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Thoughts about the Revolution
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novicebb
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2. July 2005 @ 11:01 |
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To soccerboi: We don't know for sure if the entire library of games will be available such as games by third parties or if only Nintendo owned and developed games will be available for downloads.
Plus nintendo will not survive next "console wars" because of the simple fact that both Sony and Microsoft aren't just marketing their devices as a game device but also as a entire media entertainment device.
I mean we don't even know what disk format the Nintendo will support, its release date or other useful information. Plus if the keep that design that the displayed at this year's E3 then it won't do well. It is too simplistic and bland in design. Look like my 4 year old niece came up with that design.
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Stinky_1
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4. July 2005 @ 07:32 |
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novice,
You are missing the point of the revolution completly.....
Nintendos idea is that with sony and micro going to the "high tech" stuff they are also adding cost to production which comes right down to the end user. The rumored retail on both those units is around $600 US. In canada I expect to see them in around $800 possibly $895.47 (or somthing like that).
To me that is about $500 too much for a game console. I didnt buy my PS2 until it dropped to $220 CDN, and even then by the time I was done buying the multi tap, 3 more controllers an d a couple games I spent over $500 on the system. And that was just to have fun at family gatherings that my brothers and I could play together.
I will NEVER pay $600+ for a machine that plays video games and does "other" things that my PC already does!
Nintendo has decided there is a "fun factor" to "cost" ratio that needs to be balanced. They are on the right path with backwards compatibility for all previous systems. There are not a LOT of good games from each system, but there are a handful across all the platforms. Being able to download the good ones, and also play new ones on one console is good for someone like myself with small kids and not enough space for 5 systems.
Plus they are targeting their system to be under $200 US. That means it will still be too pricy in CDN funds for me at launch, but after 1 year or so it should be attainable. I doubt ps3 or 360 will drop below $500 CDN until the PS4 and 720 come out 5 - 7 years from now.
Not too mention that with extra technology such as PS3 and 360 have comes added cost of using it in games to take them to the next level. I find that I do not have time to play 50+ hours on one game JUST so I can play a multi player version with everything unlocked.
I also find that as games get more complex the learnign curbe is outragous. Especially when you are video game challenged in the first place. I remember when my mom would play the first world of mario 1 for hours just trying to get past the first goomba and the hole right after it. She seemed to think the controller was motion activated as she waved it all over the place thinking mario would jump higher. The point was that she stayed and played though while myself (as luigi) would go through the game with no problems. It was fun enough that it held her attention and made her want to keep trying.
My mom would never try and sit and play a game of 007 nightfire with us at Christmas because there are 2X as many buttons, and a HUGE leranign curve to just move the guy the way you want. I cant see the gamnes getting any esier to control as they add umpteen million gigaflops of processor power to the systems.
It may be great for the target market of 14 - 21 year olds. But when they charge $600 for a system those 14 - 21 year olds wont be able to afford them. My kids are not spoiled enough to even try asking for them. And as a parent I would never do it. I would consider the revo just cause I would know that everyone in the family could play it.
And to me that means nintendo is getting back to the core fundamentals of what makes a game system fun and worth buying. VS Sony and micros idea that you need to pack it with gadgets and charge the price of your first born child to play the newest Gran Turismo game.
My rant is done for now ...... I guess.
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blinkguy
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4. July 2005 @ 17:09 |
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If people would look on the Nintendo site, it clearly points out that every downloadable game prior to GC WILL be free. I think Nintendo will be the future, notice how they are the only one that survived the 80's? They also plan on using a "branch-off" of Apple's airport for wireless internet and the fact that Apple has joined Nintendo is one of the best things I have ever heard, I can just imagine what the graphics will be like on the new system which will have the newest ATI graphic rendering engine. I hear they already have the next 2 major releases of Zelda and Mario made for this system which is VERY exciting. But all in all, every game system from NES to 64 will be implemented into the new system as an emulator and have a built in browser for downloading games (all of them free of course), go Nintendo!
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ffalcon
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7. July 2005 @ 11:08 |
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I don't know about Canadian, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 are supposed to retail for about $300 U.S.
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adamryer
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7. July 2005 @ 11:34 |
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Even tho i will probably buy an xbox 360, a ps3, and a revolution the major deciding factors for my decision to buy a rev will probably be the cost for downloading old nintendo games, if its too high then ill just say screw it, and there has to be a new zelda game for the revolution, otherwise i might just stick to a 360 and a ps3.
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Stinky_1
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7. July 2005 @ 16:30 |
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ffalcon,
Where did you hear $300 US? because all I have heard or read was "under $600 US" straight from the horses mouth.
That leads me to beleive that it will be around $599 just so they can keep their promise.
I really cant see them selling it for $300. That would put either company in the red in a month of sales. They "claim" they go in the red for the consoles anyway, but that would put them at the point of leaching money from other "projects" to keep them a float.
Also I would love to see a link where it says downloads of old nes games will be free? I searched the whole site and did not find anything about it. All I could find was that thge games would be made "availible".
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ffalcon
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7. July 2005 @ 17:07 |
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cjcoled
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18. October 2005 @ 09:49 |
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yeah i believe you when you say around 300 for the ps3 because they arent gonna price it above 500 and its gonna be about the price of the premium 360 package or a little over in my opinion
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tim1210
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9. November 2005 @ 14:42 |
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i used my modded xbox to play snes, nes, sega, gba, MAME, atari and yes, N64.
I heard that the xbox360 maye be even powerfull enough to emulatoe the ps2, dreamcast, or gamecube this time around. the way that the 360 is going to play xbox1 ganmes is thru an emulator on the hard drive. so it seems like a reasonable proposition...
so if your planning on modding get the 360 :p
personally though the revolution has me over the ps3, when i get bored of the 360, i'll get a revolution. i heard that the ps3 will also have limited backwards compatibility, and the games library was sony's biggest strenth too...
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Alien13
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9. November 2005 @ 19:35 |
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Yeah, i cant wait for the revoloution, i want backwards compatability :)
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austin006
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2. January 2006 @ 12:33 |
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yeah, finally nintendo has backwards compatibility. which they've avoided with everything but the gameboy. i'm sure they're going to charge some amount of money. nintendo'll do anything to make another buck.
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morda8
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5. January 2006 @ 08:22 |
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If the the revalution going to cost at £150 (abot $250-2$270) I might buy it although I was never a nitendo fun.
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13. January 2006 @ 21:54 |
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ps3 wont be limited in backwards compatibility. Everywhere I look on the internet says ps3 to be fully backwards compatibile with PS2 and PS1
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13. January 2006 @ 21:58 |
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and for people who are into the graphical part of gaming ( which is stupid to be gaming for ), Nintendo is using Displacement Mapping for the Revolution which basically means that they can use lower polygon rates and wrap a mesh over them to make them look better than they seem which means they will beable to compete with ps3 and xbox360 in that department. Basically nintendo is kicking ass at this marketing thing and watching there manufacturing costs. go nintendo
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Stinky_1
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14. January 2006 @ 05:37 |
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PS3 will ONLY be backwards capable for the PS2 games. It wont do PS1. The laser they are putting in is going to be a dual laser similar to their one in the PS2 except this time one laser will be the traditional red laser for DVD, and one blue one for Blu-ray. IF they wanted to do PS1 games as well then would need to add a 3rd laser to allow it to play CD's. That just wont happen.
ALso if you think the 360 is emulating the xbox to play games then you are drunk! If that was true then the PS2 was emulating the PS1. And if THAT was true then we would have had a dreamcast and N64 emulator for the PS2 since they would both need the same power as the PS1 emulator.
Fact is that they allow the 360 to run Xbox code. As far as I know the coding is almost the same between the 2 anyway. SO its not a case of emulating, rather playing the lower graphics settings.
Nintendo has never really been about the power of the unit. After the Snes they had been lagging in the power department. But that hasnt seemed to stop them so far. Sure sales are LOWER than the other 2 consoles. But MS didnt even end up turning a profit at the end of the Xbox life cycle! Last I saw they were 5 million in the HOLE with the project INCLUDING game sales. Thats enough to make any normal company think twice about keeping in that part of the business. It was sure enough to send SEGA out packing!
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14. January 2006 @ 10:34 |
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l34merik
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14. January 2006 @ 13:46 |
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@stinky, do some more research. The PS2 did emulate the PS1, at first all they did was put in a ps1 chip but later they fixed the bugs of the emulator and just had it emulate it. The reason why it doesn't emulate the n64 and dreamcast is because its owned by nintendo and sega. Even other groups try to emulate the n64 and dreamcast on ps2, it would take a LOT more power to emulate it because they don't have the original codes for it. Like how the ps2 emulators for pc takes like a 5 ghz pc with 1 gb ram and a $500 vid card to make it work while the original emulator that Sony gives to their developer takes a pc less than 1ghz.
Yes the 360 is gonna emulate the first one, why else would u need to own a hdd to play xbox1 games?
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chimpanel
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15. January 2006 @ 01:36 |
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Graphics IS a big part in the games playability, now don't get me wrong graphics are not everything but they can and do enhance the immersion and playability of games, for example making games look more realistic thus making a game more immersive. power does play a big role. Look at kameo on the 360 for example, more power means more enemies can be put on screen which on a lower powered machine would not be possible, it gives the game designer a larger spectrum, or bigger canvas if you will in which to bring his ideas to life, to create games how he see's them in his head and not be limited. Also with more power means better A.I can be produced and that is a crucial element of a game, non player character A.I. Another example off the top of my head would be splinter cell, with better graphics comes improved lighting and shading effects which are a crucial element in a game like splinter cell. Now these are just a few examples Ive come out with but there's probably many more, but hopefully you see where ime coming from.
Now the rev is not going to be terrible just because it is not as powerfull, the games that could be created for it will have more limits imposed than games on the ps3 and 360 but there will be the classics such as zelda and smash bro's (both of which I enjoy) which never the less will be fun. But that brings me to another point, nintendo's lack of third party support, there just isn't enough game developers out there supporting this console. Lastly downloading retro games is a nice touch but I hear you have to pay for them, now why would I want to pay for an old nintendo game when I could download it off my p.c for free? However if they add new features like online modes onto some of these old games then I would be willing to part with cash. The only thing I see the rev as is a cheaper alternative but if you have the cash then go get a ps3 or 360.
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oofRome
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15. January 2006 @ 19:19 |
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Graphics IS a big part in the games playability
I assume that you own an Xbox rather than a PS2? See where I'm going with this? I'm not disagreeing with you that graphics enhance gameplay, but they certainly don't make the game.
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chimpanel
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15. January 2006 @ 22:41 |
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Yes and i agree with you, just taking a game i played recently, james bond nightfire for the p.c. The graphics were great for its time and are still good today but the gameplay sucked. I want to get it across that graphics are not everything, if it where why do I still love playing doom 2 and streets of rage? But I also want to make it clear that graphics are not simply eye candy as some pple dismiss it as, they do play a role in gameplay. Maybe I should say power is a big part in a games playability instead of graphics because power covers both the graphics topic and the A.I topic also. I just thought of another gameplay element covered by console power, in game physics.
Also I own a ps2, xbox and gamecube, its not that ime greedy or rich I just have two other brothers who both love games and we share our things.
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HipN
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16. January 2006 @ 14:58 |
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Its easier to play fps games with the shell than with the "numchuck" thingy. I mean, think about it, a controller tha you can make your player move and everyhting, shoot and everything, and all the buttons are so close. Thats better than playing with a numbchuck, because yoou CAN'T hold the controller with 2 hands. And not being able to hold it with two hands will affect the aiming, unlike the controller WITH the shell.
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oofRome
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16. January 2006 @ 21:17 |
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Its easier to play fps games with the shell than with the "numchuck" thingy. I mean, think about it, a controller tha you can make your player move and everyhting, shoot and everything, and all the buttons are so close. Thats better than playing with a numbchuck, because yoou CAN'T hold the controller with 2 hands. And not being able to hold it with two hands will affect the aiming, unlike the controller WITH the shell.
I don't think anyone is in a position to dismiss how well the revolution controller style will be. It could be awful, or suprisingly intuitive and easy, but unless you've had a crack at playing a fps on the rev, I wouldn't be so sure to say one thing or another about it. I personally think that after a couple minutes, I'd prefer the rev controller style over a traditional controller, but it could be the exact opposite.
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chimpanel
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16. January 2006 @ 22:45 |
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I agree, the rev controler is new (original) so its hard, in fact pretty impossible to know exactly what it going to be like, I think it will be good with fps games aswell, might take a bit of getting used to though. But who can tell?
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l34merik
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17. January 2006 @ 12:39 |
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Yea I agree that the revolution's controller could be great for fps. I mean the only reason why I play fps on computer is because I don't like using the joysticks on the controller. Mouse/keyboard is easier I think. Using the revoluton's controller is like aiming a gun to look around (at least thats what I hope) so I would be easier.
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17. January 2006 @ 14:58 |
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and just imagine in flight games when you control your plane you hold your revolution controller like a paper airplane.
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