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PAL to NTSC
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Falstaff
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16. June 2004 @ 20:59 |
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That was indeed the thread's original raison d'etre, but somebody asked about preserving subtitles. Though I would definitely be interested if there's a reasonably priced commercial product that preserves subtitles, because I'm lazy.
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tort
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17. June 2004 @ 06:26 |
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Well as I said, Easy Media Creator Disc Copy lets you choose what you want copied, the movie, menus, extras, soundtracks, etc.. However, I can't find a way to convert the PAL to NTSC.
As to these other complicated methods, here is my simple way:
I put the PAL DVD in my KONES Region-FRee DVD Player, I feed the output through my SAMSUNG WV4000 Worldwide VCR and Digitally convert the PAL to NTSC, and capture the output video with Pinnacle Studio 9 in NTSC mode.
Or, I could just capture the PAL video, load it into Video Studio and convert it to NTSC, then I'd have to save it as a new AVI file then reload it into Studio 9, then I can create my own menus, chapters, etc..
I don't need software to do the conversion, I can do it myself, but I'd like to keep the original menus, subtitles, etc., myself.
There has to be a way to do it, unless the professional places that do it, just do what I would do and recapture the video.
Maybe I need to look at Pinnacle Impression, and some of the other High End DVD authoring like Adobe and see if they will load already made menus from the DVD, since they seem to have the ability to IMPORT DVDs into them.
THat may be the only way to preserve the menus, subtitles, additional sound tracks, etc..
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tridith
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23. June 2004 @ 20:20 |
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PAL to NTSC.
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I opened NeoDVDPlus 5, selected Video. Make a DVD. Get Video files, all the VOB files from the PAL DVD. I then clicked on Make DVD, and chose one of my DVD Recorders. I then set it up to make playable on NTSC, and clicked on make DVD.
Now, all the VOB files are NTSC and will play on my NTSC DVD players.
How do you make the program use the original menus? When I do this, unless I am doing it wrong, it wants to make a different type of menu, it has ripples in the background.
Can you explain more in depth of what to do to get this to work more properly??
I also tried to use adobe After FX 5.5 but I couldnt figure that program out either...lol
Any help is appreachited.
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tort
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24. June 2004 @ 05:34 |
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NeoDVDplus 5 can only convert the menu if it is a menu made by NeoDVDplus. If you want to replace the ripples, you can choose different menus from the dropdown menu choice.
I don't think there is any program that will convert the original menus on the DVDs. I'm currently working on getting Adobe Video Collection Pro, which includes everything to make Professional DVDs, and I have seen threads where you can import DVDs, menus, everything into Premiere.
As stated before, this thread was originally started for an easy way to convert the PAL movies to NTSC, just the movies, not the menus and extras.
NeoDVDplus does also convert the extras, as long as they are VOB files.
Now if you want to start a new thread on how to convert the original menus, subtitles, language tracks, etc., that may get you an answer faster.
If Adobe Video Collection does this, I'll let you know, be advised that the pricing is as follows: Adobe Video Collection Standard is $999USD and the Professional edition is $1499USD. Yes, that's right, there is no decimal point, so it's not a CHEAP solution, if it even converts PAL to NTSC and vice versa.
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wmaudio
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29. June 2004 @ 17:08 |
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I don't understand the purpose of stripping the audio...nowhere else in that process do you use the .wav file created early on in the process...?
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wmaudio
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29. June 2004 @ 17:39 |
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All I'd really like to do is take a PAL DVD and make an exact copy in NTSC format, regardless of the size, complete with menus and extras and all of that. I really don't care about subtitles. I'm going to try NeoDVDPlus5 like that feller there said, but it looks like there is going to be a much more involved process like what started this thread. I still can't figure out why the first post of this thread suggested demuxing the AC3 from the vobs, but I'll update when I get it figured out. :)
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wmaudio
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1. July 2004 @ 16:29 |
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Converting PAL Video to NTSC (DVD)
Preliminary Notes
1. You can only do the movie portion of the disc. In the case of an episode DVD, you will need to rip each episode to its own folder).
2. You can put about 160 minutes of video on one DVDR without a quality loss.
3. Once you rip the title or movie to the hard drive, don't move any files unless instructed to do so.
Software You Will Need
1. SmartRipper v2.41
2. DVD2AVI v1.77.3
3. TMPGEnc v2.521.58.169
4. TMPGEnc DVD Author 1.5.15.49
5. DVD2One v1.4.0
6. About 10GB of free space per hour of video
1. Prepare Folders.
1a. Create a folder called "dvd" (if ripping episodes, it'd be \episode#\dvd) and then create the following folders in \dvd\:
a. Rip
b. DVD2AVI
c. Tmpgenc
d. Vobset
e. Final
f. Extras
2. Rip the Video with SmartRipper.
2a. Launch SmartRipper and rip the DVD or desired title to \dvd\rip.
2b. Close SmartRipper and move all files except for the vobs containing the video data to \dvd\extra. Also keep in mind that sometimes you'll end up with a "vts_*_01.vob" file that is 0 bytes. You can move that to the \dvd\extras folder too, as well as any other .vobs that are 0 bytes.
3. Demux the Video with DVD2AVI.
3a. Launch DVD2AVI.
3b. Load the titleset or DVD from \dvd\rip into DVD2AVI by clicking File > Open and selecting the first .VOB in the titleset and clicking OK. DVD2AVI should select the rest of the vobs in that titleset automatically. Review the list to make sure that the vobs you want demuxed are included, and click OK.
3c. Press F6 to view the file info, and then press F8 to perform a pre-scale decision on the audio track. This ensures that you get the highest quality audio in the same size .wav.
3d. Enable Audio > Output Method > Decode to WAV.
3e. Click File > Save Project and save it to \dvd\DVD2AVI (this creates a .d2v and a .wav file). When it's finished, close DVD2AVI.
4. Convert the Data to NTSC with TMPGEnc.
4a. Open TMPGEnc.
4b. If the wizard doesn't start automatically, click File > Project Wizard.
4c. In the wizard, select DVD NTSC 16:9 if your original video is wide screen and DVD NTSC if it isn't. The audio should be set to CBR Linear PCM Audio. Click Next.
4d. Click the Video Browse to \dvd\DVD2AVI and select the .d2v file created by DVD2AVI.
4e. Click the Audio Browse and select the corresponding .wav file (it should also be in \dvd\DVD2AVI). Leave the selections at the bottom of this display alone and click Next.
4f. Check the Clip Frame checkbox, and then in the resulting display frame up your video by removing black bars from all sides. Click OK, which brings the previous dialog back up. At this point, you can choose whether or not you want to increase the quality setting used by TMPGEnc. The default is "Motion Estimate Search (fast)" which produces GREAT video. If you are happy with that setting, just click Next. However, if you are anal about this you can change it by clicking the "Other Settings" button and then changing the Motion Search Precision setting at the bottom of the dialog to a different option, but keep in mind that anything higher will take twice as long or more to encode, and there is no real quality increase. After changing to the desired setting, click OK and then click Next.
4g. The next dialog to be displayed is the bitrate Setting. Leave everything set to auto, and click Next.
4h. Browse for the output file to \dvd\tmpgenc. Leave the filename as it is as this will correspond to the DVD2AVI files you specified earlier for the project. Click save, and then click OK. Encoding will proceed (this usually takes 1. 5 minutes for every minute of video). When it's finished, you will have a beautiful NTSC 29. 97 fps .m2v video file and a corresponding re-encoded .wav file. Close TMPGEnc.
4i. At this point, you can delete the files in \dvd\rip, \dvd\extras and \dvd\dvd2avi\ if you're running low on hard drive space.
NOTE: If the total of all of your resulting .m2v files (in \dvd\tmpgenc\) is over 9. 75GB, you've got too much video for one disc. You'll need to then start the process again eliminating video from somewhere (figure about 62MB for each minute of video) to bring that down to 9.75GB or lower.
5. Author and Create the DVD Vobset.
5a. Open TMPGEnc DVD Author (TDVDA).
5b. Click Create New Project.
5c. Click Add File and browse to the m2v file in \dvd\tmpgenc. Select the title and click OK.
5d. TDVDA will scan the video and then display the Add Clip dialog, where you can set your chapter points by clicking Chapter Cut Edit (if you want chapters). After doing that, click OK (do NOT enable the audio re-encoding option). Click OK.
5e. Rename the track by clicking the Settings button on that track on the left side of TDVDA (in the chapter list). Do not change any of the settings there except for the name. Click OK.
5f. After adding all tracks (movies will only have one and episode discs will have several), click the Create Menu dialog and create your menu. If it's a movie, I usually choose No Menu from the dropdown.
5g. Click the Output button and specify the output to go to \dvd\vobset. Click Begin Output and just OK through all of the errors telling you that it's too big or that it's going to be a nonstandard DVD. The encoding process will start. When it's finished, close TDVDA.
5h. At this point, you can delete the files in \dvd\tmpgenc\ if you're running low on hard drive space.
6. Compress and Process the Video.
6a. Launch DVD2One and press the Select button for Source. Browse to \dvd\vobset and click OK.
6b. Press the Select button for Destination and browse to \dvd\final.
6c. Make sure Copy Mode is set to Full Disc, and the Compression Mode is set to Variable Ratio. Click next.
6d. Choose which audio tracks you want to include. I would recommend only choosing one; multiple audio tracks are OK, but at the (high) cost of video quality. Also, if you specified in TDVDA "no menu," then you can only choose one. Click Start.
6e. At this point, it will process and compress your vobset to ~4. 25GB, which you can burn to DVD using any DVD-Burning application (I use Nero 6 Ultra). Congrats! You now have an NTSC DVD!
6f. At this point, you can delete all files except for \dvd\final\ if you're running low on hard drive space, and then burn the data in \dvd\final\ to the \video_ts\ folder on your DVDR.
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tridith
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6. July 2004 @ 21:36 |
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wmaudio WOW thank you great explaination and guide, gj man. Thanks again :)
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wmaudio
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7. July 2004 @ 18:11 |
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No problem. I have noticed that I find something I want or need to do, then spend the next 40 hours or so finding out how others have done it or tried to do it, and then end up finding my own way using the tools everyone else tries to use. I have done this with quite a few subjects, like copying entire DVDs keeping the original menus and structures (subtitles included) in 4 easy steps. I hope this helped someone. If it only helped one person, it was well worth it. :)
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Fully
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10. July 2004 @ 22:02 |
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question for you wmaudio.
My buddy pointed me to your guide and said that he used it and it worked fine. I'm having an issue and I'm hoping you might be able to help me out.
I found the .vob files for a movie online. I can use VLC viewer to watch the movie and it's absolutely beautiful. I used DVD Shrink to burn it to DVD and found out that it is in PAL format so my stand alone DVD player won't play it.
So I decided to use your guide to see if I could get this thing to work. First off my buddy used the same DVD that I burned to do his and it worked great.
After I have ripped the disk to the Rip folder I fire up DVD2AVI. I'm following your directions but I never get the .wav file created. The .d2v is there but not the .wav. I would assume that I'm doing something wrong considering you and my buddy can get this to work so I'm hoping you can help me out. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
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wmaudio
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11. July 2004 @ 16:47 |
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Did you perform the following step from the guide...?
"3d. Enable Audio > Output Method > Decode to WAV."
You MUST do this before saving the project or it won't create the .wav.
Hope this helps!
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Fully
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12. July 2004 @ 07:23 |
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Yep I did that. Now here's a trippy one for you. My buddy used the original disk with the PAL .VOB files on it and was abel to convert it over to NTSC. Unfortunately he made it 16:9 instead of 4:3 by mistake and the movie is a little elongated.
I took the same disk, the original, and was not able to get the .wav file. So he gave me his NTSC formatted one and I ran it through the whole process again to change it to 4:3 and it worked beautifully. I got the .wav file and the .d2v. So I'm totally lost as to why it wouldn't work with the original disk for me yet it did for him.
Thanks for your time on this. I truly appreciate it.
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VideoBob
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12. July 2004 @ 15:03 |
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Quote:
wmaudio
I have noticed that I find something I want or need to do, then spend the next 40 hours or so finding out how others have done it or tried to do it, and then end up finding my own way using the tools everyone else tries to use. I have done this with quite a few subjects, like copying entire DVDs keeping the original menus and structures (subtitles included) in 4 easy steps. I hope this helped someone. If it only helped one person, it was well worth it. :)
I'm the same way. I'm curious about your four steps. I'm currently cloning dvd's using DVDClone2 and just following the on-screen prompts. I guess that comes to four steps.
Is that what you use?
I haven't done this with a PAL DVD, but I'm going to be trying soon.
bob
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weezal
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13. July 2004 @ 05:09 |
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Hey everybody, I think this might work, I'm still working on it though. I converted the first 5 mins. of my video with Canopus Procoder then used Mpeg Video Wizard to join the old PAL video and the new NTSC video (Make sure you add the audio that came with the NTSC video.). Then when you hit the Export button, give it a name, then as soon as the new window pops up, click the abort button (it will ask "Delete partially recorder file, click "yes"), click the "Video" tab and where it says "Reference you should see a little rectangle with a file name on it, make sure its the first one (the NTSC video from Procoder). The hit "Select". You should see some things below it change, dont worry about that. Then click the "Monitor" tab, then click "Start". Tell me if my method is bad cuz i was just fooling around with it last night and thought it may work.
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grzesiu
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13. July 2004 @ 21:23 |
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Yeah, Im doing the DVD2AVI step in creating the .wav file. Im doing exactly what it says but its still not creating the .wav file. Its only creating the .d2v file. Can anyone help?
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weezal
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14. July 2004 @ 11:16 |
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Just so you all know, my idea worked. So dont fret. Its a perfect plan. You will love the outcome. Just test it out, tweak a couple of things (whatever you want), but be sure to stick to the method and keep the framerate at 29.97fps. Tell me if you dont like my idea. Or if you have anything to add to it.
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thenock
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20. August 2004 @ 14:13 |
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I have a few questions.
I can not find the audio ch6 on the disc that I'm trying to convert. There is nothing in the audio folder, but the DVD plays great on my DVD player.
Do I need to run all of the VOB through DVDx?
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wmaudio
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20. August 2004 @ 15:39 |
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Fully and grzesiu:
I don't know why it's not creating the .wav. If it's working for your friend(s) and not working for you, then it has to be an issue with your machine. I would say that both of you have the same issue and I bet the resolution is the same too, once we find it! LOL...
Make sure you're running the right version of DVD2AVI. Let's start there.
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thenock
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20. August 2004 @ 21:12 |
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Is there a way to do this with less GB taken up on my PC? I only have 5 GB free.
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thenock
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23. August 2004 @ 12:19 |
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I was able to convert my DVD with the first method and it works on my PS2 now. Thanks a lot.
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lisamw
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9. September 2004 @ 12:09 |
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is there any way to convert the PAL to NTSC using NeoDVDplus without having it make a menu? what i'd like to do is use neodvd plus to convert the movies to NTSC without the menu so i can later use dvdlab to put more than one of my svcd's that i've already converted to dvd onto one dvd-r so i can have one menu instead of 3 or 4, i've already done this i have been able to fit 3 movies on one and it plays fine but there in PAL and wont play on my other dvd player.
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Discmania
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10. September 2004 @ 06:37 |
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There might be an alternative: lobby the government to change the US format to PAL!!! (sorry if I'm injecting some sarky humor into the prceedings). In UK we don't have this problem - if we have an NTSC disc we just click a button on the remote. Also it is known that the NTSC system cannot reproduce certain colours acurately.
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rootboy
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12. September 2004 @ 06:44 |
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About neoDVDplus 5, couldn't you rip the dvd using DVD extractor and use a program like DVD2one or DVD shrink to size it to your disk?
Does neoDVDplus let you copy protected DVDs? If not, then you would need another program to rip the VOBs anyway.
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amarsana
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2. October 2004 @ 04:59 |
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Okay I downloaded ready to burn VOB dvd files from suprnova. and it's in PAL!!!
can you guys tell me what do i need to do to convert them to NTSC???
PLEASE
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2. October 2004 @ 06:06 |
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This is my first post after having been visiting this site for over a year now on a daily basis, and have learned many things regarding backing up. Converting pal to ntsc was one that I've recently been trying to figure out after getting 3 pal movies from ebay that I couldn't watch. (They aren't available in region 1) And being the type that hates to have to use a bunch of programs and the amount of time it would take to achieve this conversion(and didn't want to "invest" more money on a region free dvd player, since I already have 4 dvd players plus 2 PS2), I went here: http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks Entered the model numbers to my dvd players got hacks for all but one and they all play the region 2/pal dvds perfectly, just seems a lot simplier/cheaper to me. The pal dvds I bought were: Disney's "In Search of the Castaways", 2 Miniseries: Noble House(Pierce Bronson) and Jack The Ripper (Michael Cain) Now I just gotta get a full uncut version of the original King Kong. BIG THANKS to all who have written guides and answered in the forums, the info I've gotten has saved me lots of time and aggrevation. If u click the link and it says missing page, on the left hand side click the link DVD HACKS.
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