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The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread
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24. August 2008 @ 18:49 |
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RC-690. And it's form over function. Plus it looks more professional ;)
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24. August 2008 @ 18:51 |
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690 sorry. :)
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harvrdguy
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24. August 2008 @ 18:53 |
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So boozer, what are you gaming on these days - you sell all your best stuff off. Do you have a water-cooled rig?
Ray is out in front on water-cooling. Do you think I should go water-cooled on the new build in a year - the air-cooled cpu coolers are so effective now - HIS, Tuniq - I hear they run neck and neck in terms of OC'ing.
But Sam, being the master of quiet, isn't it easier to quiet everything if you are water-cooled? You don't have to be so concerned with case ventilation - mostly just good flow through your radiator - or am I missing something? Shaff what's your take on the great water-cooling debate?
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24. August 2008 @ 18:55 |
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Nope, he has an xbox 360, that's it. :)
He just sold his gaming PC, as he does often.
Watercooling systems are scarcely very loud, but it's easier to get quiet air cooling than install watercooling, and it's almost impossible to silence watercooling like you can air cooling, primarily because it's easier to get silent fans than silent pumps.
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harvrdguy
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24. August 2008 @ 18:59 |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the pumps. That's a low frequency hum, isn't it? Probably a fairly penetrating "rumble."
So with heat-pipe technology - has it been proven to everybody's satisfaction (except for Ray of course) that air cooling is just as effective as water-cooling?
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24. August 2008 @ 19:01 |
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a) generally yes
b) not if it's done right. You will never see temps as low on any air cooler as any good watercooler, but you will usually see them low enough - that's the difference. As long as you don't get a cheap-arse kit, a high end CPU could be cooled to 45C on air, 32-33C on water, load. 33 is great, but 45 is no great concern either, if you see what I mean.
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24. August 2008 @ 19:01 |
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Ahahahha, Water cooled rig. What a silly idea. No I don't have a water cooled rig. Oh and I only have an Xbox 360 and PS3. Hit me up on PSN or XBL some time.
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24. August 2008 @ 19:02 |
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an Xbox AND a ps3. No wonder you can't afford to keep hold of a gaming PC!
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24. August 2008 @ 19:07 |
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I swear this PS3 is almost useless though! Oh and I also don't keep my computer because my dad thinks it's a waste of money or something.
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24. August 2008 @ 19:08 |
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Lmao...
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24. August 2008 @ 19:10 |
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BTW, you're missing US behind the newegg links in your sig...
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24. August 2008 @ 19:11 |
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Oops - I meant to remove UK and US so it made more sense to place them on one line - I need 3 lines of sig not 5 to have a picture, and it has to be that tiny to be within the rules - almost pointless having it really, but there we go.
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24. August 2008 @ 19:16 |
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Why don't you get a pic of the entire card? You can have a width of up to 500px.
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24. August 2008 @ 19:17 |
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Can't find one at a suitable angle. Pictures of the proper 4870X2 rather than the first engineering sample are rare.
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spamual
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24. August 2008 @ 19:42 |
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w/c will be for me, when nehalem comes around, maybe before, if i get a much better rig.
for me, it'll keep temps down, is quiet, (ok not sam quiet, but normal human ears quiet :p) AND looks very nice if done with thought, unlike the one in the cm-690
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24. August 2008 @ 19:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
A coolermaster though. I'd take the Zalman 850 over the CM any day.
The blue/green does look a bit ridiculous on the kink coils (i'm pretty sure you don't need that many) but I like the matt black finish. I'm not sure I'd want a reflective inside to a case, could be messy.
The RC-590 is a decent enough case, but I much prefer both the styling and design of a lot of NZXT cases - not to mention the included decent quality fans...
bit off topic but I'm sure we can relate it to GFX cards. lol.
Don't have the Zalman but it looks like a good psu. ;) I do have the CM 850 and it's a good psu, NO doubt about it. ;) Of course it's the "newer" model that has the "80 plus" sticker on it. lol. A quick little search indicates the "better" CM-850 has that little sticker. lol. :P
The RC-690 and RC-590 cases are nice. I like the "available" cable management and of course the air flow is very good to say the least. ;) Of course Sammy would change out the fans but if they're not running "full tilt" they are pretty good. ;)
NOW (the relating part) either psu will run a couple of GFX cards w/o any issues. :D
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harvrdguy
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24. August 2008 @ 20:08 |
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Sam has a new sig - I think he likes his x2!!
Spamual, Shaff's cousin, likes water-cooling. Not Sam cool but cool enough for normal human ears. What's your take on water-cooling greensman?
Ok, well if the difference is the rumble of the pump, what is the decible rating of a little pump - does anybody know? It can't make THAT much of a little rumble! And there should be some way to sound-deaden the pump - wrap cotton around it etc. I can't believe you can't get a pump down to nearly inaudible, which would be, what, 5-10 db?
Sam, you said 32-33 degrees with water, 45 degrees with air. You said that's close enough. But is it really if you want to drastically overclock the cpu?? I'm thinking of everybody still struggling with crysis, and I imagine they'll still be struggling with crysis by the time nehalem kicks in, and the 5000 series ATI cards arrive. I read a review recently of the GTX280 SLI, and for the fun of it (maybe it was 3dguru) the reviewer got a cpu from intel that was majorly overclockable, and pushed it all he could go - it might have been air cooling however. Using the 3dmark vantage, he found that the much faster cpu speed also increased the graphics scores although they are supposed to be independent.
So my point is that the temperature difference seems huge to me, 30% warmer with air versus water. That HAS to make a major difference on overclocking, No??
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24. August 2008 @ 20:31 |
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Originally posted by crimsonboy:
Spamual, Shaff's cousin, likes water-cooling. Not Sam cool but cool enough for normal human ears. What's your take on water-cooling greensman?
I like what "water cooling" offers but I have this aversion to mixing water and electricity. lol. Well the potential mix that is.... :P
As for the noise that water cooling adds it would be the "cooling fans" with the radiator that might be an issue. Well at least some them I've seen. Never used one so don't ask. lol. ;)
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24. August 2008 @ 20:35 |
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It's not actually water in there lol. The coolant is not electrically conductive. My main reason for not water cooling is the cost involved.
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24. August 2008 @ 20:52 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
It's not actually water in there lol. The coolant is not electrically conductive. My main reason for not water cooling is the cost involved.
you know me.. i don't normally say this but "you're wrong". lol. It is water and you add some stuff to it that makes it cool better and also gives it some color if you so choose. ;)
crazypc.com link for "green" color additive and coolant L@@K at what you add the "green stuff" too... distilled WATER. ;)
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24. August 2008 @ 20:54 |
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If it's got stuff in it then it's not water anymore ;) At leasts thats how I think. Otherwise Pepsi, Coke, Milk, would all be considered water, right?
Anyway, it's distilled water so you're safe either way. But it really is expensive isn't it? I can't justify the cost.
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harvrdguy
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24. August 2008 @ 21:19 |
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Boozer, let me clue you in. Pepsi, Coke, Milk, ARE considered water. I'm speaking from a chemical standpoint. They are, after all, more than 90% water, right?
Greensman, you have a good point about mixing water and electricity, but distilled water, pure water, is quite different in its conductive powers from everyday tap water.
Boozer, I know you're going to say that distilled water doesn't conduct electricity - and you're right to a point. It will conduct a tiny amount of electricity as it ionizes water to H+ and OH- but it HARDLY conducts at all - and the type of shorting out that you are thinking of, Greensman, isn't going to occur.
Boozer, I must have missed something when you mentioned the cost of distilled water. A gallon for ironing clothes runs about $2 at the supermarket, or am I missing something. Maybe SUPER distilled is $5 a gallon, but how much water could you possibly need in a PC, a couple of quarts? Edit: Ohhh, Duhhh, you're talking about the whole cost of the water cooling system. I can be really dense sometimes. I'll let greensman answer that below.
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24. August 2008 @ 21:21 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
If it's got stuff in it then it's not water anymore ;) At leasts thats how I think. Otherwise Pepsi, Coke, Milk, would all be considered water, right?
Anyway, it's distilled water so you're safe either way. But it really is expensive isn't it? I can't justify the cost.
The initial cost is a little much, yes. ;)
NOW go ahead and pour Pepsi, Coke, Milk, or the "coolant" on the electrical parts and see what happens. :) I'M NOT APPROVING THIS ACTION THOUGH!!! rofl... ;)
It still has the ability to "conduct" electrical current so it has the same properties that water does. :P
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Is this the GFX thread or the "cooling" thread??? hehehe. Well at least we know that creaky will steer clear.... ROFL... :P
add: crimsonboy you're right about the "conductivity" of distilled water but it will still have some negative affects if "something" bad happens. ;) Sorry it still just scares the crap out of me to get something like "water" near my babies... lol. ;P
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24. August 2008 @ 22:04 |
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lol
I guess we are all happy with our Tower heatsinks then?
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24. August 2008 @ 22:13 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
lol
I guess we are all happy with our Tower heatsinks then?
I'm NOT complaining... lol. ;P
So for those of you that have owned a HD4850.... how is it for NORMAL performance or would that be overkill if you really don't plan on serious gaming? :)
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