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1. March 2008 @ 16:40 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Judging by the MB temps I would say you need to improve your case airflow, and if you haven't already, I would strongly suggest a 40mm fan on the Northbridge heat sink.
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Russ
The side intake fan will pull air in and down onto the northbridge once I plug it in. Just havent yet as I havent run its cabling.
What sort of temp should I be aiming for on the Motherboard reading, and am I to assume from no mention of other temps that you think they are okay?
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1. March 2008 @ 16:56 |
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pepp. looking at your temps on the cpu and the fan speed. isnt your CPU fanrunning kinda slow? 500-600rpms
my cpu fan is spinning at 1800-1900rpms.... if you could double your speed your temps would come down..
3.2ghz very nice well done
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1. March 2008 @ 17:05 |
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Rob - Ive kinda been thinking the same thing - the fan on the heatsink should have a max of about 2500RPM, but its never turned at more than about 750 RPMs, Im not sure if its faulty, Ive had it spinning once at almost full RPMs but that was after I gave it a push when it wasnt moving at all when I first installed it, but some people and the manual say this fan doesnt speed up until it hits a certain temp. Ive had a look in the BIOS but cant find anything that could be keeping it slow, the setting I thought it was allows me to set it to auto or PWM or one other - Ive tried auto and PWM and both give the same speeds.
Before I overclocked at all the fan never turned until I loaded the CPU then it never went above about 450RPM.
Ive just converted a 102 minute film using convertx and it completed it in about 17 mins (old PC would have taken at least an hour) and the fan speed never went above 450 even though the CPUs were at 60-80 % utilisation and the temps for the 3 CPU sections are all about 10 degrees lower than under Orthos. Motherboard is still showing 47 degrees.
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1. March 2008 @ 17:34 |
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Pepp77,
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The side intake fan will pull air in and down onto the northbridge once I plug it in. Just havent yet as I havent run its cabling.
Don't count on that, because I found with mine that the side fan actually made the MB temp higher with the fan turned on and I tried it both directions. It's a "local" problem! By that I mean the CPU socket and the NB sit right next to each other and they are connected by the traces on the MB. The heat migrates through those traces. With a decent cfm 40mm fan on the NB heatsink it pulls a lot of the heat away from the CPU so it doesn't add more to the overall temps. I wound up dropping my MB temp from 47-49C to 38-40C just by adding the fan! I've tried 3 different NB coolers, but this still works better. On a real hot day running OCCT it might briefly hit 42C! By itself the side fan does pull air from that direction, but the CPU cooler is right behind it, so it aggravates the problem by pulling that air through the NB heat sink. Modding the MB by cleaning and resetting the NB and SB heat sinks with AS5 will help a lot too. BTW, the new Antec fan works better than the Silenx did! Much quieter too! LOL!! The room temp means a lot too. If the room is very warm, the temps will be higher. A lot will depend on the cfm of your case fans. I have over 100 cfm flowing through my case, yet none of my case fans runs faster than 1300 rpm. I'm moving about 70 cfm through the rear exhaust and about 30 cfm through the side cover exhaust fan. The front intake fan runs at full speed, but it's cfm is only around 30 cfm. This creates negative pressure inside the case, which makes the case vents move more air! That's why I love the Silverstones so much. You can run them well below maximum and still move lots of air, and they are very quiet doing it!
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What sort of temp should I be aiming for on the Motherboard reading, and am I to assume from no mention of other temps that you think they are okay?
I'm happy with 38-40C, as I know that the P35 chipset runs warmer than the 965P did, and it used to run around 35-37C.
Oh, I forgot to mention that You need to plug the fan into a PS Molex plug or if it has the right end, plug it into the PS fan header on the MB.
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Russ
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1. March 2008 @ 18:14 |
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Right Ive now plugged the side fan into the CPU header and the CPU fan into the chassis header (as shown in Everest) and the motherboard temp has dropped to 43-44 degrees celcius and the CPU is idling at 26degrees (47and 47 for cores).
The side fan is doing 575 RPM and the CPU fan is doing 900 RPM.
Ill run Orthos for a bit and see what sort of temps I get, then Ill try swapping the two fans over to their correct headers.
Edit - okay 25 mins of Orthos to compare to previous readings:-
Motherboard - 40Celcius (-6)
CPU - 46celcius (same)
Core 1 - 64celcius (-1)
Core 2 - 65celcius (same)
CPU fan = 730 RPMS(+100)
Numbers in brackets are the increase/decrease in temp or RPM.
So only the motherboard seems to have benefitted.
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1. March 2008 @ 18:46 |
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Russ, still not an addict eh? lol
Can you tell me what is a cheap fan to get for the northbridge? I am done trying to sell this so I might as well get a chipset fan and a proper cooler and get this to 3.8ghz.
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1. March 2008 @ 18:56 |
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Oh and I dont know if it makes much of a difference but my room is always fairly hot - at the moment it is a smidge under 28 celcius.
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1. March 2008 @ 19:09 |
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It does make a difference. Essentially no mater how good your air or water cooling is your temps will never dip below the air temp in your case, which should be around what the temp in your room is. So if the temp in your case is 30C the PERFECT air cooler or water cooler will keep your temps at 30C, no lower.
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1. March 2008 @ 19:24 |
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i agree with abuzar1, when back at home i found my temps were getting to high for my liking, so i decide to relocate down to the basement were the house is significantly cooler, i could get lower temps with my fans running at lower speeds:)
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1. March 2008 @ 19:36 |
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Okay Ive found out its definitely not the CPU fan thats the problem - Ive just plugged it into the PWR FAN header (3 pin) and it is running at 2450RPM - whereas the previous fan (the one thats on the front and was doing 1100-1200 RPM is now doing 600 RPM connected to the CPU header.
It appears as though the two supplied fans are 1200RPM fans as this seems to be there limit, however the two 4 pin headers seem to be limiting any fan that is plugged into it.
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1. March 2008 @ 19:44 |
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abuzar1,
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Can you tell me what is a cheap fan to get for the northbridge? I am done trying to sell this so I might as well get a chipset fan and a proper cooler and get this to 3.8ghz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129036
Just installed it to replace that piece of crap Silenx and it cools as well and is much quieter at 2200 rpm than the Silenx was at 4500! LOL!!
Pepp77,
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Oh and I dont know if it makes much of a difference but my room is always fairly hot - at the moment it is a smidge under 28 celcius.
28C is a smidge over 82F. That's a bit warm as it's right around the point where things start heating up faster with any computer! If that's your room temp then you are in very good shape temperatures wise. We keep it around 25C in our house so we have no problems. There's only AC in my room and a Swamp Cooler for the front room, so it gets in the 30-32c range in the front room, in the summertime. The D-940 runs a little warm, in the 37-39C range when it gets that hot. It's not bad really considering that the temperature outside is around 43c in the summertime.
I read what Abuzar said and I agree to a point! However, humidity has a lot to do with it too! Moist air cools better than dry air and you can get the temps below room temperature because of the evaporation proccess. There are so many variables in all of this you could write a book about it! LOL!! Realistically, the temps will remain higher than the room.
Best Regards,
Russ
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1. March 2008 @ 19:58 |
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Yeah - its always a bit sweaty in here lol
I have now turned off the Smart Fan control in BIOS and my CPU fan is running at 2450 and the front and rear fans are turning at 1100 RPM whilst the side fan is turning at 800 RPM. Current Temps are:-
Motherboard - 42C
CPU - 42C
Core 1 - 62C
Core 2 - 62C
This is after almost 25 minutes of Orthos.
Also have just realised the manual that came with my motherboard is for a different BIOS version, thank god for PDFs, it says I can up the CPU fan speed from the 600 odd using EasyTune which is on the disc. Will be trying that next.
Edit - Well East Tune was pointless - didnt make a bit of difference to the speeds of the fans, so I have two choices it would seem have the fans constantly at full RPM and get roughly the above temps or use the Smart fan control an have 300 odd RPM at idle and upto 1200 RPM at load resulting in this:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/pja77uk/Seemstobethis.jpg
So looks like these are to be my temperatures :)
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2. March 2008 @ 00:54 |
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CPU core at 64C? I would be scared! lol
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Be Aware, better yet be wary of Acer!
I'm asking everybody I know to boycott Acer! They pulled a fast one on me the other day and I am Pissed beyond belief! I have an Aspire 5610 laptop with vista on it that my customer wanted XP-Pro installed on, and I told them that I would have to call Acer and see if it will work on this laptop properly. I was told by Acer's Tech support that while Acer doesn't recommend it, it will work just fine, but Acer couldn't be responsible for any problems caused by XP-Pro. I wiped the drive as it's the only way you can remove Vista and installed my XP-Pro. It Blue Screened at windows startup! I finally used the newest version of XP-Pro and it installed. Not one single thing that needs a driver works! Nothing! I called them back up and asked why they told me that it would work "Properly" (my exact word), and was informed that it wouldn't work as there are no XP drivers available for it. Not only that my Warranty is now Void! I can get a recovery disk (doesn't come with one, you have to buy it), but the catch is, this was bought in a Pawn Shop and we have no idea who the registered owner is, and the Pawn Shop won't give us that information. Without that information, they won't sell me the disk! Oh, they cheerfully told me that I could always purchase a new copy of Vista Home Premium Edition and install it!
I don't think that they are giving their customer's a fair shake, and people need to be warned about shady stuff like that!
Russ
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2. March 2008 @ 03:27 |
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@theonejrs,
That's odd unless it's like over 5yrs old. But I have had no problem changing back any 1 yr current notebook from Vista to XP x86. XP x86 SP3 is a challange (but can be tweaked). and XP x64 SP2 is a snap on supported BIOS and CPU. (T5x/T7x/and on)
Although, this is exactly why I test on a 2nd HDD 1st to make sure it takes and or have that ghost copy ready. I'm sure you can find a torrent CD or on eBay.
What rare or spacific devices are onboard that cannot be found directly from developer? Ie, Intel Pro Wireless, UAA Buss Driver, RealTek AC97 Audio, and Intel mobile graphics, etc?
I still have an old notebook on !915x w/ XP x86 MCE working w M770 and it is fine, yet my recent PM965 w/ T7700 is running XP x64 SP2 but the Microsoft or Intel UAA Bus driver must be found ahead of time for onboard Realtek codec to work with Audigy X-Fi .
Just Curious!
Sony PSP/PS3,
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ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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NuckNFuts,
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That's odd unless it's like over 5yrs old. But I have had no problem changing back any 1 yr current notebook from Vista to XP x86.
I know it's less than 2 years old, and more than one, but it's even hard to figure out exactly which Aspire 5610 model it is, as there are a bunch of them. This one seems to be a higher end one as it has a 1.73GHz T2250 Dual-Core in it with 2GB of memory, a 120GB HDD, Intel GMA 950 Graphics and an ITU V.92 Modem. It has a 945GM chipset. It's a media center laptop, but it doesn't have the built in camera. The specs I've found don't indicate what the Sound or the Lan are
That's about all I could find out about it. The 5610 was made for a while as they came with everything from a celeron, Pentium D, Core Solo and the T series Dual Cores like what's in this one. Any insight will be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. March 2008 @ 06:21 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
I wiped the drive as it's the only way you can remove Vista and installed my XP-Pro.
That's weird, I've done several Vista to XP installs, and never had to wipe the drive, however, as part of the install of XP it asks if you want to delete the partition, perhaps that is what you are talking about.
Anyway, many vendors are placing the restore of Vista as part of the Post. On booting is there anything that says something like, "System Restore"? If not, perhaps there is a D: disk.....the restore could be there.
Good luck.
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That's weird, I've done several Vista to XP installs, and never had to wipe the drive, however, as part of the install of XP it asks if you want to delete the partition, perhaps that is what you are talking about.
Everytime I've tried (twice), it tells me that the operating system I am trying to install is older than the current version of windows and won't let me continue! Something like that, anyway!
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Anyway, many vendors are placing the restore of Vista as part of the Post. On booting is there anything that says something like, "System Restore"? If not, perhaps there is a D: disk.....the restore could be there.
Wiping the drive, erased everything on it and there was only one partition on the drive according to Acronis. There is no system restore, only F2 for the setup and F12 for the boot menu.
Tell you what, I wouldn't have Vista if M$ paid me! My next door neighbor has it and when he put in a new hard drive he had to call M$, because M$ had to OK the new drive! It's bad enough that M$ now determines what you can and can not send and receive via e-mail. Gina sent me some software (not M$ or M$ related) the other day and Hotmail permanently blocked it as unsafe, which is BS! It was a trial version of Extreme Movie Manager! It went right through on my Netscape account! I also strongly suspect that they also scan your hard drive looking for specific files and then deletes them without your knowledge. They just disappear! I had some "suspect" (if you get my drift) software on my computer and it just vanished like a fart in the wind. I put it back in my software folder on the hard drive and it vanished again, a couple of days later. I have a firewall/Router, so It's got to be M$. Hey, if Sony can buy off Warner Bros with $400 million dollars and kill Toshiba's HD/DVD right out in the open and public, anything is possible. Warner Bros were suckers as they could have gotten a lot more out of Sony. My neighbor has one of those Blew-Ray pieces of junk (a Sony) and it takes about 30 minutes of fiddling with it to get it to work. His came with a demo DVD, and half the time it fails the authentication, which is rediculous!
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Russ you seem like a clever chappy so I will assume you have tried the following, but just in case ;)
Yes I did and most of the places that say they have them don't. I've also discovered that Driverguide doesn't make everything available to their free accounts. You have to have a paid account in order to access everything. I've been a member for years, and I told them under no uncertain terms what they could do with my membership! LOL!! Thanks for thinking of me though, I appreciate it.
Best Regards,
Russ
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2. March 2008 @ 07:31 |
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Russ
The first link is Acers own driver page for the laptop - all the drivers download directly when you choose them from the drop down list. You may have to trial and error the lan drivers for example but the correct one should be there.
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Wiping the drive, erased everything on it and there was only one partition on the drive according to Acronis.
I forgot you have Acronis. I always backup Vista with Acronis' boot disc prior to installing XP, mainly because of the problems you are now encountering (I've had them also). Food for thought!
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well ive tried everything i can think of to try and control my fans some how. Pepp your thought of useinf easy tune put a idea in my crazy little brain.
i put easy tune on here open'd it up went to smart fan and it only shows my CPU fan. nothing else. and once again i cant control iot from there.
so i go into PC health it shows 3 fans and there speeds even has a a up and down button to change the speed. so i think cool i got it. changed them a couple hundred RPMs hit save. went to click on the big RED go button. nothing happend still no change.
in easy tune it shows all the volts, fan speeds, and temps. 3 of the speeds it is showing is putting up a warning signal.anyone got any idea on this?
here is screen shots of easy tune.
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i like the looks of that 3707 up top of easy tune...lol
@Russ
are you sandra stable on your rig? mines not. it is stable in orthos,everest. not sandra
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Russ - thats the version of Easy tune I tried - no matter what I set those figures at the fan stayed the same. Ive currently got it set to the bottom twoas 50% and 15C and the top two at 100% at 20C - fan is turning at 360 RPM lol an the CPU temp is 23/24 (Core 1 and 2 @ 43 and 44), motherboard at 39 - these are idle temps. Ive now tried 3 versions of Easy tune and although the manual and the pics on line show better fan settings none of the versions Ive tried have had it.
As for the warnings they are flashing because the fans are going slower than the limit set under PC Health settings. You can change these to anything so they are kinda pointless.
Edit - have done a bit more fiddling in the BIOS - decreased the CPU Voltage from 1.3 to 1.25 and Im now getting the following temps:-
New Temps
My room according to my temp gauge is 2 degrees lower than last night.
Edit 2 - Rob Ive found how to control the fans speed using Speedfan - but havent worked out how to have it temp controlled see this link:-
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/2471...r-rev2-speedfan
Edit Again :- After using the info in the above link and playing around with the temp and speed settings - I think Ive now got the two PWM fans under temp control. I changed the Speed01 speed to min 30 and max 75 and the Speed02 speed to min 30 max 100 and clicked automaticaly variated and now when idle both fans show 30%, however if I start Orthos both fans jump to their max speed settings within 10 secs. This has the CPU at 1450RPM and the other thrre fans at between 1000-1200RPM temps were 41 for motherbaord, 39 for CPU (57 and 58 for core 1 and core 2) after 10 mins or so at load.
Now its just a case of working out exactly what speeds and temps to set for best optimumisation.
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@pepp
i read that link. the last post in there suits me. as he has the same board i do the GA-P35-DS2R. i dotn have the P35C.
none of those tricks/tips work with this board. as i said i think the only way to control my fans are to hook them up to a fan controller of some sort.
i think i might take my puter down stairs its a good 15-20 degrees cooler down there. we have a dehumidifier going down there so it is moist air as Russ say's. the onlything i have no internet access down there. so i might need to go wireless. get me a router and wireless card for the new build.
if i do go that way with the wireless router do they share they bandwidth
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