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24. July 2008 @ 01:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You know what's funny is I didn't really buy the mobo (P35-DS3P) with the intentions of a CF configuration. I just wanted something different than everyone else was using at the time. lol. It's a brilliant board and I won't be upgrading it anytime soon. If I would have had the extra money at the time, I would have purchased a DS4 or DQ6 mobo.. I think the X38's had just come out so they were ridiculously expensive in my mind... and it wasn't for a CF config anyway. :P .... :D

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24. July 2008 @ 01:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yeah, I wouldn't CF unless I was on X38 or 48 with 16x for BOTH cards ;)
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24. July 2008 @ 03:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Really, 8x vs 16 x doesn't make much of a difference. The 8800GT gets close to the same performance as 16x all the way down to 4x. After that, it chokes. My point is that most card don't take full advantage of PCI-E x16 let alone PCI-E 2.0. That's why AGP cards were showing near identical performance to their X16 counterparts.



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24. July 2008 @ 06:58 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Actually the 4850 DOES take a performance hit on 8x.
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24. July 2008 @ 10:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The HD4850 is a powerful card. I'd expect a performance loss on 8x, let alone 4x, which I think the second lane on a P35 chipset runs at.

I only upgraded my board for crossfire, and that's genuine. The piles of USB and firewire ports were just an added bonus.



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24. July 2008 @ 13:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Basic Graphical performance chart: (reference point of 1.00 is for HD2900XT) - numbers are a multiple of the performance of this card, a mean across three current games tested at three high end resolutions, AA/AF enabled.


HD3870: 1.08
8800GTX: 1.49
9800GTX OC: 1.53
HD4850: 1.78
HD3870X2: 1.86
GTX260: 2.08
HD4870: 2.11
GTX280: 2.28
9800GTX OC SLI: 2.56
HD4850CF: 2.68
HD4870X2: 2.95+, up to 3.8
GTX280SLI: 2.95+, up to 4.1
HD4870CF: 2.98+, up to 3.9
HD4870X4: 3.00+, up to 6.0



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26. July 2008 @ 03:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
That almost makes me want to get an X38/X48 board and CF 2 4850s :P

If I decide to go dual graphics, which I might, an X48-DQ6 or similar is already in the budget(probably going to find something cheaper). It's not like I buy much else with my money anyway, lol.

I'm just having an internal conflict... stay with my well priced, well built budget oriented rig that I searched for all the best prices for; or throw that out the window and go high-end like I did with the Evga 680i and the 8800GTX.

Admittedly, having been there, high-end is the thing to have. Way more features and much cooler extras. I am more than satisfied with my current rig's performance, but I still have the itch to upgrade, lol.

Being that it's the last summer I have before college, I should just bite the bullet and treat myself to a whole separate build with my E6750 and throw a Pentium E2160 into my P35.

Eh, so many options. That's why I'm waiting before I make another upgrade. I'm not entirely sure what I want to do.

I like my current rig a lot. But It could be so much faster. And I already just bought the 8800GTS 512MB, so it would be such a shame to get rid of it now.

What do you guys think? Throw a cheapo processor into my P35 and use the E6750/ Mushkin XP RAM for a whole new build? or just recycle all my components and go dual 4850 with an X38/X48???



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26. July 2008 @ 06:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The 8800GTS is still worth a fair bit. If you have the means or cashflow, do the upgrade then sell the 8800 to offset the cost.



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That's what I was thinking of to begin with. I might just stick with my original plan and sell the 8800GTS for a 4870. It would probably be the most cost effective plan.

Not to mention I still have my 8800GTS 320MB around here somewhere, which is admittedly a pretty fast card. And 2GB of Patriot DDR2 667 RAM, a 250GB WD Caviar SE16, my Thermaltake Armor which I couldn't bring myself to sell, and some other stuff I can't think of atm.

With all the parts I have, I should almost make a new build anyway, though with a different case and a new PSU as the fan controller on my Liberty 620 is out of whack. The Armor will make a return for dual graphics if/when it happens :)



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Why not Sell them both? You could probably afford a 4870 off of those without having to spend much extra at all. The 8800GTS 320 is still a reasonable card, but it's not cutting edge any more. On the scale I printed, it's probably between 0.9 and 1.1, as you see the 4870 is double that, if not slightly more. The 8800GTS 512 would be about 1.3, and the 8800GT 1.2.



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id say about £50 for the 320 and about £80 for the 512 = 130 so thats a nice 4850, esp with them being £111, so you could get in a nice 3rd party cooler (S1 rev2 with fan)



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He's american...
Oh and don't get the S1 rev 2, get the HR-03GT. Buying a quality cooler is very important.



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A single 4850 wouldn't be much of an upgrade, but a 4870 is a fairly nice upgrade, considering the resolution I play at.

If I get a 4870 I might sell the 320MB and put the 512MB in a separate build. It's just such a good card that I really I don't want to get rid of it. Plays everything maxed right now, bar Crysis/FSX.

And honestly, budget isn't an issue. I just don't want to get really extravagant.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
He's american...
Oh and don't get the S1 rev 2, get the HR-03GT. Buying a quality cooler is very important.
i agree but witht he 4850 id look to xfire, and its damn nea impossible to do that with the HR-03GT



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Then wait for the T-rad2. use two S1 rev2s and there's double the chance to destroy a card using the cooler's absurd install process.



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Would something like the Zalman VF900 fit the card? I have one of these already with a whole mess of RAM sinks, so it's an option.

This all still depends on whether or not I go dual graphics. If I do, the P35 is getting re-used. If I don't I'd still like to buy another P35 and use it with my extra parts as a torrent/LAN box.



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The VF900 is alright, but comparatively underpowered. The VF1000 seems pretty good.



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Originally posted by sammorris:
Then wait for the T-rad2. use two S1 rev2s and there's double the chance to destroy a card using the cooler's absurd install process.
haha, hundreds of people havent destoryed it, sorry you did :D



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Irrelevant. Install one yourself and you'll see what I mean.



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So maybe a 4870 and a VF1000??? I think a single 4870 would be good enough. I would really like to test the power of my StealthXstream on dual cards, but that means a new mobo and a reinstall of XP. Which, at this point, I don't really feel like doing. But some new parts are well within budget. My only bottleneck at this point is my video.



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If you're buying a 4870, one will be enough for 1920x1200 I assure you, except for the final boss, you can pretty much max out Crysis on one.



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Hey Estuansis. I see by a bunch of pages back that you're a big HL2 EP2 fan like me. I just discovered this thread trying to find the other thread (the 52775 started by Waymon - Ray - last year when the gecube came out) on a different computer. So I'm sneaking over here on this thread to ask you a favor. Hey guys, Sammorris, Waymon, Shaffaaf, Abuzar, Dinc, Core2kid.

IMO it would be on topic (I hope) to talk about screen shots, since the screen shot is the end product of a good graphics card, and monitor. (Makes sense to me but I don't know Loco's EXACT mission for this thread.)

Anyway, hoping I'm on topic, we're currently having a debate on the other thread about getting Ray into 2560x1600 resolution like Sam, up from his 1920x1200, because Abuzar occasionally gets HP 30" 2560x1600 oem monitors that he sells for $770, $600 under Newegg, and right now he's got an almost new one for $700, unbelievable value! Right boozer? Ray has been talking about upgrading his 20,000 3dmark machine to two 4870s, maybe even two 4870x2's, and the argument Sam and I are making, is that without max resolution - for example investing under $800 with abuzar to get twice as many pixels at 2560x1600 - what would be the point of all that massive graphics power if you're not going to see something different on the display?

So, here's a screen shot I did of EP2 at the end of Under the Radar. This is 1600x1200 resolution (shrunk to 700 pixels wide for this forum) on my x850xtpe, (which in a month will hopefully be swapped out for a 3850 agp.) I have some minor AA turned on in this picture, and I think medium textures, but definitely not everything maxed.

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Sam is trying to get to this point but has virtually no saved game points in EP2 so he started at the beginning of Under the Radar and right now is still at the laser-guns in the swamp. I know one day Sam will get here but Sam is a popular guy and that might take a while. :P

So in the meantime, Estuansis, I was wondering if you had more saved games than Sam, and if you could get to this point more easily (just after Dog kills the strider - when you are supposed to be racing Dog to the missile base.) As you curve left and start to head up the hill, you get out of the car, Alyx politely says "I'll wait here" then you jump on the retaining wall on your left and capture this scene. I always create a lot of saved game points, and when I was trying to describe the place to Sam, I cranked up my gaming rig, and found a save point just before this spot, where the strider gets up from underneath a dead dropship.

There is a lot of unbelievable scenery in EP2, as you have pointed out. This is one of my favorite scenic spots. I just finished the strider battle and I am sure there are lots of picturesque scenes all around that little valley - maybe even better than this. (I was busy.) If you have time, and if you can get right here, to this spot, or maybe to a better spot somewhere else in the game, like strider valley, I'd like to see what 1920x1200 looks like with your settings. Then one day we'll have Sam's 2560x1600 shot with everything maxed to compare it to.

By the way, would you believe it, Shaff has not yet played EP2? He said "Blimey, what the hell game is that?" or some such equivalent. "Looks bloody fantastic!" So we're trying to turn him into an EP2 fan-boy like the rest of us. LOL

-Rich

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As it happens, Episode Two is the perfect casein point of why Ray doesn't need two 4870X2s.
he runs 1920x1200, and will do for some time to come and that's fine, but at 2560x1600 even two HD4870s, not the X2s, make a staggering average of 91 frames per second, absolute max detail, and with 4x Anti-Aliasing and 16x Anisotropic Filtering added to boot.
Even if you did feel like using two cards just to bump the fps up even more (though quite why I'm not sure, I haven't spotted any suddenly-much-more-demanding sections in Ep2 as I have in Crysis) you wouldn't see a vast gain as the CPU ceiling for Episode two is 135fps, with a 3Ghz 45nm Quad core.

Same for Quake Wars as well, two 4870s manage 106fps out of a maximum 120, at 2560x1600 4xAA, 16xAF

Crysis is the only game I have seen tested that requires two X2s to run well, and even so, as long as you don't ue AA, two 4870s still pull a respectable average of 24fps maxed out on Very High settings at 1920x1200.




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Hi these are the choices of graphics cards on the pc i want to get, so which would you recommend:

Club3D Radeon HD2600PRO 512MB, GDDR2, PCI-Express, 2xDVI, HDCP, HDMI, Retail [info] -131.12
EVGA GeForce 9600GT 512MB KO, 700/950Mhz ,PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI-I [info]
EVGA GeForce GTX 280 1GB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI/HDCP, 512bit [info]
4 stocked. +284.88
HIS Radeon HD 3850 512MB GDDR3, IceQ, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI/HDMI/HDCP,"Turbo" [info] -25.11
PowerColor Radeon HD 3850 256MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI/HDMI/HDCP [info] -75.12
Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3, PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI/HDMI/HDCP, Lite-R [info] -14.62
XFX GeForce 8500GT 450M 1GB DDR2 PCI-Express 2.0, Dual DVI, HDTV Out [info] -124.12
XFX GeForce 8600GTS 730M 256MB XXX GDDR3 ,PCI-Express, 2xDVI/HDCP, 730/2260Mhz [info] -109.12
XFX GeForce 8800GTS 580M 320MB XXX GDDR3 ,PCI-Express,2xDVI/HDTV/HDCP,580/1800Mhz [info] -5.12
XFX GeForce 9800GTX 720M 512MB XT GDDR3 PCI-Express 2.0, 2xDVI/HDCP, 720MHz [info]
1 stocked.

Thanks again!

 
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