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Shaff,
I know that I've seen claims that some socket AM2s can be flashed to accept them, but they are a socket AM2+ CPU, and won't work as well as a socket AM2+ because it looses some of the features that the socket AM2+ MB's have. You would have to check the MB manufacturer to find out. That's what made me choose the 790G chipset AM2+ motherboard so I can go from the 7750 BE to a Phenon II. There are also a number of AM2+ MBs that can be flashed to AM3 running DDR2 as the next generation Phenom II will have support for both DDR2 and DDR3.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I believe so. (Linky)
I read what the link said and they are completely 100% wrong! All the Brisbanes are socket AM2 CPUs, and they work just fine in a socket AM2+ motherboard. In fact they gain about 15-20% in performance just by using a 780G motherboard. I know that for sure because I recently built one with a x2 4400+! The only socket AM2+ x2 CPU that AMD makes at the moment is the new 7750 Black Edition. It's why I want it! The only other AM2+ CPU there are are the Phenom x3 and x4 and the new phenom IIs. You can take that to the bank as I am 100% certain on this!
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8. January 2009 @ 18:59 |
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Sorry about that peeps. Pretty gullible here sometimes. Ehh... I wouldnt wanna do that anyways. I try and keep things PROPER. Less bugs, instability, etc.
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Sorry about that peeps. Pretty gullible here sometimes. Ehh... I wouldnt wanna do that anyways. I try and keep things PROPER. Less bugs, instability, etc.
omegaman7,
You were just going by something you read by people who should know better, that's all. I have a feeling they meant well, but just didn't research it enough first. The socket AM3 Phenoms will be backward compatible with socket AM2+ motherboards, if the MB supports it. The Gigabyte I'm getting will! I don't consider $138 expensive for the top of the line! It was all in a number of articles I posted on the AMD Building thread.
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8. January 2009 @ 19:19 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Sorry about that peeps. Pretty gullible here sometimes. Ehh... I wouldnt wanna do that anyways. I try and keep things PROPER. Less bugs, instability, etc.
omegaman7,
You were just going by something you read by people who should know better, that's all. I have a feeling they meant well, but just didn't research it enough first. The socket AM3 Phenoms will be backward compatible with socket AM2+ motherboards, if the MB supports it. The Gigabyte I'm getting will! I don't consider $138 expensive for the top of the line! It was all in a number of articles I posted on the AMD Building thread.
Best Regards,
Russ
Thanks. :D Gonna have to try a Giga board next time. Might just surprise me.
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8. January 2009 @ 23:30 |
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Has anybody who has used an E8400 had stuck sensors on both cores?
For the last two PC's I've built so far, both of which I installed an E8400 in, have had stuck sensors. Is it just bad luck, or is this common?
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Originally posted by mrk44:
Has anybody who has used an E8400 had stuck sensors on both cores?
For the last two PC's I've built so far, both of which I installed an E8400 in, have had stuck sensors. Is it just bad luck, or is this common?
ive had 3 E8400's the first 2 didnt have any sensor problems, this one i have now core0 has a stuck sensor. it wont go below 45c(well it has a few times but not normaly) but once under load it works fine. just go by the temp on the sensor that works.
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8. January 2009 @ 23:59 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
Originally posted by mrk44:
Has anybody who has used an E8400 had stuck sensors on both cores?
For the last two PC's I've built so far, both of which I installed an E8400 in, have had stuck sensors. Is it just bad luck, or is this common?
ive had 3 E8400's the first 2 didnt have any sensor problems, this one i have now core0 has a stuck sensor. it wont go below 45c(well it has a few times but not normaly) but once under load it works fine. just go by the temp on the sensor that works.
lol That would be good if I had a sensor that works. They're BOTH stuck! Both at 31C on the last one I installed. The one before that, one of the sensors was stuck at 22C.
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for AM2+ users, the phenom II is a superb upgrade, for anyone on a C2D, popping in a C2Q would be better :)
for people making a new build..... im stumped looooool!!
depends on price i guess.
but its sad to see the the new AMDs are only competing with a 1 year old tech... :(
really shows the power of i7 on everything, bar single GPU setups in games.
BTW 3GB is enough aswell. esp with win 7 coming, which wont use as much RAM as vista. AND even is its 1333MHz cas9, honestly how much difference real life did 800 MHz 444 12, to 1066 444 12, OR even 1066 555-15 to 1066 444 12.
IMO, bar benchmarks, it made no difference what so ever.
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Originally posted by spamual:
for AM2+ users, the phenom II is a superb upgrade, for anyone on a C2D, popping in a C2Q would be better :)
for people making a new build..... im stumped looooool!!
depends on price i guess.
but its sad to see the the new AMDs are only competing with a 1 year old tech... :(
really shows the power of i7 on everything, bar single GPU setups in games.
BTW 3GB is enough aswell. esp with win 7 coming, which wont use as much RAM as vista. AND even is its 1333MHz cas9, honestly how much difference real life did 800 MHz 444 12, to 1066 444 12, OR even 1066 555-15 to 1066 444 12.
IMO, bar benchmarks, it made no difference what so ever.
The only thing that will hold back i7 is the economy. If the times were better, it would be a huge success. It's going to get a whole lot worse too! With the cost of power going up just about every day, Wattage is going to matter a lot, and i7 is very power hungry compared to the Yorkfields and the Phenom II. Even the 7750 BE I want, draws only 8 watts more than the Q6600 under load and draws 2 watts less at idle. That's where the market will be for the next couple of years here in the US, and the competition is getting tougher because of it. Sales are way down, and the light at the end of the tunnel, if there is one, is a long way off! Not trying to poop on anyone's parade, but these are the sad facts in the US. I should be all right because a lot more people are going to fix rather than replace. It's the lesser of two evils. I'll be working for food next
I can build a brand new AMD x2 6000+, Freezer 64, 250GB Seagate drive, MSI MB, 2GB 667 Ram, Case w/ fans, DVD burner and a 450w PSU for $350-$375 right now! I can do a x2 4200+ with a Biostar MB, with the same stuff for about $310-$330. I can even do an Intel E2200 same deal except using a window case for about $275, and still make enough money on them to live! That's the market here in California right now, and this is one of the wealthier states! I had a woman come to me today wanting to sell a laptop. Brand doesn't matter. She paid $900 for it just last year and is asking $700. I told her $250 tops. I can't sell it, no matter what it is for $700. I would be lucky if I could sell it for $350. The lady who is buying my computer has put me on hold till the end of the month because she takes IV treatments three time a week for Chronic Arthritis, and they refuse to accept medicare anymore, starting Yesterday. That's $750 a week she doesn't have. Did I mention it's going to get worse!
Like I said, i7 is a wonderful computer, It's fast as all get out, but far too expensive for the times. It's initial costs are much higher and it uses too much power. Some well off enthusiasts will buy them, but Intel can't afford to keep losing money on them. The average guy is where the market is for mainstream computing. Guys that don't overclock or have big bucks, that represent 90% of the global market and can't afford to buy any longer. I had a Real Estate Agency call me today and I looked at their computer and the 12v had shorted over to the 5v in the PSU and blew everything out. CPU, memory and all the Drives. I gave them a price of $350 for a new console. I'm betting right now they can't afford it! And these are people who specialize in helping people keep their homes and avoid Foreclosures. There's just no money to be had! I hate to be Mr Doom and Gloom, but that's just the way it is! As we cut back and start buying less from overseas, it's going to affect the economies worldwide before it's over! That could take years. It took years to get into this mess, and it's going to take years to get out of it! There is no quick fix. The idiots in Washington just gave a ton of money to GM and Chrysler! For what?? The lots are full of cars, people can't afford to buy now. The Unions don't want to give up anything and the big guys want to keep their high salaries they earn for failing to do a good job. Let someone else pay the tab, as long as it isn't them! The problem is no one has any money to pay it with!
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yep, i can understand your points, but sayiing the the 7750BE ONLY consumes a bit more than the Q6600.... thats not great. an E5200 would be much better for price, performance and wattage :)
but remember, this is an enthusiasts forum, we will continue to buy PC parts, as its our hobby. to get my rig, i had to live of 1 meal a day, some times 2, for a 2 months. and tbh the only way to get out of a reccession is to buy!
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Not strictly true, if you do use vista right now, 3GB is certainly not eough, loads of games will break that. I agree that memory speeds have no appreciable real-world difference in performance.
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An update on my darned failed motherboard. Have tried all manner of troubleshooting, swapping all components out with spares, disconnecting all connections, power, SATA, etc etc. Best i could muster from the (very clever) mobo fault LED's is that the BIOS is somehow corrupted. Nothing whatsoever helped.
So... it's being sent in for RMA. As they no longer sell this particular board they say that if it's found to be faulty they will refund me the money so i can choose a.n.other board.
I think i'd be wise to buy another board anyway as the RMA could take some time.
Am leaning towards the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3 - http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145686/sho...ectype=extended - i see they only have 2 in so i might just go for it...
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Hehe, that's my approach :)
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Originally posted by mrk44:
lol That would be good if I had a sensor that works. They're BOTH stuck! Both at 31C on the last one I installed. The one before that, one of the sensors was stuck at 22C.
so they wont even change when under load??? thats odd??
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Originally posted by spamual:
yep, i can understand your points, but sayiing the the 7750BE ONLY consumes a bit more than the Q6600.... thats not great. an E5200 would be much better for price, performance and wattage :)
but remember, this is an enthusiasts forum, we will continue to buy PC parts, as its our hobby. to get my rig, i had to live of 1 meal a day, some times 2, for a 2 months. and tbh the only way to get out of a reccession is to buy!
True, but the E5200's low fsb, even highly overclocked is like a noose around it's neck. I saw this going from the E4300 to the E6750. The performance was fairly equal in terms of benchmarks, with the exception of memory bandwidth, but in terms of actual work the E6750 was easily 25% or more faster! Memory bandwidth with the E5200 suffers by a good bit too with the E5200, and when it comes to Video encoding or Video editing, it can't compete with the 7750BE. Hell, it can't compete with the $55 45w x2 4850e! For my intended uses the 7750BE for me, is the better deal, and it games pretty well too. Consider also that in benchmarks, it's better than some of the higher end Phenom x4s. Take into account that the 7750BE "is" a Phenom x4 with 2 working cores, and that should start you thinking, why is it better and what happens with the current Phenom x4 when that technology gain is applied to them. Actually, the most bang for the buck you can get right now in terms of Price/Performance/Wattage is the 4850E Athlon x2 and with just a 45W TDP it has tons of thermal overhead. It's pretty easy to get x2 6000+ or more performance out of it, for a fraction of the cost!
I know this is an enthusiast's forum, but even enthusiasts need money to buy all the high tech goodies with, and eventually all this BS that's going on in the US is going to affect most of the economies of the world, and that recession you mention is rapidly descending into a depression. The difference comparing today to just before Christmas 08, can easily be visibly seen! You can't just stop eating completely, so how does one save with no money?!
I know it's hard for you to see and understand because you are so young, but when you are an old guy like me, who's lived through other recessions, what's going on today is something I've never seen the likes of before! Most of the people alive today have never seen anything like it before either! I really feel for you young people, as after people like me are gone. You guys are the ones going to be left holding the bag, and you young people are the ones that will ultimately be left to pick up the pieces! Very scary stuff!
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The 7750 only beats the Phenoms in strictly single core tests, which is obvious as it's clocked higher.
As for the E5200 not competing with the 4850e, er, what? I'm going to assume there's been a bit of a misunderstanding there...
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The 7750 only beats the Phenoms in strictly single core tests, which is obvious as it's clocked higher.
As for the E5200 not competing with the 4850e, er, what? I'm going to assume there's been a bit of a misunderstanding there...
the E5200 can't compete with the x2 4850e when it comes to video encoding, video editing or Recoding! That's was the comparison I was making.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Not exactly:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12...200-oc-review/6
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/12...200-oc-review/8
The E5200 even bests the 7750 in everything but x264 and Cinebench, and they're equals in the latter.
Sam,
Perhaps at stock speeds, but I think they have something wrong in their setup, because I've never seen that poor a result in any of the tests of the 4850e I've seen on other sites. My E6750 would eat the E5200 for lunch when it comes to Encoding! Even overclocked to 4GHz, it can't compete with my memory bandwidth or my 1775MHz fsb, and even the x2 4400+ on the 780G I recently built was almost as fast as mine encoding, and was better than the E4300 ever was! I spent a lot of time reviewing the 4850e, and that's one of the reasons I was considering it!
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spamual,
You were asking about backwards compatibility, and I found this. Technically speaking it's up to the Motherboard Manufacturers. They could easily extend backwards compatibility all the way back to AM2, with just a bios flash. I doubt that many will make AM2 compatible with either AM2+ or AM3, but it can be done. You just lose the additional features that AM2+ and AM3 provide. I'm sold on the idea that I can drop an AM3 Phenom II in a socket AM2+ MB and still gain everything but DDR3 memory speed, since it supports both memory types. It offers you so many more affordable options, without penalizing you for not having enough money. My personal feeling is that it's going to be a great selling tool with the economy in the toilet! The moral to this story is that you can buy half a loaf, which is better than no loaf at all! LOL!! Here's the full explanation of the backwards compatibility.
Socket-AM2, AM2+ and AM3: Backwards Compatibility
AMD fixed the cache size issue, it fixed the power consumption problem, and we even got higher clock speeds with Phenom II. What I didn?t expect was something more. AMD has always been a manufacturer for the customers. Over the past couple of years the problem has been that their processors haven?t really been desired by consumers, but prior to that the AMD that we know and love designed processors for today?s applications with a minimal number of platform changes between processors.
Phenom II carries AMD?s consumer focused nature to the next level. Today?s Phenom II parts are designed for Socket-AM2+ motherboards. AMD doesn?t qualify any of them for use on Socket-AM2 motherboards, but there?s nothing stopping a motherboard maker from enabling support on a standard AM2 motherboard. You will need a BIOS update.
Next month, AMD will launch the first Socket-AM3 Phenom II processors. The main difference here is that these parts will support DDR3 memory. Oh no, another socket, right? Wrong.
Socket-AM3 Phenom II parts will also work in Socket-AM2+ motherboards, the two are pin-compatible. When in an AM2+ board, these upcoming Phenom II processors will work in DDR2 mode, but when in an AM3 board they will work in DDR3 mode. How cool is that?
This unique flexibility is largely due to the work that was done on the DDR2 and DDR3 specs at JEDEC. The number of signaling pins and the signaling pins themselves between DDR2 and DDR3 don?t actually change on the memory controller side; the main differences are routing and termination at the memory socket side. AMD just needed a physical memory interface on Phenom II that could operate at both 1.8V (DDR2) and 1.5V (DDR3) as well as work with timings for either memory technology. The potential was there to do this on the first Phenom, it just wasn?t ready in time, but with the Socket-AM3 Phenom II processors you?ll be able to do it.
While I?m not sure how practically useful the AM3/AM2+ flexibility will be, I?d rather have it than not. Being able to take one CPU and stick it in two different sockets, each with a different memory technology, and have it just work is the most customer-centric move I?ve ever seen either company make. AMD told me that this plan was in the works before the original Phenom ever launched, somewhere in the 2004 timeframe. AMD was active in JEDEC on making the DDR2 and DDR3 specs similar enough that this one-CPU, two-sockets approach could work.
One of the biggest risks AMD faced when it chose to integrate the memory controller was what would happen if there was a sudden shift in memory technology. With the upcoming Socket-AM3 versions of Phenom II, that risk is completely mitigated by the fact that a single chip can work with either memory technology. It gives OEMs a tremendous amount of flexibility to ship systems with either DDR2 or DDR3 memory depending on which is more cost effective. It also ensures a much smoother transition to DDR3.
The downside for AMD is that because Socket-AM3 Phenom II chips are right around the corner, it makes little sense to buy one of these Socket-AM2+ Phenom II processors - at least not until we know the pricing and availability of the Socket-AM3 versions.
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Russ, I love your explanations. You seem to leave no questions unanswered, Are you a teacher/professor :D
Well guys/gals If you dont hear from me in the next 24hrs... something went wrong. Back to square one! Reinstalling windows. Giving this windows 7 public beta release a go :D Heard WAY too many good things about this OS, to not give it a shot. Sooo... is styleXP obsolete now. Given the name, I would think it is. But then, if windows 7 uses the same protcols, file types reg settings... etc???
Having a video/driver issue going on among other things. This just seems the most viable option. Ordinarily I can narrow the problem down, but video is only ONE problem. Any of you peeps give "7" a shot???
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Other sites - I've not managed to even find a review of the 4850e anywhere else so far... :S Where else have you been looking? (I don't want previews, I want retail reviews)
This is what I read though, the motherboard manufacturers could have made their oldest AM2 boards compatible with the Phenom IIs provide they had strong 95 Amp Vregs, but they chose not to in order to force people to buy new motherboards - more money for them. The C-DS3R series from Gigabyte is a nice means of having both DDR2 and DDR3 functionality, but until there are 4GB DDR3 modules available, they're limited to 4GB of memory. Not a huge issue, but some people like more.
The AM2+/AM3 dual memory support option illustrates another of AMD's pros, which is engineering cool stuff, without any real reason for doing it, other than showing superior R&D.
Omegaman: Very tempted to do it when I collect my SSD. Going to leave vista on my 7200rpm HDD, but probably going to partition the SSD into two halves for XP and 7. I think 30GB should just about cover both right?
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I've got 7 Beta installed on my HP laptop, haven't got around to finishing the setup though, eldest is mooching on it now.
I've just finished dismantling the MSI mobo, putting some new thermal paste on the CPU, then i'm going in for the install of the Gigabyte board - i plumped for the GA-EP45-DS3
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10. January 2009 @ 07:26 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
This is what I read though, the motherboard manufacturers could have made their oldest AM2 boards compatible with the Phenom IIs provide they had strong 95 Amp Vregs, but they chose not to in order to force people to buy new motherboards - more money for them.
I dont doubt that for a minute, a millisecond, a nanosecond, LOL. Sounds like business tactics! I would think 30gb to be enough. Though ive never actually built my own partition. Havnt really felt the need to do so. I have however built a backup DVD with iso's that I use ALCOHOL to mount and install. Thats the ownly recovery I need :) Anything super important goes to either verbatims, or a very trusty western digital drive. Im not gonna mention its name though. Lately when I bless certain technologies, I HEXX it!!! :D :D I swear my fingers and mouth are cursed, LOL
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