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The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread
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15. June 2009 @ 11:49 |
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Lol it's not quite that bad. It's simply a case that nvidia are more popular and as I say, do a much better job of sucking people into their products. As a result, it's no surprise that the more 'simple' folk buy them. That does not, however, mean that anyone who buys an nvidia card should fall into that category. They're perfectly respectable products. It's just that for me, ATI is doing the job right.
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15. June 2009 @ 11:54 |
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I think I may have been a tad harsh due to the fact that I know at least 3 people who have gone straight from 360 to Intel Nvidia PC and expect me to sort stuff out they don't understand. It drives me MENTAL!!!
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15. June 2009 @ 11:56 |
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Like I say, they're the obvious choices. It's no reflection on the quality of the products themselves. Personally I don't mind people coming to me for advice about stuff like that, but one thing that drives me crazy is "I bought this. Is it good?". Why not ask beforehand...
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15. June 2009 @ 12:00 |
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I don't mind peeps asking me some stuff and respect to them for ditching the crapbox but it really winds me up when they expect me to fit Intel CPU's and then go about saying AMD/ATi stuff is crap and there systems are ultimately better.
Anywho I 'think' my rant is now over....
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15. June 2009 @ 12:05 |
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What's funny is that the 360 has an ATI graphics chip inside it...
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15. June 2009 @ 12:18 |
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Wrong, I don't like the 360 :P
But the fact of the matter is you're biased towards ATI - heard that story about ATI not letting Palit and Gainward sell the 4890 and 4770 (at least I think it was that one)? It's because they put GDDR5 RAM in the 4850 when it should be GDDR3, thus making the cards better than ones from Saphire etc. - ATI wouldn't want to harm the sales of their favourite suck up suppliers, would it?
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15. June 2009 @ 12:25 |
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That's not being unfair on the customers, that's just getting back at suppliers who don't agree to the terms they set down for producing manufacturers cards. ATI are perfectly within their right to withold a particular card model from a company if they modify it to an extent that could be problematic. The last thing ATI need is egg on their face because a company messed up making their own version of a card. Cue the Gecube X1950XT AGP. There was a wealth of people who sworn never to buy ATI again after that travesty of a card. It was never ATI's fault, they didn't authorise it in the first place.
Also, not to gloss over the point entirely, but with so many manufacturers for ATI these days, remembering that Palit and Gainward are partners together, there are plenty of other brands out there that do the same job. 'Screwing' if you can even call it that, one of the board partners versus screwing the consumer is entirely different.
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15. June 2009 @ 12:43 |
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Of course that's screwing with the consumer - we get worse cards for the same price. And no, the manufacturers were perfectly within their rights to change the RAM type... It's almost as minor as a non reference cooler.
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15. June 2009 @ 12:51 |
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Think for a minute. No it isn't.
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15. June 2009 @ 12:52 |
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GDDR5 in a 4850 would cause all sorts of trouble. The lesser GPU would have performance issues from gaffer taping the resource intensive GDDR5 to it (look at the PS3 Cell, they gave it 8 PPU's and ended up turning one off because it was confusing things internally, thus with each unit you pay for something not used).
Also why would you want one? the 4870 is more expensive due to the GDDR5 and it uses more power because of the GDDR5 so all the advantages of the 4850 are instantly lost.
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15. June 2009 @ 12:59 |
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I don't think the power consumption is really due to the GDDR5, it's more due to the extra power the bigger core requires, but agreed, a GDDR5 HD4850 is a little on the needless side.
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15. June 2009 @ 13:03 |
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I give up, ATI fanboys ;)
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15. June 2009 @ 13:06 |
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LOL - nothing to do with fanboyism :)
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15. June 2009 @ 14:55 |
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This is more a case of a Nvidia fanboy failing at making a point!!!
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15. June 2009 @ 15:03 |
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Since when was I a fanboy? I don't believe you made a point and you're the ones saying ATI's good and nVidia's bad - aka fanboys.
I never actually said one was better than the other, so shut the f*** up. I expected better of you guys.
/rant
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15. June 2009 @ 15:10 |
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No, actually, I'm not f***ing done... I'm so p***ed off about keith1993's last post that I'm double posting >:(
I'm a fanboy?! Why, because I just bought one of their cards and stuck up for them when you guys were slagging them off without need? Then yes, I'm a fanboy...
I have a Nintendo DS but I hate the thing; I guess I'm a Nintendo fanboy.
I like the ATI cards, they're good, but I just happened to not buy one - I guess I therefore think they're s***!
Now /rant
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15. June 2009 @ 15:13 |
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Sorry if you found me a lil harsh but you did call me a fanboy!
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15. June 2009 @ 15:56 |
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the core fo the 4870 and 4850 are the same, bar clock differences, so sticking GDDR5 wouldnt harm it in any way. i do think that ATI made a blunder with palit, who hold the biggest marketshare fo GFX cards in asia.
both compies do underhanded stuff.
hell ati reduced the proccess and just modified the HD2900 to get the 3870/50
i like these fanboi comments from both sides :P
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15. June 2009 @ 16:15 |
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Wow, very spirited debate with good points on both sides, including shaff's comments above.
After careful deliberation and consideration of everything that has been said, I declare myself COMPLETELY neutral. No 'fanboi' here.
I DO think it's fair to say, however, that the way that Nvidia does things vs how ATI does things is almost exactly like the election that Ahmadinejad just stole from Mousavi. :P
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15. June 2009 @ 16:24 |
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wheres the essay rich! :P
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15. June 2009 @ 17:02 |
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No comment on the rant. Like I said, I'm slightly biased, but not for bias' sake.
Shaff: Modified the HD2900? The HD3800 was a complete redesign. The power usage of the two cards alone should be enough to illustrate that. The HD3870 uses no more power than an HD4850, the HD2900XT used even more power than a HD4870, nearing that of an HD4850X2. No single tier die shrink earns that.
ATI aren't saints, but they are a lot more honest than nvidia, I know at least that much.
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15. June 2009 @ 19:00 |
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Originally posted by shaff:
wheres the essay rich! :P
LOL
Everybody else is saying, "Thank god, no essay!"
Coming from a position of COMPLETE neutrality, I think it's fair to say that ATI is like Robin Hood, whereas Nvidia is like the Sheriff of Nottingham. :P
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15. June 2009 @ 19:02 |
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LOL!
Thats good stuff rich :D
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15. June 2009 @ 19:24 |
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Interesting analogy...
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15. June 2009 @ 20:14 |
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I knew a Brit like you would relate.
It's important, for those of us in positions of COMPLETE neutrality, like Switzerland, that we not take sides, and of course remain as impartial and as objective as possible.
However, a little closer to home, I think it's fair to say that the way Nvidia operates somehow reminds me of the Attack on Pearl Harbor :P
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