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Maxell or Memorex
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8. September 2006 @ 12:46 |
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Almost no one seems to understand the difference between quality and compatibility.
No we know quality that why we recommend Verbs and TY's ONLY.
That goes for compatibility too.
You on the other hand must work for Memosux b/c you are one of the 1%
That actually will recommend GARBAGE CMC to consumers.
Why is Memosux cheaper in stores?
Why Does not anyone else but you recommend CMC products?
And for the record I sent a complaont ticket to MCC asking
where there media was produced, They stated by there own materials,
In there own plant that I stated earlier.
Firmware wont help Memorex CMC mag disks, ITS NOT A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE CMC has been around for a LONG time now.
The truth of the matter is that they JUST PLAIN SUCK.
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-Jizmak
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8. September 2006 @ 13:10 |
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To give him the benefit of the doubt, I'm gonna try to send MCC an email, and ask if CMC Mag makes their Verbatim discs, and stamps them MCC, instead of CMC Mag. I'll post their response here...........
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8. September 2006 @ 13:21 |
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can't wait to see this. :)
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JoeRyan
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8. September 2006 @ 13:35 |
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Jizmak--
MCC materials are made in the plant you mentioned, not their discs. Can you find anywhere where I recommended CMC manufactured discs (other than Verbatim)? I have stated that those who have found success with a particular disc have no reason to be frightened off by the bad experience of others with incompatible drives. That's quite a bit different from suggesting people buy a particular brand.
I first got onto this site when other optical engineers suggested reading postings for a good laugh. It was not funny to me. I was shocked that not only were so many drawing incorrect conclusions because of a lack of technical knowledge, which is understandable, but posters also attacked certain brands and those users who did not march in step with them and made claims that were patently false. Even moderators had vituperative comments proudly attached to their signatures. I foolishly thought a little technical explanation might help, but the attacks suddenly turned on me. I posted links to sites where readers can get factual information. It appears few people actually selected them. With all the personal attacks, the distortions of others' comments, and illogical conclusions, this site smacks of a cult rather than a site for hobbyists trying to help each other and learn more.
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8. September 2006 @ 13:48 |
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well i have used about 10 or 12 memorex 8x-r and have had nothing but good luck... not that i would recommend them for anyone to buy. but they was given to me, so i cant look the gift horse in the mouth and complain... i would never buy them just verbs and TY's will get my money. like i said i havent had a problem one out of them. and a few that i have been able to do the Nero QC scan on they were 96 and 97..
just my 2 cents.
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8. September 2006 @ 13:53 |
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Joe - i haven't attacked you. One thing i know from the 1000s of burn logfiles i've been through is that a wide variety of burners and firmware were/are listed in those logfiles. Firmware of posters who don't know much about burning/computers is invariably out of date, however i've lost count of how many times new firmware has been applied, along with us recommending tried, tested & proven tweaks to burning setups, to still see failures with not only CMC but all manner of lesser discs (very very few problems re-occur with better discs, there simply aren't 1000s of logfiles pf problems with 'better' discs, on this or any other site out there that i know of).
Compatibility or quality - the terms really, really don't matter if discs just don't work (i'm using "don't work" very loosely here) or give so many people so many problems. I think you and i have met in the middle in the odd post, and while i try to make my posts better than 'Memorex suck' or whatever i can't simply change tack and recommend discs that might work for people, i recommend discs that will most likely work As to my signature, it's there because any average person can buy a pack of Memorex/Imation/whoever and not know whose discs are really within the pack, from one pack to the next
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JoeRyan
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8. September 2006 @ 14:03 |
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Creaky--
My comments aren't directed at you. You are too much a gentleman to attack any poster.
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8. September 2006 @ 14:44 |
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@JoeRyan, He says "With all the personal attacks, the distortions of others' comments, and illogical conclusions, this site smacks of a cult rather than a site for hobbyists trying to help each other and learn more."
I learned the hard way. I used Memorex, Princo and some other off the wall media at first. These being made by CMC. About 85 percent of these have since failed for me. Since I changed to Verbs and Ty's, my play backs have had a clean bill of health. I for one have learned from the same people that are trying to help here (JVC, Jizmak, bunnyrip, creaky and many from other threads).
Good luck to all those who uses JoeRyan's advice.
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8. September 2006 @ 15:33 |
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http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia.php
I guess Joeryan will say that this is wrong or outdated too
DVD Media and Bluray Disc Media list - version 2006.08.08
1256 DVD-Rs, 117 DVD-RWs, 736 DVD+Rs, 178 DVD+RWs, 28 DVD-RAMs in the list based on 15293 user reports.
Media Type Size Media code Speed Compatibility Comments
Memorex DVD+R 4.7GB CMC MAG.E01 8x Plays on 30 DVD Players
Plays not on 21 DVD Players
Burn Reliability is Mixed
DVD Reliability is Mixed
PC Reliability is Mixed
Console Reliability is Mixed
Verbatim DVD+R 4.7GB MCC.....004 16x Plays on 66 DVD Players
Plays not on 6 DVD Players
Burn Reliability is Good
DVD Reliability is Good
PC Reliability is Good
Console Reliability is Good
Thats enough for me to stay away from the memosux products.
Possunt Quia Posse Videntur.
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8. September 2006 @ 16:10 |
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8. September 2006 @ 21:03 |
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Like I mentioned ealier in the year,
Good old Southern logic,
If 5 out of 5 people experience excruciating pain upon inserting a red hot piece of metal rod up their rectum, you'll be looking a very long time to find the 6th person to try that stunt. If many many people with many different setups report problems with disks made by one manufacturer, why continue to use them? Gotta run, have a large metal rod heating up on my grill and am looking for that select sixth individual to try it out on. Cheers.
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9. September 2006 @ 04:35 |
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@blivetNC, Very Good...
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9. September 2006 @ 08:30 |
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The warranty of Memorex is 1 year, compared to Limited Life Time. Why won't Memorex offer the same?
http://www.memorex.com/html/warranty.php
I am one of those people who have experienced CMCMag 50% failure rate. If I find out from people on the forums, that so and so company is now outsourcing to CMC, I will avoid like the plague, and that now includes Maxell 16X media (DVD +R, MIT)
Interesting information when one googles "longevity dvd media".
Look what I came up with, but please note the poster's last two paragraphs;
http://forums.hardwarezone.com/showpost....6&postcount=964
The poster actually commends Memorex for it's honesty. Perhaps, we have all been brainwashed to think that our media is going to last indefinitely, even with the best dyes and special care? After all it is organic dye and will eventually breakdown. When is anyone's guess.
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10. September 2006 @ 04:25 |
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Having burned and tested thousands of disc's I get better results using certain Verbatim products over Taiyo Yuden, (MC004-TYG03 Feg).
Its a close call...
and in the case of Verbs DVD-R x8, Taiyo Yuden actually make the disc.
Its what works for your particular set up as long as you can prove they work over time....
Best disc I've used retaing its quality was Ritek G04 (DVD-R x4) Purple top, their all still over 90% in Nero Scan which is truly amazing.
This against a small number of Taiyo Yuden which a year later have droped from 95%+ scan to 74%...though most are still stable over 90%.
I also do recall reading an article about MCC releasing stampers to CMC to manufacture dvd to its specifications, which carry the MCC mid.
To be honest IMO just keep batch scanning your collection for any signs of deterioration.
About three year ago Ritek was the name on everyone's lips, waste of time using anything else...was the common belief.
Well (personal experience and quality scans over the last few years) have shown Ritek to be a mixed bag, some truly awful dye (ritek G05 Printables) to some excellent.
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14. September 2006 @ 21:27 |
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I went to Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.'s Japanese site, and tried to send them an email. To contact them, you have to use a contact form. I filled out everything on the form, but every time I tried to "Submit", it would tell me to fill out the form. It never did work. I sent MCC's american offices a message, but they never replied. I just tried MCC Japan again, and it worked this time. Maybe I'll hear from them soon.
Just letting you know that I didn't forget. I really want to see what they have to say. I want this straightened out, once and for all. I hope they will reply........... I'll let you know as soon as they do. :o)
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15. September 2006 @ 02:00 |
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If your questions or comments are specific to Verbatim, you may have better luck if you contact them at their Charlotte, NC offices:
Web page: http://www.verbatim.com/contact/
Corporate Office:
1-704-547-6500
Reseller Information:
1-800-242-7503
For product support:
1-800-538-8589
Verbatim Corporaton
1200 West W.T.
Harris Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 28262
I've had full success with questions from these sources. Keep us informed, JVC!
Edit: And to put any questions to rest for the doubting few, they ARE a subsidiary of Mitsubishi Chemical (MCC):
http://www.verbatim.com/about
http://www.m-kagaku.co.jp/index_en.htm
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15. September 2006 @ 04:15 |
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That picture is great! I want to see someone try to argue that one away.
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15. September 2006 @ 04:35 |
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@rcm999............
Thanks for the info about the Charlotte offices. I live in NC, but on the other side of the state. I just sent them the question. We'll see if they reply.
The other address you posted is the one I had the trouble with, but finally got it to work, last night. Maybe one or both places will reply, and straighten this out, once and for all. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they have to say about it, no matter which way it goes. I'll let y'all know when and if I hear anything back, from either of them.
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15. September 2006 @ 16:10 |
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@newbies or whom may concern
Don't even compare that piece of junks Memorex (CMC) to Maxell (Made In Japan by Hitachi Corp.), end of story.
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15. September 2006 @ 16:19 |
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^^^ LOL
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16. September 2006 @ 19:27 |
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Ok folks.........
I got an answer from Verbatim.com...........the American offices. I asked if CMC Mag made Verbatim dvds, and stamped them MCC? Here is what they had to say about it. I copied and pasted their answer. That's why it's laid out so strange here............
All Verbatim brand DVD media sold in North America are MCC media.
MCC is Mitsubishi Chemical Company, Verbatim's parent company.
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09/15/2006 07:32 techsupport@verbatim.com
AM cc
Subject
Technical or Product Question
So, according to Verbatim.com, CMC Mag does not make Verbatim dvds. Period! We've heard it straight from one of the horse's mouths!
Now we'll see if the Japanese offices answer me also.
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17. September 2006 @ 00:46 |
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Jeez, I must need glasses then. These Verbatim that I have sitting here say cmc mag. They are a little older and they skip like crazy. I give them to my son when he wants to play frizby. I also used Comp USA store brand (when I first started out) and they skipped and froze,CMC Mag coded. I went to Maxell and was very happy with them ,Ritek coded. Now they are going to CMC Mag so bye bye Maxell.
I was so ugly when I was a kid, my parents used to take me everywhere just so they wouldn't have to kiss me goodbye.
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17. September 2006 @ 04:41 |
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I knew we'd get to the bottom of this. We have all known this all along, so why would someone come along and try to dispute what is well-known by the masses? Oh well. Thanks for the info, JVC.
Bigwop - chances are you either have some older media or imports. I thought I heard at one time that for a short period, Verbatim did use CMC but switched back. Several months ago, my office bought several stacks of Verb CD media, white printable tops,from CDW and they did code out as CMC, and they were MIT. I'm quite certain the stock was older because the packaging was faded and the plastic wrap was brittle.
Nonetheless, stick with Verbatim, TY,Sony and Fuji-MIJ, or whatever works best for you.
Pay no attention to all the production figures from a year or so ago because they mean absolutely nothing in this case. That is OLD news. High dollar testers can run tests that the average drive cannot. So THAT information is also useless. And who cares about the manufacturing and dollar sales ratios of producing countries? Does that mean we don't know what works and what doesn't?
Also think about it: If a certain media will test successfully as being compatible in one out of 36 drives, then it's, for all intents and purposes, garbage. PERIOD! Good media is what is compatible in most all drives.
If it works well, then that's what we'll buy. If it doesn't work, it's going back to the store, a landfill, or the bottom of the birdcage - never to be purchased again. And if it's CMC, then so be it. That's just the way it is. NO ONE is going to force crap media and useless information down our throats.
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17. September 2006 @ 07:19 |
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I didn't ask about cd media. I've heard several people say that some Verbatim cds, coded as CMC Mag. Cds aren't as critical as dvds. Cds are more forgiving, as long as there's no bad scratches. I've not had many problems with cds, no matter who the manufacturer was, or what brand they were. In fact, the only cds I've ever had any problem with was Memorex black cds.
If you have a Verbatim dvd that codes as CMC Mag, it should be a pretty old one. I had read a while back, that they did useCMC Mag, quite a while back, but changed manufacturers, because of the quality. CMC Mag didn't produce the quality that Verbatim demanded. It's hard to know who to believe. People say and print about anything. That's why I went straight to Verbatim, with the question. We got our answer.......... I don't see why they would lie about it. :o)
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