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11. July 2006 @ 19:05 |
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first of all smart one...wii isnt out...
well golly gee wiz isn't that what Ive been saying? In my very first post I said it.Moron.
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second, why would i want to hack that crap...
i wouldnt want to even own one...
im outta this discussion...
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Well if it's such a piece of crap then why were you here in the first place? You come here bashing it and expect people to love you for it.I'm glad we all know what your real motive was.Get lost!!!!
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12. July 2006 @ 12:44 |
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Lol looks like this tread went a little off course (its called Wii Backups )
And i agree with tycobb; just to make my side clear :P
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13. July 2006 @ 00:12 |
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13. July 2006 @ 06:21 |
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Yeah sorry back to topic...Well I think it will be much easier this time. It will have more ways to be hacked(dvd's,hdd via usb,sd expansion slots, etc.)and will be more popular than gcn so it will happen much sooner.
I haven't seen the drive in action but I know it's a slot loading drive.This could be a good or bad thing depending.Now the online service is hard to say because nintendo hasn't revealed the infastructure of it.
@neph Thx neph.I take the reponsibility for going back at him.I usually report them but I wasn't really sure of his motive until his last post because he didn't reveal it completely.I thought he was just a moron or something.
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13. July 2006 @ 10:45 |
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I meant to give him a week ban but for some reason it went through as permanent. I'll contact the Admins.
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14. July 2006 @ 08:37 |
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Glad to see him gone :) Thanks Nephilim!
So yeah back to the topic; I believe it does have a slot loading drive althought i am not completey sure, i suppose that could allow some sort of "swap magic" like backup solution although like you said it could be a good or bad thing.
Good point about the online service...do you think its possible that it may have like a "reporting" function? Whereby it reports if the console has been hacked or something?
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17. July 2006 @ 03:15 |
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Yes I do think nintendo will have a call home function.It's hard to say though because the wii has no hard drive.Chances are nintendo will be smart and store it on the internal memory making it ultra hard to hack.
@neph don't worry about it because he already has another id where he pulls the same crap.
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17. July 2006 @ 05:46 |
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Yeah i guess it would be kinda hard to hack it from doing the "home call" thing if i was on the internal memory or something...
if you had a Firmware hack it could include a block of the IP addresses needed to connect to "home" so it would never be able to connect "home" i'm no expert but i guess that could work?
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18. July 2006 @ 20:30 |
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as said, they have relied on hardware protection in the past. with the Wii using SD and regular-sized DVDs, they would be careless if they didn't implement some sort of software protection (something like the xbox code-signing/encryption). otherwise, i think the Wii will be incredibly easy to hack.
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19. July 2006 @ 08:39 |
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Yeah good point, i suppose it also counts on how much a part the firmware plays....i mean like with the PS2 it doesn't really mean THAT much there is no upgrades for it etc...but say if the Wii has upgradable Firmware then it could force a modchip like on the PSP if you want to run the current version of the Firmware and play backups
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25. July 2006 @ 21:48 |
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i beleive the nintendo wii will not behacked as fast as you think why you ask becuase if nintendo has learned anything from the gamecube mod chip community is increase anti mod chip security so i doupt it because look at gamecube we are at the end of the systems life expectancy and in 2005 they finally devloped a gamecube mod chip
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26. July 2006 @ 04:58 |
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But don't you think that the Wii is much more popular and so will probably cause more "need" for a backup solution and in turn give a much faster solution?
I don't really know much about mod chips and anti-mod chips but i think thats its near impossible to make a mod chip proff console? And also that once you have got a mod chip installed no ammount of firmware upgrades can stop it...new model of console could but not firmware i think...
Like i said i don't know much about mod chips but thats what i've gathered from reading things in passing or whatever...
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30. July 2006 @ 19:16 |
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xbox360 is an excellent example of anti-mod chip technology. xbox programs are encrypted. the cpu, gpu, and decryption mechanisms are all on the same chip. to make an xbox360 (traditional) mod-chip, you would essentially have to replace to the whole cpu and gpu. that would be VERY expensive. however, with the 360, the weak point is the firmware in the dvd drive itself. but that's another thread.
i think it took so long to make a gamecube modchip because there weren't as many people with the knowledge and interest to do so. i don't think there was much anti-mod chip thought put into the design of the gamecube. that leads to my earlier point. nintendo has never had to put much thought or effort into anti-piracy protection because they have always relied on propriety formats. the fact that a large segment of their market or user-base is law-abiding family-oriented people has probably helped alot also.
the Wii will allow lots of standard mediums/formats. there hasn't been any press about how the Wii will be secured. there was lots of that leading up to and surrounding the launch of the xbox and xbox360. the fact that they have not talked about how the Wii will be secured leads me to believe that there will be no real hardware protection. that they will be relying on software if anything. based on what 'i've heard' and what 'i have not heard', here's what i think they plan on doing for security:
Wii games will come on standard DVD discs. for copy protection, they will rely on something like the PS1 and PS2 schemes. basically, the programs/games on the DVDs will not be encrypted in any way, they will just be written in some tricky manner. copying a Wii DVD will be as easy or hard as copying a PS1 or PS2 game disc. once they copy is made you would still need some kind of mod-chip or special boot disc to play your 'backup' just like you do with PS1 or PS2. however, since nintendo has proclaims that they will use other standard storage devices like USB drives and SD cards, you may just be able to slurp the data off a Wii disc, gently massage it the data, put it on a USB drive or SD card and plug it into a totally unmodified Wii and play it. this makes me think they will be using some sort of encryption on the game discs/code. but it seems odd that nintendo has made no comments on this subject at all.
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31. July 2006 @ 04:25 |
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Very good points ewookie,
I was thinking that if Nintendo were clever they would realise one way or another there was going to be a backup solution and there was no real way of them for permanently stop it or prevent it. If they realised this then they could put little effort into backup prevention (maybe including something really simple like PS1/PS2 like you said) and thus would be lowering costs of the console, the manufacturing and research costs.
I could see the Wii having upgradable firmware as i doubt they would never want to update the Wii mote's driver or something so that could be a weak point also.
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Kanthos
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24. December 2006 @ 13:46 |
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We tried the external HDD didn't work.
It was not reading comaptibility.
I looked up on a few sites about the build of the Wii.
The disks are burned from the outter edge to the inner edge.
So basically you need to reverse wire a burner as well as make a disk that is locked at the outter edge.
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25. December 2006 @ 00:12 |
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"Nintendo Wii has had to preorder more consoles than Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP did when they were going throught the preorder period."
Just thoght I'd add this. Yes, I agree wii will be like the PS2 games. Easy to backup. But the games pressed outside in is a worry. Does anyone know if a PC can read Wii games?
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25. December 2006 @ 03:41 |
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I don't think it will be hacked real quick,the reason why is from looking at the GameCube.It reads from the outside edge in,and the best solution to get just an image of a Wii game I would think is to use the drive itself and stream it to your comp.I think the main problem is booting these images.An app loader has to be created to read the discs,and this could take a real long time depending on whoever is willing to mess with it.I don't see any bios dumpers for Wii or anything like that either,so it will probably take awhile to make a modchip also.A computer will only read a Wii game as an image file I would think just assumptions,unless an image browser is made.I don't think anyone will find a Wii emulator anytime soon either.I don't have a Wii,but I have a GameCube and every system can be hacked.I don't think it will be anytime soon,but eventually you will see alot of stuff for Wii.I don't think anything will be easy with this system though,but like I said eventually something will come out to get some hackers motivated.
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25. December 2006 @ 10:30 |
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pc cannot read Wii games,
I know,
my pc is state of the art gaming computer.
It will not read the Wii games, it says there is no disk in drive.
So we are looking at a non-reading system.
What we will have to wait for is for someone to unassemble their wii and finding what makes it tick.
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25. December 2006 @ 19:32 |
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Yeah a PC will not read Wii games,cause computer drives are not backward compatible.You would have to get the Wii drive to read the game for you,then transfer it over to your PC through an internet connection.Once the image is on your PC,then you can do whatever you want with it.It doesn't really matter though,cause you still need a way to boot it and that isn't possible yet.
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26. December 2006 @ 08:54 |
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Well guys, If they figure out away to hook a Hard Drive to it and get some firmware up and running for it. I think we might get something going. But untill then please post a sticky once someone figures it out for sure.
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Kanthos
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26. December 2006 @ 12:15 |
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Tried the HD but it didnt recognize the HD connected to it.
So there needs to be an FW compatible with the Wii.
That will take a bit.
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26. December 2006 @ 19:00 |
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Yea buddy! I know that it will take much time.
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27. December 2006 @ 07:09 |
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you all CRAPPPERS! IN India they sell Wii BACKUPS (PIRATED) FOR LIKE 1-2$
& THEY WORK
(I DON'T OWN A Wii, I DO'NT GET PIRATED STUFF)
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28. December 2006 @ 01:45 |
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If you don't own a Wii how do you know they work? and how come no one else seems to think that backups have been successful yet?
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28. December 2006 @ 02:00 |
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haha thats rubbish man, the wii hasnt even reached india yet, the only wiis there are ppl bringing it home from abroad, or shops selling imports at crazy inflated prices,
the 360 only had an official release there a few months ago
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