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21. June 2006 @ 09:03 |
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Lol at least you're making a business out of it. More than I can say for myself!
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21. June 2006 @ 09:28 |
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Not quite a business per say...more like a hobby with benefits.
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21. June 2006 @ 12:24 |
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Boxwrench,
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Not quite a business per say...more like a hobby with benefits.
That's the way I do it!! BTW does your 3000 bark? Cause mine was a dog no matter what processor was in it. I only had mine a few months and then sold it as a 2.8/533 to my neighbor. Hey, it was a lot better than the 733 P3 he replaced with it. I had bought just the computer. No keyboard, mouse or monitor. It was part of a 25 computer deal through a friend for cheap. Horrible benches with no room for improvement. The 3.0/800 ran considerably faster at the default settings on the P4P800-SE!
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21. June 2006 @ 12:27 |
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Yeah I bet. When asked why it had to be this way for my build by my parents, I said "you wouldn't get a PC this good for £2000 let alone £1200" - and let's face it I'm right aren't I?
X2 4200 with zalman heatsink and arctic silver, 2GB Corsair RAM, A8N-SLi Board with better chipset cooler, X1900XT Graphics card, 580W PSU, a raptor and 250GB barracuda, a fan controller and two displays, an awesome case, loads of ventilation and a fair bit of Ultra violet light!
Not to mention it'll probably be quieter than a stock PC with a stock heatsink!
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21. June 2006 @ 13:25 |
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sammorris,
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Not to mention it'll probably be quieter than a stock PC with a stock heatsink!
Stand next to a Dell Dimension 4700 if you want to hear quiet. Then open the cover and check all the dust bunnies stuffed in the CPU heat sink. It's like a Dust Bunnie farm!!
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21. June 2006 @ 13:27 |
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Sorry, so what's the verdict on them then?
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21. June 2006 @ 14:28 |
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sammorris,
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Sorry, so what's the verdict on them then?
I assume you mean the 4700! It's an excellent business computer but by our standards, even with a 3.6, it's slow!
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theonejrs
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21. June 2006 @ 18:57 |
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Need a little help here everybody..my computer died..so I got a new board [gigabyte K8 Triton].I had wanted to upgrade to an AMD Processor at the equilivant of 3.0GHz or a little more.The Tech ordered it! Told me no 3.0 but 3.1,I said OK.SO ANY WAY WHEN I GET IT HOME,power-up,its a AMD Septron 3100+ Socket 754!In my System Properties it shows as a 1.81 GHz.Now I'm pretty upset cause I think I got a 3GHz Computer.I call him back he tells me I have 3100+ which is ment as 3.1GHz running at1800 MHz...Everywhere I look 3100+ is a 1.8GHz
So WHOs RIGHT?Just what do I have
Are their any reliable tests
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21. June 2006 @ 19:17 |
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@rick5446,
What you have is 1.8ghz sempron processor.
What he is trying to tell you is your processor is the equivalent of an intel celeron 3.0GHZ processor due to different architecture.
AMD dont as yet have a 3.0GHZ processor available for retail.
P.S.Hope it didn't cost too much:(
This might explain it better:
First off, the CPU clock of the Intel Celeron D is much higher than that of the AMD Sempron, but with a tradeoff. The Intel Celeron D's core pipeline is much longer than the AMD Sempron, which should mean that it processes faster right? But here's the caveat, the Intel Celeron's branch predictor is not always correct, and when this happens, calculations sent incorrectly down the pipeline have to restart themselves. Thus, having a longer pipeline means it takes longer for the process to start all over again. This is why the AMD Sempron 64 excels in calculation-heavy applications such as gaming; its pipeline is much shorter, allowing the branch predictor to restart incorrectly sent processes much faster than the Intel Celeron D. Also, the FSB on the Intel Celeron D runs at 553MHz while the Sempron 64 runs at a FSB speed of 800MHz (this is also known as the hyper-transport bus for AMD).
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 21. June 2006 @ 19:26
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21. June 2006 @ 20:30 |
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crowy..Thanks for your quick response..Pd 180bucks
I half-assed realize what U are saying
would this be closer to a 3GHz..AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Socket 939 (2000FSB) CPU
In frequency terms 2800MHz would be similar to 2.8GHz[or the same]I assume
I was just looking to get this system up & running again at a little bit faster CPU CLOSE TO 3 GHz instead of my old 2.0GHz
I'm getting ready to buy a Dual core from MICRO ONE COMPUTERS they have some fair prices on Barebone Units
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21. June 2006 @ 20:46 |
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@theonejrs,
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BTW does your 3000 bark? Cause mine was a dog no matter what processor was in it.
Well to be truthfull,I never considered it slow.When I ordered it I got the optional 1 gb,Pc3200 Kingston ram so it was running dual channel @800mhz. and as for the H/T I think it made a difference,but you must understand my previous computer was an old Compaq 1.8 P4 256mb.PC133 (the first P4 I believe) So any thing was fast in comparison. If I only knew then what I know now...well let's just say I would'nt do it again! LOL!
BTW-The computer I had before the Compaq was also a P3 733,I still have it...somewhere.
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boxwrench,
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Well to be truthfull,I never considered it slow.
Pop that CPU out of the 3000 and put it in a P4P800-SE. Just boot it up with stock settings. The difference is noticable and visible. It's like moving up to the next processor in speed. Once you adjust the settings to optimize the stock CPU, you will know why I considered the 3000 slow!
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theonejrs
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21. June 2006 @ 21:18 |
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theonejrs,
Alright! Now you've got me going,I guess I'll just go ahead and place that order right now! I've got a pair of 1gb. Corsair xms series That should help it along nicely...would'nt you think?
I'll be sure to post my results when the transformation from poodle to wolf is complete.
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Boxwrench,
What CPU are you using? (I forgot) If it's a 3.0/800 I'll give you the settings I'm using. Just let me know and I'll PM them to you! I sent them to Brobear when he did a build using this board with a 3.4 Northwood. My XMS memory is cas2, what's yours? With the 3.0/800 you should see a lot better MIPS as the 3000 was below the sandra benchmark that you compared it to, the 530E. You should see 10,000 MIPS around 3.4 to 3.5 with a nice fat memory bandwith in the 5700s.
If you've seen my benches, at the speed I'm running it now the memory is running at 490MHz. I want to try and give up some of that memory speed and bandwidth to gain a little CPU and FSB speed. This trick with my D940 resulted in my giving it an AMD rating of x2 4750+ at just a hair below the 4800+ in performance. I want to see what it does, doing the same thing with the Prescott on the 478 platform! I think that a 25% OC is possible without major boosts in voltages or temps. That's un-heard of performance anywhere!
Happy 'Putering,
theonejrs
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Did you look at my latest post at the prescribed memory settings?
also, If I were to change mobo to an asus(as it seems that the Abit is not helping me much) would I have to reload windows and lose all of my programs? I am thinking of keeping all else the same, But suggest mobo for the intell 3.2? Or am I wasting my time with the limitations of the cpu?
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21. June 2006 @ 23:31 |
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theonejrs,
The prescott is indeed a 3.0/800 and the Corsair ram is Cas 2 with 2-3-3-6 timings.I would really appreciate it if you could send those settings to me,I don't know if I'll get the same results as you but I'll sure have fun trying! Oh,yes...thanks in advance!
What would you suggest for cooling? I was considering using the Thermaltake Polo I have lying around,it's a huge beast but has served me well in the past.
Also,just incase you were wondering what case I was going to use,this is the one I bought along with the m/b.Inexpensive but functional.http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811119075
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Boxwrench,
I will get them together for you tomorrow. The best thing about the adjustments I made are that they for the most part are Non-Volatle. You can't blow anything up changing memory timings. Most times if it gets past the post, it will run. BTW I finally figured out why the problems burning DVDs. It's a glitch caused by the OC that affects timings. DVD burning requires extremely precise timing so there's an example for you of a perfect running machine that does everything perfect except burn DVDs. You get stuff like that so make reasonable changes and test, run Prime95 on it and use it for a while before you make more changes. And for God's sake "Keep Notes"!!!
Happy "Putering",
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Ugh, a megahertz clown. The Sempron 3100+ is 1800mhz but runs almost like 3Ghz, I'd say about 2700. It also has 64-bit technology so will be faster when Vista comes along. AMD megahertz is irrelevant, you really want it as low as possible to keep the heat down!
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baltekmi,
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Did you look at my latest post at the prescribed memory settings?
also, If I were to change mobo to an asus(as it seems that the Abit is not helping me much) would I have to reload windows and lose all of my programs? I am thinking of keeping all else the same, But suggest mobo for the intell 3.2? Or am I wasting my time with the limitations of the cpu?
Yes I saw it. What I want to to see is the math test and see what changes the memory timings made to your MIPS. To answer your question about changing motherboards. I would of course go with what I know works and get the Asus P4P800-SE. The 3.2 and 3.4s don't seem to have as much headroom for overclocking as the 3.0/800. I don't think it's a waste of time and it should give you solid single core performance.
Happy "Putering"
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@crowy
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What you have is 1.8ghz sempron processor.
What he is trying to tell you is your processor is the equivalent of an intel celeron
I REFUSE to let you degrade the great name of the Sempron like that! You, my good sir, just earned a flaming.
Intel has a very warped sense of performance. Their budget sector is underpowered, period. AMD's processors are just less powerful. A Celeron at 3.0GHz struggles to complete everyday tasks and a Celeron D at the same speed is barely squeezing by.
I actually respect intel's mainstream but their budget components are a severe waste of money. For what it is, the Pentium 4 performs well and I have never really disliked it... just would rather use AMD.
@rick5446,
You have just purchased a very competent processor. I have personally used it @ stock and overclocked speeds. It is about as fast as a Pentium 4 2.8E GHz. If I remember mine, when overclocked to 2.4GHz, was equal to a 3.6GHz Pentium 4.
Though you really did get about what you paid for you still got ripped, yes. A Sempron 3100+ can be found as low as $80 usually.
Also, 2800MHz IS 2.8GHz. 1GHz is just another way of saying 1000MHz. Your assumptions are quite correct.
The Athlon 64 3700+ is actually equivalent to a 3.7GHz/3700MHz Pentium 4. That's what the numbers mean on AMD processors.
Semprons are the same way but their actual equivalence is a little below their number.
As to a new computer. If you really want a true 3.0GHz processor you are going to have to go with intel Pentium 4. AMD processors though, are fantastically efficient so if you had a true 3.0GHz AMD processor you would have a CPU faster than the fastest current commercially sold processors.
If you want a speedy AMD platform get an Athlon 64 3800+ Socket 939 Venice core from newegg.com or the like. They are about $150 there I think. Very fast processor and extreme overkill for anything but high-end gaming.
These dorks(sorry guys) got all caught up in memory timings and such and completely abandoned you. I hope I helped though.
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Estuanis,
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These dorks(sorry guys) got all caught up in memory timings and such and completely abandoned you.
Memory timings are an important part of performance, hence the name Performance Memory! We do not abandon anyone here as we try to help everyone. I do agree with you about the Sempron. it's not quite up to Athlon 64 standards, neither is the price and it's a much better chip than the Celeron or CeleronD!
Back in the old days before jumperless settings, you had to physically go in and change the jumpers! UGH!! Glad those days are over. Even with jumperless, the rules that governed what you could do are still the same as when you had the jumpers. It's just easier to do now.
I've personally OC'd a 3.0/800 Prescott to 3.84 which is about a 23% or so OC! I've also OC'd my D940 to about 20% (3808MHz from 3200) so I have a fair idea of what I'm talking about. I'm not any kind of fanboy but I do have my prefrences. I use mostly Asus motherboards as I have had very good success with them over a lot of years. I have build some MSI and Asrocks as well! I like nVidia video cards but I'm getting an ATi for this one. I build about 18 or so a year and every one is built with my customers needs in mind. If they want Intel, they get it! If they want AMD, same thing. Most of my sales are for business purposes so most of it isn't real expensive or complex. Hey, It's a living!!!
Happy "Putering",
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@Estuansis,
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A Celeron at 3.0GHz struggles to complete everyday tasks and a Celeron D at the same speed is barely squeezing by.
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It is about as fast as a Pentium 4 2.8E GHz.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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i have no problem with my celeron 2.5ghz running 512meg, 160gig hd & win98se.
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@Estuansis,
Sure looks closer to a celeron 340D@2.96GHZ to me.
Heres a flame for you Good Sir:)
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@ddp,
There is nothing wrong with celerons or semprons or electrons or protons!!!Its simply a matter of horses for courses.
If the processor/memory/graphics/sound etc do everything you want who can say"Wow,I have a 7GHZ acme processor that does this,this or this,when you only have a 200MHZ processor and it wont do this,
this or this".Again if your computer does what you want thats all that matters!!
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