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26. February 2008 @ 04:11 |
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I've used a 965 DQ6 rev 1.0 and 3.3 and now an X38DQ6 with no issues what so ever.
Most issues I've seen reported are from idiots that should leave high end kit alone.
There ae far more issues reported on the Asus X38 chipset boards than the Gigabyte ones.
I've clocked my Ballstix Tracer and Dominator to 1200 with no problems at all and whereas previous chipsets have suffered with dividers, this board take it in it's stride.
Memory bandwidth is better than anything I've used before, all my scores on Everest are top of the pile beating every other reading on the software.
OC'ing the CPU has also been very easy and the voltages have been very stable, no effort at all to get my q6600 to 3.6ghz totally stable at low temps.
FSB will run happily at 1920 'well over the official 1600 supported on the new X48.
Another difference between Gigabyte and Asus for instance is support, every question I've ever put to either has been answered by Gigabyte and ignored by Asus 'even after Asus took gigabyte over'
Also has PCI-e 2.0 support, so does give amazing GPU peformance with the latest 8800GTS's and the next high end cards to come out replacing the 8800GTX should make a big jump.
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26. February 2008 @ 07:38 |
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Nuck: Fair enough, that's one reverse scenario then I guess, I mean clearly no manufacturer is perfect, and other brands do put out gems from time to time, unfortunately I don't have the background experience of people who build PCs for a living or occupation so I can't provide a huge amount of damning evidence.. :)
As for the C-DS3R, since that's the exact board I use, maybe I'm overly swayed by how good this one is.
I always used to support Asus stuff, i've had three Asus boards, but given the agro I had with one of them, and the fact that that one, and it's predecessor both kicked the bucket after less than a year, understandably makes me less partial to the brand. The third board I have, my server board, is much better, but even so it's quirky. It seems to me like you have to spend big money to get a good Asus board. Considering the Gigabyte I use now is barely any more than I paid for the two Asus ones that failed, reliability on a budget-wise, Gigabyte seem to have got it napped.
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26. February 2008 @ 08:21 |
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@BigDK
Are you going to run dual cards? Cause if you do, you can only CF and not SLI
This is so weird, basically everyone here love gigabyte more than ASUS, and on other forums they love ASUS more than gigabyte. Very controversial.
I'm wondering if anyone here or knows someone owns a GA-X38-DS4 motherboard?
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26. February 2008 @ 11:44 |
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I don't intend to run dual cards at all, if I did then yes it would have to be ATI cards but I wouldn't touch an X2 card as there are too many issues at the moment with various drivers.
At least with an SLi or CF card option you can turn one card off, with an X2 you are stuck with it.
I don't yet have a copy of Crysis, but when I do I'll see how the system handles it.
So far every game I've played has played very smoothly with no stutters or lag, and I do always max out the resolution up to 2560x1600 depending on games max settings.
I always turn on all the eye candy as well, so there are no issues for me running a single card.
I have my 8800GTX OC'd to 2100x650 100% stable and still cool using the EK waterblock.
When its time to upgrade I'll still be looking at a single card solution from Nvidia, I'm just waiting for the next gen top end card to come out, then everything gets shifted down the line from one PC to the next.
I have no issues with Asus boards, as I also have the following Asus boards with no issues.
P5WDH Deluxe, P5WD2 Deluxe, P5W64 WS, Commando.
The only Gigabyte board I now own is this X38DQ6.
What I have seen however is there seem to be more issues with the Asus X38 boards than the Gigabyte ones, again you have to take all reports with a pinch of salt and go by your own experience.
Generally my experience is good with every board I buy, but I tend to do a bit of research before hand and buy what I know will do what I want.
This X38 board is the first board I have ever bought on release day, I took a chance and again it does everything I want (except SLi).
I won't buy a Nforce chipset board though, they are over priced and have no where near the OC capabilities of the Intel chipsets.
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26. February 2008 @ 12:51 |
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the x2 is £250 here, and in quite a lot of games, bar crysis (vs evena GTS), and the NFS series (vs even a GTS), beats the equivelent priced GTX and MASSIVLEY expensive ultra.
for its price id say its a steal. esp with xfireX being very flexible, and getting very good benches of games now.
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26. February 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Despite everything I've said about SLI, I'd sooner go with a pair of 9600GTs than a 3870X2, same price, more reliable tech, and "disableable" if that's a word lol.
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26. February 2008 @ 15:12 |
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Sounds like the right word to me, at least it sums up what can be a big advantage.
You get the option if needed, and I'd rather play a game when I wanted not when the patches finally arrived.
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26. February 2008 @ 15:55 |
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@ BigDK, See, I'm not the only one who likes or is willing to but a flag ship mobo. And you say yourself, you're waiting for the next top end GPU. So we'll come oout spending the same, ewven if I decide to go ATI. $300.00 mobo + $500.00 GPU
What I have seen however is there seem to be more issues with the Asus X38 boards than the Gigabyte ones, again you have to take all reports with a pinch of salt and go by your own experience.
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What I have seen however is there seem to be more issues with the Asus X38 boards than the Gigabyte ones, again you have to take all reports with a pinch of salt and go by your own experience.
Exactly. However if one reads on, you'll see that almost 99% of the common issues are solved with help from experienced users. And only a 1~2% of issues are of big concers (usually BIOS adjustments wanted). The P5E & MAXIMUS FORMULA are not for the average peep who has no intention of OC'n too far or no patients to read or learn. For all others coming from privious ASUS "Flag Ships", the transition is easier and if you tune it with a lil' effort, it is a wonderfull board for glitch free daily use
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Now I find it hard to believe that a single nVidia can beat out a dual ATI (current tech) on the X38 or P35 (P965/!975X maybe a run for their money)? I see a lot of synthetic benches and most optimized for AMD and of corse nVidia. Now I'm not a gamer, but for what real world little gaming I do and modest gaming my brother does, It's a fair tie if you stick to games. However, move to HD/BD DVD, and ATI begins to shine for even the average viewer (you won't need bench #s to see it).
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26. February 2008 @ 16:02 |
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BigDK,
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Another difference between Gigabyte and Asus for instance is support, every question I've ever put to either has been answered by Gigabyte and ignored by Asus 'even after Asus took gigabyte over'
I wonder how long this rumor is going to stick around as the issue has been dead for a very long time! It was planned and discussed by all the big shots back in August of 06, and then dropped. The merger never got past the planning stages and finally fell through. BTW, it was the other way around! Gigabyte was supposed to have the controlling interest, 55% of the new company. The new company was to be called Gigabyte United. The whole deal went kaput in April 07! I guess they sgreed to disagree! LOL!! We just went over this whole thing on another forum, just a couple of months ago, and there's a ton of links if you just google "GigaByte Asus Merger"!
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/gigabyte_says_goodbye_to_asus
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26. February 2008 @ 16:11 |
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You know, I never even heard about that!
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26. February 2008 @ 16:32 |
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I missed that update, and yes I see it was 51-49% to Gigabyte.
That now being corrected, the main point was that Asus have never answered any request for help I have ever made, Gigabyte have answered every one.
The last to Gigabyte was 2 weeks ago, answer 1 came back in just under 2 days, the second answer to a follow up took an hour.
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26. February 2008 @ 16:38 |
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Well I've only contacted gigabyte twice and this is what happened:
1.My motherboard wasnt working. They replaced it within 3 weeks.
2.I wanted to disable speedstep on my motherboard. So I call them up and the guy tells me to email Gigabyte Taiwan for a custom bios for me so i can disable speedstep. They said they can't do that. Eventually I figured out it was the EIST option in advanced settings.
So my experience is kinda 1/2 good. Not even.
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26. February 2008 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Well I've only contacted gigabyte twice and this is what happened:
1.My motherboard wasnt working. They replaced it within 3 weeks.
2.I wanted to disable speedstep on my motherboard. So I call them up and the guy tells me to email Gigabyte Taiwan for a custom bios for me so i can disable speedstep. They said they can't do that. Eventually I figured out it was the EIST option in advanced settings.
So my experience is kinda 1/2 good. Not even.
EIST is the less responsive of TM P state functions so it is best to leave off when overclocking. This why most better mobos blank it out as not available after you raise beyond a certain FSB.
If you wqant good reliable TM function during in overclocks, endbale both TM1/2 + C1E. For us ASUS Gigabyte users, you will at the very least get P stae function to reduce CPU ratio multi to lowest. VID low ratio will not reduce, that is something for Abit and DFI owners. Full compliant C+P State function
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26. February 2008 @ 16:55 |
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I'm not surprised you were told they couldn't do it on the BIOS front, as they rarely do it for anyone.
I know of only one person they provide custom BIOS's for, and that is because he is an approved BETA tester and has a very close relationship with them.
The fact that they never pointed you straight to the option in BIOS is pretty poor though, although it should be detailed in the manual. Not sure what board you were using, but my last 2 Gigabyte boards have that in the manual.
I would still like to see anyone even get a response out of Asus as it's not just me that has this problem with them, it is well documented.
BTW I'm not knocking Asus, as I think they do make amongst the best boards ever made.
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26. February 2008 @ 17:09 |
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Asus have been useless for tech support, and their website download speed is a joke.
NZXT support is a bit naff via the official channels, but fortunately if you post on the forums you can usually get something done if you live in the US. Elsewhere though, and you won't get far. Nonetheless though their products are superb so I don't knock them, and to be fair cases don't usually go wrong as such...
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26. February 2008 @ 17:14 |
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I like several boards/brands for different things. I dont usually stay with ASUS for my nVidia and AMD needs, I ove DFI for them.
I am still tempted to try the X38-DQ6 of my own on DDR2 (the non T version). have they gotten past the buggy loss of profile settings inharient of the past few Dq-6 and even my DS3R. My DQ6 often just slugged during an occassional restart and often required hard reset and then reset of profile settings. I hope they fixed this cause it was very annoying, even happened on certain resume from S4 (since S3 hardly worked) wich required going through POST. Oh ya, I hear they did something to zero (fix to load line) the vedroop under load. does it work?
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ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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26. February 2008 @ 17:16 |
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Originally posted by NuckNFuts:
@ BigDK, See, I'm not the only one who likes or is willing to but a flag ship mobo. And you say yourself, you're waiting for the next top end GPU. So we'll come oout spending the same, ewven if I decide to go ATI. $300.00 mobo + $500.00 GPU
What I have seen however is there seem to be more issues with the Asus X38 boards than the Gigabyte ones, again you have to take all reports with a pinch of salt and go by your own experience.
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What I have seen however is there seem to be more issues with the Asus X38 boards than the Gigabyte ones, again you have to take all reports with a pinch of salt and go by your own experience.
Exactly. However if one reads on, you'll see that almost 99% of the common issues are solved with help from experienced users. And only a 1~2% of issues are of big concers (usually BIOS adjustments wanted). The P5E & MAXIMUS FORMULA are not for the average peep who has no intention of OC'n too far or no patients to read or learn. For all others coming from privious ASUS "Flag Ships", the transition is easier and if you tune it with a lil' effort, it is a wonderfull board for glitch free daily use
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Now I find it hard to believe that a single nVidia can beat out a dual ATI (current tech) on the X38 or P35 (P965/!975X maybe a run for their money)? I see a lot of synthetic benches and most optimized for AMD and of corse nVidia. Now I'm not a gamer, but for what real world little gaming I do and modest gaming my brother does, It's a fair tie if you stick to games. However, move to HD/BD DVD, and ATI begins to shine for even the average viewer (you won't need bench #s to see it).
Just My Experience
I have no clue what the stats are for a 3870 x2 vs an 8800GTX.
As far as benching goes, I do it when I first get kit to see what I can score, I know I'll never be top of any charts as I don't use IRam and don't use LN or DIce.
I wouldn't have changed from my 7900GTX if I hadn't changed to a 30" screen, but having done so, that card just wasn't up to the job.
This 8800 handles things fine so far, but it won't be long until it struggles without turning everything down (which I don't want to do)
I probably wouldn't have chosen to get the X38 board when I did if I hadn't fried my P5B deluxe, as that death and the release corresponded, that how that decision was made.
Spending most of my tweaking time ATM playing with the memory.
I've just got another set of Ballistix 8500 (tracer this time) and it seems to be even better than either set of Dominator I use.
I can't believe that the 8500 Tracers are now available for just £50 inc vat now (there?s no excuse for slow memory any more)
Currently set at 1200 5-6-6-16, with CPU set to 450x8 FSB 1800.
All fully stable so far and I know there?s still some more tweaking to do before I reach the edge of stability.
Still trying to get past 480 FSB, as that is causing issues at present, I may have to try another BIOS F3 was good, I'm using F7 ATM and it seems to give a pretty good balance.
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26. February 2008 @ 17:26 |
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Currently set at 1200 5-6-6-16
Those Ballistics are some awsome RAM, arn't they. What VDIMM are you using for that timing and spd? I can hold 5-5-5-15 but at close to 2.3v. I'll try to loosen mine for less VDIMM and see how she does.
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ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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26. February 2008 @ 18:00 |
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the only problem i had with my 667 balistix were the failure rate on them. 4 stick, 3 fail after oc...albeit to over 850mhz :)... but all replaced within 48hours :O
superb custom service.
form the benches i have seen SLI 9600GTs are beating the x2s, and cost cheaper :D. they are superb cards.
now its your choice. save space, and stop yourself from getting a nvidia mobo, for a little less performance, or use the sapce, as that is why you bought the damed case :P, and shell out for an expensive 680 or 780 or 790 mobo.
the 9800GTX have been 3dmarked, and GPUz shows a 25mhz core over the GTS, and 1100 on mem, and over 1600 on shaders......
AN OVER CLOCKED GTS, (with same cooler >-( )
WHAT ARE THEY DOING. they are re-badging G92 cores, OCing them, and the expect us to pay $599 for them...... no way. this is a 2006 architecture still being used, just milked. i hope the r700s will be giving them a run for their money. also they have 256-bit interface...a bit low no, but then the mem speed makes up for it.
the r700s are the same IICR. 256bit interface, but at least the have double the shaders from 320, to 640. but it looks like ati are doing the same, just beefing it up, no architecture revolution, like the 7series to 8 series.
cant wait for the NEXT NEXT series, to hopefully be PROPER stuff.
nehlam looks promising, but is tooted to run very hot, even with its 32nm proccesing. and the 10.5 k chips from amd are looking to be about only 10-20% slower per clock. not bad at all, if they can OC better than intel, we have a war on hand, good for the consumers :D cos of price.
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26. February 2008 @ 18:04 |
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Originally posted by BigDK:
I wouldn't have changed from my 7900GTX if I hadn't changed to a 30" screen, but having done so, that card just wasn't up to the job.
I know the feeling, I wouldn't have changed my GPU this early either!
Shaff: As of now, ATi have no research funding since AMD can't afford it. Since they can't put out a brand new product to raise the performance stakes, they can only milk their existing architecture. nVidia only need do the same to stay ahead. Why spend millions on a new product when you're still selling more cards than your rival using outdated tech with no threat of being overthrown?
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26. February 2008 @ 18:10 |
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What's this about being stuck on CrossFire? I am told you can just disable Multi GPU in ATI Control pannel. I do see the setting but never bothered to do it. It is an ATI driver feature, not the mobo or card itself. This can be done just like turning off SLI on nVidia to run multi monitors again for media and presentation work.
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26. February 2008 @ 18:39 |
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We knew that (or I think we all did) but what we were discussing is if you can do it with the HD3870X2 since it's a single card.
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26. February 2008 @ 18:47 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
We knew that (or I think we all did) but what we were discussing is if you can do it with the HD3870X2 since it's a single card.
im sure that with the x2 crosfire is disabled, via grye box, thats untickable. shows that its a single card, and doesnt need xfire to be on, as internal xifre is.
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26. February 2008 @ 19:11 |
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Sorry, I don't follow...
I meant can you disable one half of the single card...
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26. February 2008 @ 19:50 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Sorry, I don't follow...
I meant can you disable one half of the single card...
no. thats would be liek disabling your entire x1900xt the Cat picks it up as ONE gfx, therefore you would have to disable the whole thing
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