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1. September 2008 @ 22:41 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well, hopefully my quad will be here Wednesday or so. So we can do some comparisons.



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2. September 2008 @ 17:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sorry for the double, but I read further back in the thread.

Harvrdguy,

This is POM. Notice how the rocks in the ground texture are 3D? If I didn't know better, I wouldn't be sure if this was actual 3D models or not. The effect is that good.

With the TOD lighting mod installed too, FYI. Taken with the 8800GTS 512MB on my 17":






Sorry if the file is a bit big for those with dialup...



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2. September 2008 @ 18:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
ok slackers. heres the deal. i think im gonna lay down some funds for a GPU..i have now $100 should have about another 75 shortly.so a total of $175. whats a good GPU to get....

ive been looking some myself. i see all name brands have the same type model...4850,3850,8800gt,8800gtx,8800gts.

what the difference and which route shouldi go...as you know ive gotten hooks on COD4 and am wanting to try other shooter type games...
any kinda list to choose from would be nice....
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I know that boozer knows more than I do about these cards and gfx cards in general but getting FREE shipping on anything is always good. :)

link to HD4850 gfx cards at the EGG w/ FREE shipping

oh btw... I've been looking at these too but it seems for what I do they might be overkill. lol. well at least boozer thinks so... :P

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HD4850 for the win (in case you're unfamiliar with the acronym).



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2. September 2008 @ 19:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I didn't pick those other two because of the better fan on the sapphire and that 150 one with a good fan was out of stock.

GM, for what you want, yeah a 4850 is overkill.
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2. September 2008 @ 19:17 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by greensman:
I know that boozer knows more than I do about these cards and gfx cards in general but getting FREE shipping on anything is always good. :)

link to HD4850 gfx cards at the EGG w/ FREE shipping

oh btw... I've been looking at these too but it seems for what I do they might be overkill. lol. well at least boozer thinks so... :P

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TBH i agree with you 100% GM. but i have noticed since ive been educated a bit about them. that in my gpu now it does slowdown a bit in certain parts of the game. it looks good, and i know it can look better with the right card. if i can come across one that smacks me in the face and says this is a deal/steal i will get one..lol

FTW....yea im hip to the lingo...well most of it.

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HD3850
HD3870
8800GS
9600GT
8800GT
8800GTS

The difference between different brands of the same card is packaged connectors, free games, factory overclocks, coolers. Some brands use the reference coolers while some use an aftermarket cooler or design their own.

This a what I'd get on a budget. 8800GT. It will play almost anything well on even a 1920 x 1200 monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133232

Or an HD3870 if you prefer ATi to nVidia. Though I don't see why you would get this when the 8800GT is faster and cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125231

Or for a bit more, this is even faster than an 8800GT.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500004

Any card on the list will laugh at Call of Duty 4.



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The 8800GT is also less buggy. I'd go 8800GT or HD4850, nowt else.



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I think the 4850 might be overkill for casual gaming. The 8800GT is much cheaper and performs well enough for any game at 1680 res or better.



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8800GT brand new.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133232
Less than 125 dollars... same performance, lower price!



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2. September 2008 @ 19:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Not the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. But very close in some games. The GTS 512 has more SPs.

I would get either the 8800GT like sam and I linked to. Or, if it's still there when you go to buy, that GTS for $125 is a bargain.

I got mine for $209 only a few months ago and it will probably stay with me for a while. I don't plan on any heavy gaming with my secondary build, but it's nice to know I can when I want.



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It's no big deal though really... You could overclock the 8800GT and get it way over the 8800GTS...



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It's big enough of a deal where I chose the GTS over the GT for a similar price difference. The GTS can be OC'd too and again outperform the 8800GT.

It just depends on the price of the card when you go to buy. They're both great, but keep in mind the GTS can be quite a bit faster in high resolutions with AA and AF. Thus my choosing it over the GT.

No consequence really. Just stating my view...



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True, but if you wanted AA at decent resolutions you'd probably be serious enough to take the HD4850 over either... Anyway, I'm just a bit of a fusspot on taking used GPUs. I know I bought two myself, but hey, they were 70% of retail price, not 90.... :)



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Depending on how much you really want to spend, the GTS 512 for $125 would IMO be the best bang for your buck. The 4850 is not that much faster than the 8800GTS to where it's a big jump in performance. In some games it makes a difference to get the 4850, but not many. Crysis might be the main exception.



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You guys are forgetting the most important difference(at least in my eyes), the COOLER! That's worth paying for.

P.S. I'm only back in this thread, because this is MY THREAD. WOOT!

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That's a fairly good point actually, the cooler on the 8800GTS G92 beats the 8800GT and HD4850 ones hands down.



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Shaff, if you think that COD5, Americans versus Japanese, is going to be interesting, you should pick up Medal of Honor, Pacific Assault sometime - probably for $5 on ebay. Having played all of them - all the Medal of Honor, all the COD, all the Brothers in Arms, in my opinion, Pacific Assault is one of the very very best. Your name in the game is Tommy. Your team is constantly yelling "Wow, Tommy smoked that guy" and "Tommy get down!!" and stuff like that.
They do talk about some of the other guys too - but you really have the feeling you're part of a squad. I found it EXCELLENT and it was also very highly rated. Graphics-wise it is good - made about the same time as COD2 I think.

Dudes, don't worry about Left 4 Dead being a console game. As a family member of Miles, the main animator (who is now doing the re-modeling of the 4 main characters to end up with "not-so-hardened types") I can tell you that it is a total PC game - and if they're porting to X-box, it is for marketing and to expand sales. They are paying particular attention to graphics, and ambience, and it will be fully detailed, I have no doubt, at 2560x1600.



Boozer, that argument about not being able to tell the difference between 1920x1200, and 1024x768 is the same thing Ray used to say - with his 20,000+ 3dmark6 score. He used to run at - what was it sam - 800x600 or some such ungodly resolution. All that means is: You aren't looking closely at the picture! I remember when Half Life 2 first came out, and I ran it on my ATI9800 at 1600x1200, suffering through fps probably in the teens - for the CRISPNESS of the image! But I have a Sony monitor. Maybe Sam is right, maybe your monitor is no good if you can't really tell the difference! Ray is up to 1920x1200 now, at least, with his new monitor.

You do have a point Boozer, about consoles being "funner" - since you're playing on the TV, everybody can watch. I had a friend who used to come over and play Halo with his xbox, while I was on my PC. Sometimes I used to watch. I thought the graphics were "OK" on the Halo - kind of trick waterfalls, and interesting little machines you could fly on - but really - we were still just watching a TV - at what - 350 scan lines (it wasn't HD.) It's not as much a close in, intensive, personal experience. And it's not the same level of graphic excitement that estuansis talks about with crysis, for example.

When Sam says - playing at HD on a 60" screen might change some of that - maybe. You'll be at 1080 on 60", versus your 2560x1600 on 30". It will be sharp, but about half as sharp as what you're getting on your Dell. Still, everybody can sit back and watch.

At the Valve headquarters in Seattle, they have a big-screen plasma TV monitor in the conference room running off a PC. I saw Half Life 2 played on that monitor. They run scenes and take criticism and comments from the guys sitting around the table, as they fine-tune a game. It looked pretty good up there on the screen. But you're sitting way back - from 8 to 20 feet away - and you're not going to get the highly detailed experience that sam or estuansis get sitting 18-24" away from their LCD monitors.

Hey estuansis, I am going to be getting back to Battlefield 2 as soon as I get my 2gig sticks. Do you like Battlefield Vietnam better?

Wow, that POM crysis shot
on your 2 Sept post was awesome! So estuansis, you're saying that POM gives the rocks their 3d pop? Yeah, the effect is striking! (BTW what is the TOD lighting mod?? - where do you get it and what does it add?)

I just googled POM, and I see it's a DX9 feature. Here's a short video similar to estuansis' picture above - just f**king amazing!! POM video DX9 crysis
-Rich

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Also because I had a CRT(a very good one at that). When you run a LCD at non-native res it looks crappy. CRTs look the same. Only difference is jaggies, which I don't notice because I'm usually too much into the game to notice the graphics all that much lol!

I should be building a new computer soon. I'm just waiting till the end of october.
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Sadly, 230x180 screenies will give any old scabby graphics good justice. You need to expand them out to big resolutions to really see how well they stand up... :
If you've not played Crysis Rich, oneof the things I'll say is that due to the motion blur (which works well, both as a graphical enhancement and at making lower frame rates more playable) screenshots will never look anywhere near as good as the real gameplay. When you play Crysis on high for real in full motion, it looks stunning.




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You guys are talking about non-native resolutions. I'm kind of ignorant about that subject. When you buy a monitor - do they tell you which of the resolutions they support are NATIVE, versus non-native? Like Sam, your 30" Dell, native is 2560x1600. Is the 1920x1200 you scale down to occasionally also a native resolution?
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The native resolution for a monitor is the resolution it was built to support, a monitor will only ever have one native resolution. For LCDs it's the highest resolution, as that maps the pixels 1:1 perfectly without interpolation or extrapolation being required (resulting in a fuzzy/blurry picture). With CRTs it's the most accurate resolution. A 19" CRT that can go as high as 2048x1536 will often have a native resolution of 1280x1024 (like mine did) or 1600x1200, as due to the higher refresh rate at that resolution, the image quality is better. Refresh rate is not a problem that affects LCDs as they do not blink on refresh.



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