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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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harvrdguy
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15. March 2009 @ 22:11 |
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Russ - thanks for the link about the Enzotech sinks - they look very nice. So the idea would be to get the tallest that will fit under the ultra 120, right?
Originally posted by sam:
The heatsinks on the Rampage and Rampage II are beef.
Sam, is "beef" good or bad? Lol. (I like beef and I think you mean good - but not being a limie I have to ask lol) If you meant good, then do you still like the idea of spreading around as many Enzotechs as will fit, or do you like some other type of cooler - maybe something in a low profile thermalright.
If you meant bad, then for sure - what mods should be made?
Back to the memory cooling that Russ took note of, here is a cool picture of the HR-07 Duo, designed to allow closer spacing of the coolers for up to 4 DIMMs in a row, unlike the HR-07 original two-radiator design where the memory modules had to be one space apart.
Sam, with Shaff's Maximus board, does this mean you are still in the dual 4870x2 business - I hope so!!
Yes indeed, the Rampage II Extreme slot 7 cannot provide 16x - it's either 8x or 1x. You can set the bios for 5 at 16x, and 7 at 1x, or the other setting is 5 and 7 both at 8x. So those dudes, like that "crazy" sink-happy Canadian, were only getting 8x bandwidth for their second 4870x2, and I would bet the dual 295 guys are running it the same way - slots 3 and 7.
For dual pci-e 16x they would have to be running their boards right up next to each other in slots 3 and 5 - I don't see how even the standard turbine designs could work well with zero spacing between the cards.
So on the Maximus you'll be running two at 8x - well hell if they run stable, that's the important thing, and let's just see how much it all matters in performance - after all the PCI-E 2.0 standard doubled it up over 1.0 - so maybe there won't be as much of the bottleneck as we're expecting.
But with that board and the HAF, it will be nice to see you get some stable run-time and hopefully no more BSODs for a change!! I guess we'll see what you put together when the HAF arrives in a couple days.
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16. March 2009 @ 04:16 |
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Beef ~ Beefcake ~ Big-ass ~ Bad-ass. If that makes any sense!
The problem, if they're like the heatsinks on the Maximus II is that the stock thermal paste is appalling. Still, even when I forgot to turn on my side fan at all when playing an hour of Left 4 Dead (I only noticed when I tried to work out why the fans on the X2s had gone all the way up to 100%) it didn't cause me any stability problems having a 70ºC Northbridge and 75ºC Southbridge (I kind of like being able to monitor that one)
As nice as the HR-07 memory coolers are, they're a bit unnecessary really, Dominator RAM from Corsair barely runs warm to the touch.
The HAF should arrive tomorrow, but ultimately, it now seems more a case of convenience than necessity. The dual X2s and Ultra-120 really are a bit of a squish in the NZXT case, but having changed the board, the system works even when i'm an idiot and forget to plug in the most hard-working case fan in the system. With Catalyst version 9.2 the powerplay bug has returned, so the X2s get stuck at 750mhz rather than 500 at the desktop. Apart ftom wasting power this also means more heat, and no more silence at idle as the fan speed rise a bit. I'm hoping that the HAF's cooler ambient temperature will mean I can get away with the normal 27% fan speed even with said bug, and hope it goes away in 9.3.
AS you'll see in the Graphics thread, amazingly, there doesn't look to be any performance impact at all of running 8x, and I agree, I think that's all down to the PCI express 2.0 technology. I'm certain I'd have had issues with 8x of PCIe 1.1 bandwidth.
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16. March 2009 @ 05:50 |
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That is absolutely smashing, Sam as I'm taking notice of on the graphics thread, where I'm finishing my post reply with a bit of info on my new spedo - hey speaking of beefcake - there you go: "my new spedo" hahahaha!
You can settle for a bit of an overclock energy-using bug in 2d as long as it's STABLE!!!
Congratulations!!
Good old shaff turned out to be useful even if he did finally tick off ddt to the point of terminality! Haha. (Tell him to pop by the graphics thread - Karen - err Binkie - won't expel him! She's nice!)
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16. March 2009 @ 06:11 |
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harvrdguy,
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So the idea would be to get the tallest that will fit under the ultra 120, right?
I guess! I wouldn't have a problem on mine because they are far enough to the rear of the computer. Besides, I have the heatpipe coolers on the DS4H and the new UD4H so I don't need them. The heatpipe coolers work better on the UD4H than they did on the DS4H, by a small amount, and nothing gets very warm while running Occt!
I'm even more curious to see what happens to the temps when I turn off the On board graphics and install an MSI 9500-GT, one of the good ones with 512MB, 128 bit, 1600MHz GDDR3 memory. HDMI, DVI, DMI/VGA adapter and DX-10! I got a good deal on it, under $50 with tax and Free Shipping! Oh, it also comes with free Far Cry 2!
Unlike most onboard graphics, these can be completely turned off, and the PCI-E 2.0 16x slot selected in the setup as the default video port! It's much more video card than I've ever owned before, so I should be happy with it. Who knows, it may even help improve my overclock as there should be less heat from the NorthBridge. it should up my 3DMark from the overclocked 7600-GT's 3997! besides, I only today realized I was gong to need it anyway as the people who write our custom AutoCad software sent me a letter advising me to upgrade the video Card! LOL!! Since I ordered the card without even thinking about my Air Turbine work, I was fortunate that the GDDR3 versions of the 9500-GT were on the list, as was the ATi 4650 Sam recommended. I do get lucky once in a while! LOL!!
Anyway, it's good to hear from you. Don't be such a stranger!
Best Regards,
Russ
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16. March 2009 @ 07:00 |
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Just shows what a difference running a dual core CPU, basic graphics, and no memory controller does. That and the AMD chipsets being more power efficient. Then again with higher speed fans I'd expect you to save the degrees you lose from having a warm climate.
Thanks for the congrats Rich. You should stick around in this thread too, it's very informative when we aren't bickering... :P
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harvrdguy
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16. March 2009 @ 07:18 |
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Free Far Cry 2 - after I just had to buy mine! Yes you did get lucky, Russ! Your 4000 3dmarks should be able to run that game - are you going to actually play it? Hahahaha. (I'm laughing because I know you're not really a mad gamer, unlike some of the rest of us, lol.)
Sam, wait til you see my post over on the other thread - it's almost done. I got carried away and color coded the air flow haha!
Those congratulations to you are well-deserved after all your hard work. I am so stoked that you're back to business on the dual 4870x2s, after the shock about "getting ready to auction off the second card." Don't scare me like that, mate.
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16. March 2009 @ 07:21 |
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Lol well, wouldn't you consider it if you had the same experience I did? The whole thing was a bit of an eye opener, I'm certainly going to have to keep my options a lot more open for high end boards. Seem Gigabytes just don't work with two graphics cards installed. I'm growing more fond of DFI and Biostar in light of their superior designs for i7s. Still going to be an out and out Gigabyte fanatic for the low end boards though.
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16. March 2009 @ 08:00 |
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got a question guys. i started up the puter this morning and opend I7 and FF at different time and i keep getting this popup comeing at me. and it looks like im running in safe mode to an exstint.
any ideas on this?
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16. March 2009 @ 08:01 |
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I see that periodically, it generally seems to indicate the program is at fault, not the system, might be wise to try and reinstall whichever browser brings up the error.
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16. March 2009 @ 08:10 |
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its both browsers thats doing it sam. and in I7 it wont let me activate tabs???
i looked in my event viewer and i got a ntfs error..telling me to do a disc check.. well when i try that i get this.
and i cant do a system restore for any date in time?
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16. March 2009 @ 08:12 |
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Hmm, interesting one, not seen that before. No system restores is normal, they often go missing, but disk error checks should work...
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16. March 2009 @ 08:14 |
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not that it will help as i have done it once allready. im gonna shut down let it set for a few mins and reboot.
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16. March 2009 @ 08:44 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
got a question guys. i started up the puter this morning and opend I7 and FF at different time and i keep getting this popup comeing at me. and it looks like im running in safe mode to an exstint.
any ideas on this?
Not at home so can't open Nero to trigger the exact error message, but i get an error box that looks very similar to that, popup every time i finish using Nero (never at any other time). For me it causes no problems or whatever, so i'm not bothered and i have a feeling it only started happening when i added a plugin to Nero way back (in fact i can't even remember why i added a plugin or what it was, sorry).
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16. March 2009 @ 09:10 |
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there is something major wrong. once i cleared cmos pulled the battery reset my mem i couldnt get windows to load. now that i have done all this windows has started up but once again its like its in safe mode,but it dont have the litle safe mode words in the corners like it normaly is when in safe mode. PLus this damn error(svchost) keeps popping up every 5 seconds....
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i think it has something to do with a virus. just ran a antipy check and i got a sillyDl trogan, and AVG isnt able t oconnect to in internet to update.
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16. March 2009 @ 10:10 |
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i cannot get avg to update. failed connection everytime i try and update. it wont let me untinstall it or anything. plus i still cant do a disc check or a system restore.. im at a loss here
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16. March 2009 @ 10:42 |
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..but surely AVG is up to date enough to scan/give you more to go on, even without the net ?.
Just manually checked, AVG 8.x just updated fine here.
A quote along the lines i posted yesterday on some thread or other ~
Originally posted by creaky:
'fraid i've only ever got bitten by one tiny, minor virus since the internet began, and i've kept most of the internet in that time :)
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16. March 2009 @ 11:32 |
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well i unhooked my rig and am now on the HP system. i cant get into any of my hard drives, open any folders or anything. i cant even get into the network connection to check which LAN i am hooked up to.. i think my HDD might be going out. im getting the 250gb ide hdd thats used for storage on the HP ready(formated) then gonna stick it in my rig and install windows and see what happens.. i dont knwo whats going on.
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16. March 2009 @ 15:40 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
well i unhooked my rig and am now on the HP system. i cant get into any of my hard drives, open any folders or anything. i cant even get into the network connection to check which LAN i am hooked up to.. i think my HDD might be going out. im getting the 250gb ide hdd thats used for storage on the HP ready(formated) then gonna stick it in my rig and install windows and see what happens.. i dont knwo whats going on.
Rob,
I had a problem like this recently with a customer's computer. I was able to boot up in Safe Mode and do a system restore from there! You might give that a try.
Good luck,
Russ
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16. March 2009 @ 15:57 |
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Rob the afterdawn virus forum is very helpful. But I'll bet you can fix your own problems by
1. Use CCleaner to totally clean all temp files and junk from your system.
2. Download latest malware bytes' antimalware program its about the best free program for this type of problem.
http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam-download.php
If you dont have these programs, use a good computer and D/L them to a USB or disc and copy them to bad machine. You shouldnt need safe mode to do this, but its there if the alternatives dont work.
You should be able to update your AVG now, so do that and I always use an updated online scanner like Kaspersky to check when I think I'm done.
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16. March 2009 @ 17:20 |
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@Sam
I seem to recall you or someone else mentioning your having the 4870. Infact, I think its a x2. Does it really run that hot? Ive been considering getting the single 1gb version, but but people are complaining about pink artifacts, as well as heat! Any thoughts on that? Other than the bugs, this card could last me quite some time.
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16. March 2009 @ 23:45 |
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home from work now..
Russ that idea might work i will try it n the morning.
Deadrum
i ran ccleaner.didn't show much. remove much. and i have malewarebytes on there i cant open it up.
Ive talked to a IT guy at work today he says i have a virus that is attacking the anti virus stuff and it wont let me do admin type stuff.
the Trojan i got and thought i removed is called "sillyDL Trojan" anyone heard of it or even removed it? from what little i have found about it, it is a SOB to get rid of.
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17. March 2009 @ 00:25 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
home from work now..
Russ that idea might work i will try it n the morning.
Deadrum
i ran ccleaner.didn't show much. remove much. and i have malewarebytes on there i cant open it up.
Ive talked to a IT guy at work today he says i have a virus that is attacking the anti virus stuff and it wont let me do admin type stuff.
the Trojan i got and thought i removed is called "sillyDL Trojan" anyone heard of it or even removed it? from what little i have found about it, it is a SOB to get rid of.
Rob,
Another shot in the dark but TuneUp Utilities 2008 has a startup manager which shows everything that's installed during boot up, any of which can be turned off. Maybe something is being loaded at that point, which you could then turn off. If it's something preventing you from doing Admin stuff, check and see if you can open up the taskbar (Ctrl-Alt-Delete). If you can it's not an Admin type thing because you could turn it off from the taskbar, and that would never do for the bastards that get their jollies doing this kind of stuff!
Keep watch on your email!
Best Regards,
Russ
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17. March 2009 @ 00:36 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
and that would never do for the bastards that get their jollies doing this kind of stuff!
Keep watch on your email!
Best Regards,
Russ
Sounds like something I might say LOL. Why cant people leave other peoples Sh-- alone!!! Because exactly that reason! They get their Jollies off!!! LOL
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Darnit, I dont wanna start some fanboy explosion! Let me try and word this in such a way that I minimize if not cancel out the possibility.
I currently own an 8600GT asus geforce 512mb video card. I bought it in late 2007(december I believe). Its performed above and beyond. I wish to upgrade my final component! However, I also wish it to be ATI! Other than my onboard 3300 HD ATI chipset(which I havnt tinkered with), I have not experienced ATI! Simply put, It would be my first experience with the technology. Can I get some peoples opinions on the matter. Please please do not say nvidia is better! That is not the reaction im looking for. I would like to give a new company(new to me) the benefit of the doubt. And I hear from multiple sources they are QUITE good! Is the 4870 worth eating dirt for a month LOL! Ok, not quite that bad. :D And what would be the benefit of the 512mb VS the 1gb version? I think I understand the answer to that, what I mean is, is it worth the extra dough?
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17. March 2009 @ 04:30 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Darnit, I dont wanna start some fanboy explosion! Let me try and word this in such a way that I minimize if not cancel out the possibility.
I currently own an 8600GT asus geforce 512mb video card. I bought it in late 2007(december I believe). Its performed above and beyond. I wish to upgrade my final component! However, I also wish it to be ATI! Other than my onboard 3300 HD ATI chipset(which I havnt tinkered with), I have not experienced ATI! Simply put, It would be my first experience with the technology. Can I get some peoples opinions on the matter. Please please do not say nvidia is better! That is not the reaction im looking for. I would like to give a new company(new to me) the benefit of the doubt. And I hear from multiple sources they are QUITE good! Is the 4870 worth eating dirt for a month LOL! Ok, not quite that bad. :D And what would be the benefit of the 512mb VS the 1gb version? I think I understand the answer to that, what I mean is, is it worth the extra dough?
You can't do much better than this for the money. Works in crossFire too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127401
Cool running card with a nice heatpipe cooler on it, and for $116 after $30 MIR, it's hard to beat unless you want to step things up higher! You can go a lot higher in price, if you like! "Whats in Your Wallet"? LOL!! Don't let nothing hold you back except fear! ROFL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
My 8500-GT will be here in the morning!
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