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20. May 2007 @ 09:04 |
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I have a A8N, and after enabling the "Speech POST Reporter" all audio from the BIOS is played through my external speakers,
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20. May 2007 @ 09:31 |
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Really? Excellent stuff. I presume that's using the onboard audio though? I use a USB sound card normally, but if that's true, it will definitely help.
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20. May 2007 @ 10:31 |
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Sam,
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This in an age when computer case manufacturers seem to be 'moving away' from including PC speakers in them. Neither of my cases have one, and both my Asus motherboards require them to tell you any information whatsoever.
You might try what I did to solve that problem on one of my old cases. I have one of those tiny case "speakers" with a couple of short wires on it and I just stuck it on the speaker terminals at the front panel connections on the MB and now it beeps at you like it's supposed to. Cheap too! Most electronic stores here have them for a buck or two. It's the same tiny little round "slice of a barrel looking" thing that they put in most cases. Hope this helps!
BTW! The problems Asus have been having come from their MB suppliers in China (I think). It's not just the P5N-E, but several different ones. This is all nickel and dime stuff, cheap (beyond belief) stuff that costs pennies. Minor electronic components. We all know that the design is good. I think they just got some rubbish for parts that found their way into several different model MBs.
Best regards,
Russ
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20. May 2007 @ 10:51 |
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I can believe that, it happens in this industry a lot. Hehe remember the Capacitor plague?
I realised they were just tiny speakers you could attach, but I'm sure I remember seeing 4 wires for them on the board instead of the obvious two, which is why I wasn't sure. I will investigate the sound being routed to the sound card though, that could be useful.
Interestingly enough, my P5N-E doesn't even have the speech POST reporter feature. it's also not listed in the manual for my A8N board (haven't checked the BIOS for that yet though). So no speech POST reporter, no LEDs, not really a lot of diagnostic facilities! All you get is whether or not the monitor shows you the POST screen.
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20. May 2007 @ 11:39 |
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Sam,
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I realised they were just tiny speakers you could attach, but I'm sure I remember seeing 4 wires for them on the board instead of the obvious two, which is why I wasn't sure.
There's 4 pins but the speaker only uses the two outside ones. The middle two don't do anything. Usually if a case has one, it's a wide 4 pin plug with a red and a black wire on each end!
Best Regards,
Russ
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20. May 2007 @ 11:53 |
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You picked out great parts. If you got the 1066 version, great. The 1111 version you really cant go wrong. w/ DDR1111 @ stock of 4-4-4-12 you can easily get some fun out of them using a 2:3 (set as DDR800) with this stuff. You should be good for a 2:3 stable up to FSB375 easy on !975X (375x9 = 3.4GHz at DDR1120, 2:3 @ 4-4-4-12 @ 2.4v).
The Comando only supports 800hz tho, will it still let you change the settings on 1066mhz ram? Im starting to think I should have got a better specced board so I could run pc8500/1066mhz ram? I really would have liked to push mine past the 3.6ghz marker, I spent ages finding an e6600 with the right batch number!
Asus Comando mobo, Q6600 G0, 2gig Corsair Dominator PC8500 1066mhz, Nvidia 7600GS sonic 256mb, Modded-Thermaltake Bach VX with custom fan and air tunnel, 750w thermaltake modular PSU, 37gb Rapter, 3x baracuda 500gig, 1x baracuda 750gig, 22" Asus MW221u w/s, Creative S750 Gigaworks 7.1 surround
2x Laing DDC Ultras with custom tops, 2xBlack Ice GT 360mm Rads with 6x Xilence120mm fans, D-tek fuzion CPU block, EK nb/sb/gpu and both sets of mosfets water blocks, 2x 250ml reservoirss, full 1/2" tubing set up.
Watercooled Xbox360 too......!
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20. May 2007 @ 12:56 |
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I really would have liked to push mine past the 3.6ghz marker
You can hit that on any of the better ASUS mobos and likely on some other good models. DFI, MSI, EVGA, or now Gigabyte are known good players in the game, I just not used them personally, except for DFI in the day of AMD OC's and for that thenm they were great and getting better.
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can I hit 1066?
The current JEDEC specs for RAM is only tested to be 100% stable as DDR800, so thats what they will claim to cover themselves. But honestly, Every ASUS mobo I had since 1st !925XE has hit DDR1066 stable, so you are good to go. You have to adjust devider and OC to get it but you can.
I have the same RAM you mentioned so it is good (the PC8500 ver). I borrowed the PC8888 for test on my AM2 rig but it is twice the $$ (800.00 US dollers). To start out, I'd stick w/ the PC850 since it came down in $$ since I got it and is as low as $220. 00 US. This on any of the 2 mobos you picked would be great. OCZ PC9200 is 1150 @ 5-5-5-18, not too bad. I use their 1066 and are very stable too.
We'll help and you shell be a happy clocker soon!
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20. May 2007 @ 13:31 |
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ASUS Post Reporter
You guys inquiring about this, forgive me if I can't remember names, as I don't get enough responces from this post to know all yet. One of you mentioned getting message via your speakers. "YES" this is only good for spkrs connected to mobo I/O pannel and if enabled in BIOS weather or not you use PCI or external audio solution.. Also to add, ASUS is coming to, not getting away from using LED/LCD to report, but only on the "Republic Of Gamers" series as of now. All top models since the P2B had onboard diode box for beep code to be decoded in manual. Some lesser models did not, but the circle was there if you wanted to add it yourself. But then I personally can barely recall when I ever had to use it, since I never had a crash that didn't recover. I know it can happen, just hasn't since my P2B (incompatible AGP voltage). If you want to use post reporter you must have the I/O panel spkr jack connected to a spkr during post. It can be flashed using EZ Flash to report custom post if you need, but its more for noobz and just for fun I think. If trouble comes, better off with classic beep code of onboard diode or sdd the beeper box as mentioned earlier as needed. I just got so used of not hearing beeps. Some mobos came w/ one.
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ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
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20. May 2007 @ 13:45 |
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well, a selling point for one of my motherboards (I forget which one) read "no complex LED fault codes to read - audible POST report messages" or something to that effect. LEDs would be a hell of a lot easier!
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20. May 2007 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Really? Excellent stuff. I presume that's using the onboard audio though? I use a USB sound card normally, but if that's true, it will definitely help.
That would be correct.
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20. May 2007 @ 15:35 |
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I'm just curious, but why do any of us experienced even stress or focus on these little features? From what I read here and other sites, most noobz don't even bother to do full diagnostis before requesting RMA anyways. Most could be resolved at home if patient.
Even the beep codes (most reliable) on workstation mobos are just basic guidence. Not real 100% reports. They can at best nerrow down to a group of itemsto troubleshoot.
But for the fun features, ABIT uses a mobo mounted LED pannel but is on mobo so if not using window door case, you still need to open it. Again, moe of a "bling bling" for the gamers in the Fatality market. MSI had a blinking LED drop in pannel you could mount in I/O perrifial slot but you had to get back there and still decode basic codes.
Even when breaking in a new overclock w/ many crashes I never had to use it in relation to overclock.
Sony PSP/PS3,
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ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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20. May 2007 @ 18:39 |
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So, I bought a CPU, a AMD Athlon XP 2800+ about a year and 2 months ago. Lately, Ive really been getting into computers and fixing them and messing with them.
My computer, ever since I bought it, has had temperature problems. the average right now is about 65-57 degrees. I burnt out 2 power sources and got them replaced and set a shut down temp at 70 C. however, whenever I play video games unless the temp in my room is freezing, my comp will automatically shut down after 10 minutes or so.
I downloaded CPU-Z and it tells me that my core
multiplier is 16.0X and Im running at 2130 MHz.
where I live, it is fraud to sell a comp thats been overclocked. and my PC is a custom built from a small computer store.
is my computer overclocked? how can I find out?
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Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon XP-M
Code name
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+
Family/Model/Stepping 6A0
Extended Family/Model 7/A
Package Socket A
Technology 0.13um
Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
Features
Clock Speed 2129.7 MHz
Clock multiplier x16.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 133.1 MHz
Bus Speed 266.2 MHz
Stock frequency 2133 MHz
P-Rating 2800+
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2129.7 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits
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20. May 2007 @ 19:42 |
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The 2800+ Mobile is correct at 2.13Ghz. I think you just have a cooling issue. Is it a laptop or a desktop PC? If a desktop you can easily and cheaply upgrade the Heatsink and add additional fans. If it's a laptop, it may be worthwhile considering an aftermarket Laptop cooler.
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20. May 2007 @ 19:53 |
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CPUGeek,
Just out of curiosity, do you know what kind of CPU Cooler you have. I've seen a lot of socket A ones that are little more than an aluminum heat sink with a fan on top of it. If that's the case, look into an Arctic or a Zalman. The XP's do run rather hot but I would expect more about 47 to 50C than what you are getting. Have you ever cleaned the dust out of it? That can be a major problem if the dust isn't blown out of it once in a while.
How about case fans? Lots of older computers around where the only case fan is the one in the power supply.
Happy Computering,
theone
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21. May 2007 @ 05:02 |
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Try downloading Hmonitor, Everest or Speedfan. These programs will tell you the temperature of your CPU when it's running. However, since it automatically shuts down we know you have a temperature issue. Check for dust first, before considering uprated cooling. If the problem hasn't always existed, it's either that or fan failure that's caused the issue.
Additional note: Linking the FSB and memory speeds causes the PC not to boot at 3Ghz, I'm not decreasing my OC for the sake of it, so I'll leave it unlinked methinks.
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21. May 2007 @ 13:01 |
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AMD XP-M
Thes are very overclockible and even more so on a good descktop mobo. Just like the Pentium M on ASUS P4C800 was w/ S429 adapter. I had a 2500+ XP-M on a DFI LanParty nForce2
You should spring for a solid copper sink. The biggest effective one to fit is gonna be the classic Zolman CNPS7000 (any version) Copper/aluminum blend is OK too and cheap today under $30 US. There may be bigger but I have not messed w/ this rig for 3 yrs+
In fat, if on a descktop and running hot, it may be running at descktop vcore. M's were bin-picked to be top notch Barton cores and thus can and needed to run few points lower vcore to be energy efficiant in notebooks. Stock or higher vcore is fine, but need to keep it cool. These M and Barton were the nick-named "the little heaters" of the PC world. I have been involved in many LAN partys where 1 or 3 AMD Barton's could heat a 10x12 room in mins and shut and cause even an Intel to throttle down and Hibernate (Barton had no safty shut down so BIOS setting was so important.)
Let me know if this helps. I used to OC these and they were fune to compete w/ Intel Northwoods.
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21. May 2007 @ 13:44 |
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I have a similiar Barton XP-M 2800+. It's stock 2133mhz. That's the 266fsb model. Mine (slightly overclocked @ 2282) is running w/ no real load @ 44C w/ case @ 25C. I think my max is about 54C and I'm only using a Volcano 8. Try removing the cpu-fan and seeing if there's a layer of dust & hair and stuff between the HS-Fan and the HS itself.
And MBM just flashed a case temp of 57C... LOL! I think that capacitor is going out pretty fast here.
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21. May 2007 @ 13:49 |
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Forgot to add this info:
I had heat issues @ first too. Then I took some alcohol and removed the old waxy thermal compound from the CPU & heatsink. Then I used a plastic sandwich bag to apply a very thin layer of Arctic Silver Ceramique to both the CPU and heatsink. I refitted the heatsink after twisting it several times to remove little air bubbles, secured it, and blam. I dropped the CPU temp by 13C with about 15-20mins of work.
Good luck and happy cooling!
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21. May 2007 @ 15:18 |
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Funny, my Barton 3000+ Desktop had thermal shutdown protection - just as well or I would have fried it!
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Since this is the overclocking thread, I happened to go over all my drivers except the bios just to make sure that everything was up to date. I'll leave the bios (F10) alone since I'm having no problems with the computer. I have to say that I am very impressed with both GigaByte and nVidia as all of the drivers that came on the CDs were the absolute latest. That has to be a first for me. Usually when you go on line, the chipset, bios and the video drivers are usually out of date. I didn't even check the video driver version that I had installed from the CD and downloaded the latest revision of Forceware. When I went to put it in the mVidia Forceware folder, I was shocked to see that it was already there.
My only real gripe is that I can't raise the FSB more and use a lower multiplier. If I was running an E6300 or higher, it wouldn't be a problem because it starts with a higher FSB to begin with. I understand this is a problem related to the 800MHz FSB of the E4300 and there's not much you can do about it. I'm very happy with what my $129 processor can do.
Just for S's & G's I ran all the Super Pi 1.5 tests and I think I have good reason not to be unhappy.
Not too bad at all when compared to an E6600 OC'd to 3.60 on water (Mort81's). Current price for an E4300 is less than half that of the E6600 so you know I'm smiling!
Happy Computering,
theone
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22. May 2007 @ 06:26 |
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Who would EVER buy an X6800?
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22. May 2007 @ 13:13 |
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Not too bad at all when compared to an E6600 OC'd to 3.60 on water (Mort81's).
no water cooling on mine my friend (zalman cnps9500led). you still have no reason to be unhappy. your super PI scores aren't too far off mine.
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Mort81,
I must have "Water on the Brain"!LOL!! It's Ken that has the water cooling. I'm still not unhappy. I read a couple of hundred reviews in various places on the net and I only found about a dozen that run as fast as mine does. I also found a number of "claims" for 3.6 or higher with a x9 multiplier, which is pure BS! Even Intel will tell you that the E4300 won't run a 1600 (400x4) buss. That's why you can run the 6300 faster because of it's 1066 native buss speed. The way the prices keep going down, I may even put an E6600 in the GigaByte and see what it will do!
I can get it up to a hair under 3.4 (3.393), but to be stable I would have to raise the voltage higher than my standards will allow. It's just not worth risking the CPU for the couple of minutes I would save encoding with DVDRB/CCE. Most DVDs are processed in under 45 minutes as it is now. I can usually do the whole job in about an hour. Beats the hell out of the 3 hours or so it used to take with the Dell! ROFL!
I give you and Ken full credit for my switch to the DS3. It's been a very happy choice for me! See what happens when you get people thinking!!LOL!!
Best Regards.
Russ
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I'm not convinced the 6300 can go further, since starting from a 1066mhz bus means it loses a chunky 33% potential on the 4300. Put a 4300 to 2.4Ghz, and then it effectively becomes stock with the others! I just wish like you I had gone the DS3 route. I can't put my PC into standby because it won't boot hot, you need to press the reset button first. Another completely inexplicable issue. I suffer no stability issues at all, yet getting past POST is an arduous procedure. On some occasions if the PC hasn't cooled down fully after shutting it down, it may take a dozen reset presses before it will POST. Crashproof BIOS my ass, probably since I haven't changed any settings, the sudden lack of POST would catch it out. I was only intending the 4300 to be a temporary upgrade, but it's the motherboard that I may swap!
There are BIOS revisions by the hundredweight that might solve the isue, but then there are many more that make the situation worse, BIOS flashes are risky enough without considering they may not work anyway! My ironically now faulty A8N board worked fine off the first BIOS, why shouldn't this one? Admittedly I only overclocked that 9% versus 67%, but the resulting issues were perfectly predictable, and it was dead easy to find the most stable frequency. With the P5N-E that isn't possible, because it changes by day!
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22. May 2007 @ 21:40 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Intel will tell you that the E4300 won't run a 1600 (400x4) buss.
of course they will say that but its not always the case. i dont think for a minute that everyone they make will hit it but im sure a fair few of them do.
mine will sit at 410x8 (1600fsb) all day and has booted 440x6 (1760fsb) with my ram at 820 and 880 respectfuly. i have posted links to them hitting over 4ghz on air in the past. just because you have not been as lucky as some others have with your cpu is not a good enough reason to state their claims as bullsh*t.
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=181882
they wont do a 1600 fsb?
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