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Ace_2
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1. July 2007 @ 11:17 |
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I'd like some advice on how to overclock my E6420 Core 2 Duo more than I currently have. The highest speed I was able to reach was 2.28GHz by increasing the Front Side Bus speed in my motherboard's BIOS from 266 to 286MHz, and I can't go any further as my computer decides to turn on with no video output or power light when I put it at 287 or more, and I have to flip the power switch in the back before I can use the computer again(restores my default setup). Is there any way I can overclock it more than that? I'm using an ASUS P5B-VM motherboard.
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1. July 2007 @ 12:15 |
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Overclocking tends to make things unstable which is countered by increasing the voltage to the cpu. This causes your cpu's temperature to rise so you have to watch that.
One small step at a time works best for me. I'm new to this so this is what I do...
I'll increase the FSB by a small amount, say 5 to 10 Mhz for the inital overclocking and then do a stability test by running at 100% load with Orthos for 15 minutes or so. If that holds, I'll add another 5 Mhz to the fsb. If it fails to boot or crashes during the stability test, I'll add one step of Vcore voltage and test again. I watch temps with Everest running. I write down all my readings so I have an idea of how things are progressing. If I start seeing lots of Vcore needed for small increases in fsb speed then I know I'm getting close to my OC limit.
You don't have to stress test to overclock if you simply want to see how fast you can get it going and still boot into Windows. That's not for me though. I'll run the stress tests.
I don't keep any of my rigs overclocked at their maximum. I back it down so I'm not using more than about 1.45 Vcore volts.
I had my E6700 up to 3.8 Ghz but that was with a bunch of Vcore added and it was running 62°C which is hotter than I like. I use 55°C as a temp limit and 1.45 volts for overclocks I'll keep. These are on the high side of what you would want if you plan on keeping your processor for awhile.
You also have to watch your memory speed if it's linked to your fsb speed. I keep my memory on my Asus boards set to use SPD and keep the speed below whatever the memory is rated for until I get my cpu overclocking done. Then I'll tweak that. You may be pushing your memory speed too much along with the cpu so check that.
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A better cooler is recommended, and then you can start upping the voltages more safely. 1.4V is about all I'd recommend going up to without causing a shorter lifespan!
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1. July 2007 @ 15:28 |
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Actually, I'm not doing anything to my memory. All I'm doing is increasing the speed of my processor. I don't think that can be a problem. But the biggest problem I have is to increase the Vcore voltage, as it seems as though it's a killer if it's raised too much. I'll try with minor adjustments until I can get my Core 2 Duo to reach at least 2.66 GHz in order to meet the recommended requirements in terms of processor speed for my most demanding game(Colin McRae DiRT).
EDIT: Here's some stuff I was able to gather up on my processor temp. and VCore voltage:
Processor temp.: 46 degrees celcius
Mobo temp.: 43 degrees celcius
VCore voltage: 1.296 volts
What's the highest temperature that the Core 2 Duo can operate at?
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Modern games don't usually prevent you from installing based on mhz since "3Ghz or above" had to cover the slowass P4s. Athlons never officially went that high, EVER, and the Core 2s don't without an overclock. That's a big market to price yourself out of!
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1. July 2007 @ 15:55 |
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Ace_2,
If your having to turn off/turn on your psu to get it to reboot I'd say your psu is the problem and one day soon it will go "Fizz Bang Pop and all that"......(Thanks sam!!!)
What psu are you running??
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1. July 2007 @ 17:43 |
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Well... 46°C would be hot if that's your idle temp but would be reasonable under full load.
I would agree about the power supply being a problem if you have to switch it off and on to get a reboot... I'd want to test it more though. Do like you said and start from default settings.
If I were you I'd test each overclock setting with a stress program. That way if and when you reach a point of instability it should just error the stress program and not crash the PC. Try Orthos. You can get it here:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/385...Prime_2004.html
While you are running Orthos, run CoreTemp along side so you can monitor your temperatures:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/
You should also have CPU-Z:
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
That will show you what your overclock settings are as well as a bunch of other stuff.
BTW, as far as GHz requirements go, you can think of any C2D processor as having double what it's rating is, A 2.40 GHz C2D is equivalent to a 4.8 GHz single core processor. That's not technically correct but it works out that way performance wise.
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1. July 2007 @ 18:13 |
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Actually, I'm not doing anything to my memory. All I'm doing is increasing the speed of my processor.
as you increase the buss speed (cpu frequency) you are also increasing the dram (memory) frequency (unless your mobo bios has the option to unlink the fsb:dram ratio). eg: if you are using DDR2 800 memory and it defaulted to or you had it set at 800mhz origially/stock, the memory frequency will also increase as you raise the cpu frequency.
the better quality memory you have, the more it will run over it's rated speed. some memory won't tolerate much. you always need to run the memory at or below it's rated speed (800mhz or below for DDR2 800) while you OC your cpu (to take the memory out of the equation) until you reach the limit of your cpu OC or reach the point you want to OC the cpu. memory speed can definately cause problems when OC'ing the cpu.
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the biggest problem I have is to increase the Vcore voltage, as it seems as though it's a killer if it's raised too much.
raising the vcore shouldn't cause a problem OC'ing the cpu but rather it is requirement. it will however cause the cpu to run hotter. I can't find the spec voltage for the E6420 but for the E6400 it is .850 - 1.3525. yours is only at 1.296. as long as you have a good aftermarket cpu hsf and the cpu temp under load doesn't exceed 60C, you shouldn't have any problems setting the vcore to 1.4000.
keep in mind, the recent C2D's are not as OC friendly as the early released C2D's.
what memory do you have (speed and cas), what frequency is it set at, what are the timings set at, what is the spec voltage for your cpu and what cpu hsf are you using?
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1. July 2007 @ 18:44 |
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Ace_2,
Try setting everything in you bios to stock settings except vcore.
Set it at 1.6v and boot the computer.
If you get into windows, get coretemp and orthos as fasfrank said.
Set the test to small fft's.
Have coretemp running alongside then start the test.Leave it to run for an hour or so(if your temps are ok) and see how you go.
If it shuts down I'm 99.9% sure your psu is heading west.
If it doesnt hiccup leave the voltage at 1.6 and slowly increase your fsb(by 10mhz increments)and see how far you get before it shuts down.
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1. July 2007 @ 19:02 |
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Mort81,
I agree with what you say about the memory,but from what I'm reading the pc will boot at 286 but not 287.
Stock speed is 2.13ghz and he is only getting to 2.28ghz.
This cpu should be good for at least 2.8 without touching vcore settings.
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1. July 2007 @ 19:12 |
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Problem is, when I try to increase the front side bus to 287MHz or more, the computer shuts down, then restarts, then, nothing. No beep, and the power light turns itself off. Then, after cutting the power using the power switch in the back and putting it back, my BIOS says that the overclock failed. I think I HAVE to raise the VCore voltage.
EDIT: All I know about my RAM is that it's running at 667MHz(2x 1GB, Kingston brand).
EDIT 2: Do you think I should increase the VCore voltage to 1.3V and then slowly increase it from there until I reach the speed of an E6700 by doing that and increasing the speed of the front side bus?
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1. July 2007 @ 19:23 |
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1. July 2007 @ 19:29 |
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crowy,
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This cpu should be good for at least 2.8 without touching vcore settings.
you would think but there has been some ppl having problems getting the later bined E6600's to even run at 3.0 with the vcore as high as 1.4 volt.
personally I would be a little leary of setting the vcore to 1.6. 1.5 volt is my cutoff on air. right now I'm just a little over 1.4.
Ace_2,
just for referance and our information
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what memory do you have (speed and cas), what frequency is it set at, what are the timings set at, what is the spec voltage for your cpu and what cpu hsf are you using?
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1. July 2007 @ 19:32 |
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Wait, can't that screw something up? I never flashed any BIOSes on any of my 2 computers.
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1. July 2007 @ 19:43 |
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I don't even know what's half the stuff you're asking for.
UPDATE ON CPU TEMPS: At idle, CoreTemp shows the cores running at around 30-32 degrees celcius. I'll test at maximum load soon and give you an update.
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1. July 2007 @ 19:46 |
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Ace_2,
Yes it can screw something,but then again,so can o/clocking:)
Have a look at the ASUS website,you will find all you need to flash the bios including directions on how to do it safely.
Provided there is no power interruption to your pc while it's flashing you shouldn't have a worry.
Iv'e flashed every board I ever owned without a problem.
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1. July 2007 @ 19:47 |
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you don't know what memory or cpu heatsink fan you're using?
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1. July 2007 @ 19:57 |
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Ace_2,
Have a look at page 60 in your motherboard manual with regards to flashing the bios.
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1. July 2007 @ 20:18 |
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I don't know what you mean by memory, and I don't know what fan or heatsink I'm using.
By the way, under maximum load, my CPU peaked at 54 degrees celcius as its maximum temp. Something's wrong, because on one site, I don't remember which one, it said you can overclock an E6420 to up to 3.23 GHz on stock cooling and still maintain system stability, but it must be running at nearly 70 degrees(my assumption).
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1. July 2007 @ 20:29 |
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Ace_2,
I would say you have stock heatsink and stock fan(HSF).
Download cpu-z here:
http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-140.zip
This will tell you how fast your memory is running as well as your timings,what your cpu is running at and various other things.
Let us know how you go.
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did you have somebody/someplace build your pc or did you buy it preasembled. I highly recommend an aftermarket cpu hsf especially if OC'ing.
BTW cpu-z will tell you what memory you have (make,speed, amount, timings, dual or single channel, etc) and also give you some more details about your pc. it's free.
crowy,
you posted while I was typing. good idea :)
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Set it at 1.6v and boot the computer.
That's a bit steep to recommend, at least on the thread. Last thing we want is some newbie seeing that and promptly blowing his CPU! Maybe with a better cooler, but at 1.4V you are exceeding the Intel design limits of the chip by a bit. The general trend here at AD has always been 1.40 for the C2D as the limit on air. Go higher at your own risk! Funny things start to happen to the core temps with some of the C2Ds past 1.40v. I know, my E4300 the core temps start fluctuating wildly past 1.40v! What ever it is can't be good for the chip
Either his 6420 has poor stepping, is badly binned or both as 2.28 should be a very mild OC If what I've read about it is true. I know with my 4300 2.25 was my first stop in OC-ing it. Next stop was 3.01!
That's why I want to get a 4400 with it's 10x multiplier. It should hit 3.4 on my MB with less stress than I give it now with the 4300 at 3.276! 340 base fsb is all it will take to reach 3.4. Run the memory multi at 2.75 which lets the memory run at 935MHz. Should be very fast and voltage won't be a problem running the fsb at 340!
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That's why I want to get a 4400 with it's 10x multiplier. It should hit 3.4 on my MB with less stress than I give it now
unless the binning sucks on the new 4400's like it does with the new 6600's. are you going to try and find an early production 4400 with the good binning off ebay?
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Mort81,
There are too many factors that can negatively affect the final result. Here I have to mention ?FSB Wall? effect, limited mainboard abilities when it comes to FSB frequency increase, and even insufficient frequency potential of the younger processor models, because they are often built on the cores that didn?t get selected for more expensive CPUs. In other words, the overclocking result on Core 2 Duo E6420, E6320 or E4400 will have a lot to do with simple luck.
I've gotten lucky with my past 4 CPUs! Who am I to up-set a trend! LOL!! I guess that's why the reports are so different from person to person on the 4400! Some OC great and some don't! Me, I'm expecting the best! LOL!! Gotta have faith!
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