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3. April 2009 @ 11:27 |
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Yeah but if there were driver problems recently, back in those days, Crossfire was very unreliable. The 8800GTs didn't actually scale as well in SLI as the 9600s did, so when SLI'ed they worked out about the same.
One site has reported the GTX275s being the better card, but the more popular opinion now seems to be the reverse, i.e. that the HD4890s are better.
The bonus is of course that you don't need i7 to use two HD4890s...
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3. April 2009 @ 13:05 |
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3. April 2009 @ 14:58 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Omegaman: They won't release a game that outcasts the HD4870 for a long time. The only 'you can or you can't situation that exists right now is DirectX10.1 such as used in H.A.W.X. and both the 4870 and 4890 can pull that off. No Geforce card can yet do it. You should be fine for at least a year at full 1920x1200 on high settings, and the other year you certainly won't have any trouble running games, but you may have to knock the detail or res back a bit.
Thanks bud! Thats the type of reply I was looking for :D And Heck, If I should so desire later, a second identical card would stretch it another 6months to a year huh? So I'll buy one card now, at 150-200, and buy the second (newegg permitting) LOL, when the price is considerably lower! Though my S-ata area wont like that LOL. Unless they fashion a shorter identical card, JUST FOR ME LOL!!!
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3. April 2009 @ 15:04 |
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I doubt it, the only likelihood of that is such an advance in technology that there'd be something like an HD5600 series.
Guru 3D performance benchmark graph:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4150/guru3d4890.gif
Firing Squad performance graph:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2251/firingsquad4890.gif
Note: COD4 results are wrong for some cards (but I have left the results up. Also bear in mind at 1600x1200 the CPU ceiling affects the GTX285 and HD4890 CF severely). The results for Left 4 Dead were so wrong I chose not to include them as they bear no relevance to how the cards actually perform. I also did not include Battleforge as they chose only to test it in DX10.1 mode which meant nVidia cards would not be able to run the game.
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3. April 2009 @ 16:29 |
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Omega - nice new sig with the HAF - looks really good!
Sounds like you're gonna spring for a 4870 which should work out great for you.
Cute cat pictures, Sam. In particular I noticed "can u smuggles me in ur spedo" hah hah, so I'm not the only one with a spedo.
Nice work on the charts! I'm seeing some excellent frames with 4890cf at 2560x1600, so I guess I'll sit here and wait a bit for 4890x2!
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3. April 2009 @ 16:32 |
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Assuming one is ever made. There's no sign that it will be yet. It seems rather 'consumer demand' based. How will they know unless they make one? Either way, the HD4890 uses more power than the HD4870 by about 30W, so an HD4890X2 would use 60W more power than an HD4870X2, and probably need two 8-pin connectors (and therefore Quad CF would be out for most PSUs, the ZM850-HP included) That's really pushing it, and it's worth noting that that figure would only be about 35W behind the power a dual GTX285 card would draw, and if one of those could be made, I'd be damn certain nvidia would have made one buy now. Interestingly enough the GTX275 is the most power hungry card of all at load, and the most efficient of all at idle.
On the plus side, the HD4890 runs at only 64ºC full load versus the GTX275's 90ºC, but at a higher than usual 2400rpm fan speed. In theory that means that for an HD4890X2 to maintain the same load temperature, the fan would have to be at basically 100%. With a little knockback to 70% I'm sure higher but acceptable load temperatures could be achieved, but 70% is very unpleasant indeed.
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3. April 2009 @ 16:43 |
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Thanks harvrdguy :) Yah...much like wallpaper, I get board rapidly LOL! Though I think i'll use this one for now. I made the NIN from scratch. I LOVE photoshop :D
Yah, im gonna spring for the 4870 as soon as I can. My funds are a little bit tied up right now. Ive decided to put the ram on hold, since the 6400 is running fairly well. Im 99% sure however, that a batch of 1066 Ram will kick it in the behind! The 4870 just seems like the right choice! It Beckons to me LOL!
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3. April 2009 @ 18:49 |
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LOL I finally dumped my Razer Krait optical for a new-ish Logitech MX518. It's like a trade-for-semi-keeps-trade-back-whenever deal. So works for me if I ever get mouse sick ;P
Laser is better though. Slightly smoother movement and higher DPI/accuracy.
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3. April 2009 @ 18:54 |
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I've never found that with Laser mice. I still use Red-LED optical and have no issues.
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3. April 2009 @ 20:01 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Yeah but if there were driver problems recently, back in those days, Crossfire was very unreliable. The 8800GTs didn't actually scale as well in SLI as the 9600s did, so when SLI'ed they worked out about the same.
One site has reported the GTX275s being the better card, but the more popular opinion now seems to be the reverse, i.e. that the HD4890s are better.
The bonus is of course that you don't need i7 to use two HD4890s...
Eh, getting a core i7 anyway so I guess that part doesn't matter.
OK so it looks like the radeon wins in fallout and stalker, and is close enough to be equal in farcry2. But its not as overclockable as the gtx275... which sucks. But I still need a crossfire/sli comparison before I make my decision :(
Originally posted by sammorris:
The significance of ND is a new forceware revision they were provided for testing but is not yet out for release.
So if the gtx275 is just ahead with these new beta drivers... theoretically ati could release some new ones too, boosting performance and making it more difficult for me to choose? lol. Oh how I loathe choosing parts for a new computer... lol
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4. April 2009 @ 00:29 |
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Wow! If only for the story...I have got to play this game! I found myself quite mesmerized by this video! It was quite possibly one of the most beautiful things ive ever seen!!!
Final Fantasy X???Music by Lisa Gerrard, as opposed to Enya. IT IS NOT ENYA!!!
Though I like ENYA quite a bit. Dont take that the wrong way. :)
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4. April 2009 @ 07:22 |
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Omega, see my post in the what are you listening to now thread...
Rubix: Remember, that is the bit-tech review, which is the least favourable, to get a bigger picture, look closely at the other reviews, especially the HardOCP one (the one with figures, not graphs), as they in my mind are the most accurate testers at the moment.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:21 |
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While I do like hardocp myself, the fact that they go for maximum in game settings achievable isn't really helpful to me when the res is at 2560x1600. The gtx275 may win by a few fps at this res, but I'm more interested in 1920x1200, where most reviews I have read show closer margins between the two cards. Still waiting for the CF/Sli comparison though :(
And I know what you mean about some people being biased... I think it was an Anandtech review I was reading.. the 4890 smashed the gtx275 in absolutely everything which I'm pretty sure is total BS.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:28 |
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I've been ignoring Anandtech for ages, their reviews are ridiculous. On the plus side, you've got more benchmarks coming soon from other sites to take a peek at. Once again, no SLI benches, but nVidia did not send out multiple review samples, so it would be up to the review site to buy another card to test that fact. They weren't out for real release when most of the benchmarks were being recorded.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:35 |
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*Sigh* Guess I will have to wait a little while for some truly helpful reviews. Gut instinct I'd probably get the 275's (I've always liked nvidia) but I didn't even know they existed when I found out about the 4890, so I'd kinda decided on the radeons already. And I know crossfire is a hell of a lot better than it used to be, whereas sli has sort of stayed the same.. so it's really a tough one. Lol.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:42 |
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There are plenty of GTX285 benchmarks knocking around, and one of the ones I'm currently graphing includes GTX285 SLI, the GTX295, GTX295 Quad SLI, the HD4870X2, HD4890 and GTX275 (singular). As long as you don't surpass the GTX275's memory capability (if you do, you'll see it in the GTX295 results dropping like a stone as well), I think you'll have a fair idea of what GTX275 SLI will achieve by directly comparing the GTX285 SLI results to the GTX285, and subbing the numbers from the GTX275 in, if you see what I mean. There are three major titles currently out there that screw ATI cards, especially in dual mode. Unfortunately, since they're also some of the most demanding and most popular, they are the ones almost always used in benchmarks. On that basis, ATI get a bit of a raw deal when it comes to benches. This time round though, things are looking good for SLI, it must be said. Stick around for the benchmark I upload, I will add some simulated GTX275 SLI results on theory I suggested.
(The three games were Crysis/Crysis Warhead, Far Cry 2, and Call of Duty: World At War)
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4. April 2009 @ 08:45 |
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True champion. You sir, are the most helpful person on this website. No offence to anyone else of course :)
Edit: Oh, and while you're here.. any opinions on the DFI DK-X58-T3EH6? It's way cheaper than the gigabyte extreme I was planning on, and I read a forum-based review where a dude said he got his i7 920 to 4.0ghz with way lower voltages than on the gigabyte board.. plus gigabyte boards are ugly - dfi black pcb ftw.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:51 |
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The most expensive of the DFI boards, I can't remember if it's that one or not, has wide slot spacing for full 16x bandwidth dual graphics. That in my mind is the best board to go for, for i7. The only hesitation I have is that DFI boards are VERY intolerant of components, for instance they're the only board manufacturer that won't accept engineering sample graphics cards.
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4. April 2009 @ 08:57 |
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The enthusiast one is the UT T3EH8 - its like $150 more and the only differences I could spot were bad ones.. lack of optical audio connection, and the ugly heatsink off the PWM.. other than that I'm pretty sure the two boards are identical, and as such both have the wider spaced slots. Oh, does that mean regular sli/cf connectors won't reach?
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4. April 2009 @ 08:58 |
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You know, I hadn't even considered that. It's a real possibility.
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4. April 2009 @ 09:01 |
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I guess it would be incredibly retarded on DFI's part if they designed a board specifically for better SLI/CF and then the connectors can't reach... lol. Most CF setups I've seen have those bendy connectors that look like they are a bit longer than they need to be?
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4. April 2009 @ 09:03 |
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They are for double slot, but they're stretched to the limit for triple slot (standard). As a result, Quad slot such as on the DFI x58 boards, and indeed they won't reach. Not sure how you go about getting bigger ones...
The TechGage benchmark is now written up, just graphing it and adding the simulated results. I've omitted the Mirrors Edge results as they use very outdated drivers in the test and there is no crossfire profile with them for Mirrors Edge. I've also omitted NFS:Undercover as I don't really think it matters to most people. Will add later if I'm wrong on that.
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4. April 2009 @ 09:06 |
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The bundled accessories only comes with one CF connector.. don't you need two? I mean, I know they come with the cards themselves, but surely they won't be the long ones..
Edit: and thanks for the card benchmarks you're doing up :)
I found a picture of crossfire on the dfi board here.
Looks like the cards are in the top and bottom slots, as you can see the cmos battery in the middle which is next to the central 16x slot. So it must reach somehow?
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4. April 2009 @ 09:32 |
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4. April 2009 @ 09:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Also, for the lulz,
Lol indeed, 3 games on 3 cards - that must have been a hard review to do. /s
So your simulated gtx275 sli results fare alot better than the simulated 4890x2?
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