell us they are dvd-5's and leave it at that.



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4. August 2004 @ 15:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hmm!

Is it me or Deja vu?

Flip is right type 5 DVDs are not only smaller, they are much easier to read. My rip speeds on type 5 DVDs range between 11.5 to 12 times or more. The actual rip time is around 6 minutes and my burn times are around 8 minutes ( I could lower that time if I burned at 12X). Total time about 12 to 16 minutes.

My computer info:

Intel Pentium III 1.3GHZ with 256MB

Video Card - Savage, I can get this

8.4G harddrive with Win2000 Pro (I dont really use it, it was my old OS)

80G harddrive with WinXP (I needed a larger drive for burning and video editing)

All WinXP updates have been installed


I formally apologize for suggesting that you might want to consider a PC upgrade. Get rid of that dated hardware and you might catch up.

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