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15. June 2009 @ 20:19 |
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yes i agree on the power usage, but the proccess went from 80nm to 55nm.
thats a massive leap.
otherwise, performance wise it was the sameish
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15. June 2009 @ 20:36 |
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ish, but not identical, the HD3870 and HD2900XT compared similarly but not identically, and more importantly in some games the difference changed hands or expanded.
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15. June 2009 @ 21:37 |
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I would agree with BOTH of those comments unequivocally, especially the part about ish.
Coming from a position of COMPLETE neutrality, I am dismayed to perceive that there is some lingering suspicion that I am actually biased, so I would like to state here, for the record, that in no way, shape or form is that true.
Furthermore, having visited New York many times, Nvidia's business practices DO NOT remind me of 911.
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15. June 2009 @ 22:38 |
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lol rich, pik a side fool!!!!! :P
i still have yet to pick one despite what it may look like
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15. June 2009 @ 23:11 |
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Hold on! Jeez Lueez!! Woah Nellie!!
I am suddenly under INTENSE fire!! Every time I go into my Outlook Express my tower starts smoking! Was it my innocent reference to 911? That MUST be it!
Sorry, sorry, sorry. I forgot how upset everybody still is over that.
The 911 tragedy not only stupefied everybody in Manhattan, but it was soon followed by the subway bombings, which stupefied everybody in London, which themselves were quickly followed by the unusual spectacle of normally friendly Mossad-trained bobbies blowing the brains out of terrified trench-coated Brazilians with expired visas. Now THAT?S some scary stuff.
And then our buds in Spain, with their own subway problems, pulled their troops from the United Nations joint police action in Iraq, which left them in the painful position of being virtually isolated in a tiny minority of nations questioning the wisdom of George W?s rousing adventure.
Wow, amigos, sorry for the national humiliation that must have brought you!
So, yes, I MUST face my critics ? INDEED I should have chosen my words more carefully.
I absolutely understand, as several have mentioned, that in my important position of COMPLETE neutrality, it behooves me to retain the utmost sensitivity.
I only hope that my critics can understand that I was merely attempting to clarify the ATI vs. Nvidia discussion by making an impartial observation.
Let me try again:
Going back a safe distance in history, I hereby RE-STATE FOR THE RECORD, that Nvidia?s business practices certainly DO NOT entirely remind me of Genghis Khan?s rape of central Asia!
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16. June 2009 @ 00:49 |
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16. June 2009 @ 00:51 |
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I had a very close near miss with the london underground bombings, so that one's quite close to heart. The 911 isn't totally detached either, my mum used to work in the world trade center for a short period in the 1980s. I'd say it's probably best not to compare anything to stuff like that, just in case :P
I knew the link was innocent and so should anyone with a brain but you know what some people are like.
Shaff: Isn't that link obvious? Two bottleneck trends. CPU is a fixed plateau, GPU is a variant figure based on demand and GPU performance. It's how every benchmark runs.
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16. June 2009 @ 01:50 |
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but it shows that the cpu doesnt matter after about 2.3-2.5GHz in games
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16. June 2009 @ 02:13 |
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With a GTX280 at least... but in most games that's about right considering that's an i7. 2.5Ghz for an i7 is probably closer to about 2.8-2.9Ghz for a Yorkfield Core 2 Quad, 3.0-3.3Ghz or so for a Wolfdale Duo depending on the cache, 3.2-3.3Ghz for a Phenom II or Kentsfield Core 2 Quad, and around 3.6Ghz for an original Athlon X2 or Phenom - so you can see, there's still a limitation as far as older CPus are concerned, it's just that it doesn't phase latter Core 2s or i7s and the overclock required for a Phenom II is achievable.
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16. June 2009 @ 03:31 |
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16. June 2009 @ 03:33 |
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So far it's just EVGA and Sparkle that have produced 2GB solo GTX285s, but two of those in SLI will set you back a more reasonable £670, if you have the architecture to back it up. I think this summer's hardware will probably render the MARS redundant.
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16. June 2009 @ 03:34 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Product.aspx?WebProductId=1032048
You forgot to say, "Its a FREAK of technology" LOL!
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16. June 2009 @ 12:50 |
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Received card at 10AM :)
Finally, Crysis on Very High (not that i can be bothered to play through the whole game again, it's just good to say my PC can run it at that ^.^) With AA it starts to lag a bit but it's not too bad; the 8800GT practically keeled over with the slightest whiff of it...
Seems like it's perfectly stable, PSU hasn't changed fan note at all or anything, card is a lot quieter (with 40% fan speed at load) than the 8800GT (whose fan rose to 100% at load), and tons cooler (highest i've seen it go so far is 51oC, which was in Mirror's Edge, surprisingly). Also turns out the card DOES step down all clocks in 2D mode, despite what the Fudzilla review said.
All in all; oh i do love it ^.^
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16. June 2009 @ 13:33 |
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Well as far as Nvidia vs ATi I'm fairly neutral. Nvidia cards offer performance advantages in a lot of games I like, but ATi has much higher image quality. My 4870s' AA, texture filtering, and video acceleration/quality are superior to Nvidia's. But my 9800GTX and 8800GTS 512MB were good deals, perform well, and still look very good all things considered. I might be slightly biased towards ATi as my current main rig uses Crossfire :P
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but it shows that the cpu doesnt matter after about 2.3-2.5GHz in games
It may not matter for the average framerates but it makes a huge difference for the minimums and maximums. Not to mention physics, AI, background loading, and the many other things that are CPU dependent. I guarantee you will notice the difference between a 2.2GHz i7 and a 4GHz i7 in Crysis with a single GTX280. And this isn't even taking into account multi card setups!
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16. June 2009 @ 13:40 |
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Standing up for nvidia a little here, the image quality is better for the GTX200 series than it was for the 8800/9800s. Since the GTS250 is so similar to the 9800GTX+ I'm not sure it will share those advantages.
As far as dual graphics is concerned, SLi is more popular and works for more games, often getting higher scaling. However, the few games I play most often of all actually see much more benefit from CF than SLI (left 4 Dead for instance doesn't actually support Quad SLI at all, yet in Quad CF it scales over 350%)
Agreed on the minimum frame rates, it's the main thing I look at in benchmarks now. 60fps average with a few drops to 20fps is far worse than a continuous 45fps with no dips.
I'm still glad I have a Quad crossfire system, but next time around I'll pass. Apart from not having the money, it's just too limited in scope (though not as much as I thought) and too hot and noisy for me.
Here's hoping there'll be some commonality between aftermarket X2 heatsinks and the next X2 card...
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16. June 2009 @ 13:44 |
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i think my next card might be an nvidia, as i soo wanna try out 3d
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16. June 2009 @ 13:50 |
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3D is nice, but very expensive for the rest of the setup. I was considering making my light PC an nvidia PC for just that purpose but it was prohibitively expensive.
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16. June 2009 @ 20:19 |
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Wow Sam. Your mom worked at one time in the former world trade center buildings, and you had a near miss with the London underground bombings. Some things are too close to home to be taken lightly.
Very similar to a conversation I had three months ago. I was down in TJ (Tijuana, Mexico) accompanying a relative on a dental visit (2 hours south of Orange County - a good way to practice my spanish) and I asked the Dentist's daughter who was running the reception desk "All that stuff we're hearing about gang shootouts down here - the problems with the narco-traficantes (drug dealers) - is that really as bad as they say, or just hyped up by the press?" She said, "Well my uncle was at a party recently and was caught in a gang crossfire."
I'm not sure about any more trips to TJ.
So over all, Sam, the heat and noise of the quad has put you off on that experiment? Well, aren't we all waiting for a new 5000 family with gpus small enough to put 4 on a single board - weren't they talking about that last year?
Or is everything backed up because of the weak world economy?
If you think the Mars will lose some of its glory in a few months, what do you guys think is coming this summer?
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16. June 2009 @ 21:41 |
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Well I'm still glad I did what I did, but I'm so short on funds I really need to sell part of it to carry on living as I do now. This summer I do expect a new generation, it's difficult to predict whether it'll be as big an increase as the last new generation, but it should be pretty potent. Even a 50% increase in performance over current will render the MARS almost pointless, especially if 2GB GPUs become popular.
The MARS was really just a tech showoff by Asus though, it's so expensive because there will be at least 1000 people in the world willing to pay $1600 for a graphics card.
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16. June 2009 @ 22:20 |
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Yeah, I guess - for sure there must be 1000 of those guys around. Will it run in sli?
Will there be at least one of those guys who will pay $3200 to rape crysis or warhead on 30" ??
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16. June 2009 @ 22:23 |
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Yes it will, but only dual, so you can still only run 4 GPUs. Four 2GB GTX285s though.
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16. June 2009 @ 22:24 |
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hello gentlemen! its been a while :) I have just finished installing L4D, can't wait to try out the single player. But before I start playing it, I have a question that some of you may be able to help with :)
I have the mobo in my sig, which some of you may know has the ALC889 audio chip, with a 7.1 capable optical output. I am currently using this, and I'm quite sure I have the right drivers installed. I don't have computer speakers as such - I used to have a set of Z5500s but I ditched them in favour of an actual stereo - a sony muteki htddw7000 to be exact. It's a 7.1 channel head unit with optical and hdmi input and it's supposed to be able to decode everything. But if I'm playing a game and choose '7.1 speakers' in the audio options, I lose half my sound! What I mean is, if I am staring directly at someone who is talking - everything is fine. Loud and clear out of the center speaker. But as soon as I deviate left or right, the sound sort of 'disappears' half way between the center and front speakers. Know what I mean? This head unit is quite confusing - it has a lot of options for Pro logic and dolby etc. so I don't know which setting to have it on in order to pick up the 7.1 sound from the PC correctly. The head unit has a little display on it that tells me which speakers are receiving sound, and if I leave everything on 'auto' decoding settings, when I enter a game it only shows 2 speakers running :S
Here are the spec sheets for people that understand all this stuff and might be able to tell me why the head unit isn't decoding properly...
Realtek 889
Sony speakers
cheers in advance fellas
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16. June 2009 @ 23:06 |
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Wow, Rubbix from down under, how's your DFI so far? Looks like we'll soon have you in our little L4D tank-killing group, eh? - along with Shokz and his new hot graphics card, and Kevin if he's finished with the sprinklers.
I'm the wrong guy to ask about your 7.1 question - but the way I would approach it, before I tried it on a game, is to try it on music.
Maybe you have already done this. But if not, you can find wav file tests on google where the girl says, front right, side right, rear right, etc. I just went through that recently to check out my 5.1 headphones. There is one YouTube video, for example, where the little dot goes around a circle, and in my 5.1 headphones, I can hear the little bumble bee going around from front, to side, to back, to other side, etc.
This came up recently for me on counter strike source, just before I started played Left 4 Dead a month or so ago. For some reason I went to the CSS speaker test, and the rear right and left were switched.
I asked myself how that was possible. You plug in front, and you plug in rear, so to uncross I would have to cut and splice. But the google wav files, and the YouTube video, showed that my built-in headphone speakers are fine. Nothing wrong with the wiring.
That makes me wonder if the CSS speaker test is indicative of how the game really runs, or is it just a bad test? I can't believe the latter - somebody would have told Valve by now - so if the test is fine - and my rear is actually crossed - then my steam files are messed up.
Maybe I should do Sam's recent suggestion of having steam check my css files - possibly there is some corruption. Yeah I'll do that first.
So if you haven't already tried that, working with a simple 7.1 wav file: "Center, front right, side right, back right" etc. should help you get things squared away - you can try every option possible until something works. Good luck - and how's your pet kangaroo these days? Or was that your pet Great White?
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16. June 2009 @ 23:43 |
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NVM wrong thread
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17. June 2009 @ 01:38 |
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LOL! Yes! I finished the sprinklers. It was in the third spot I checked. You know what they say...3rd times a charm LOL! Irrigation is almost perfect now. I still have to replace a few sprinkler heads, but otherwise, its running well.
I dont know that I'll be able to play this Wednesday though. Wednesday's are typically hectic for me. I try and get all that hectic stuff done on tuesdays, but it doesn't always work out. Please don't ask about it. Im rather ashamed about it. Perhaps a P.m. though, and if your lucky...
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