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17. July 2010 @ 09:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
um, took it off, it didn't go back. Not yet found a keyboard where you can put the spacebar back and it still work :S



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@Shaff

Was about to say that myself but didn't get a chance to write a reply before XD Yeah I remove every key from my keyboard a few times a year for a full cleaning and I have no issues. Sure it's not spectacular quality but it is built decently.

@Sam

Also both of my Eclipse Is can have the space bar removed as well. Never even realized an issue was possible. There are little wire bars that slot-in to keep it level, but those also just come out and slide back into place without a single issue in the 4 years since I've owned my original Eclipse Red.



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sam, i've had no problems with spacebars either & that is stripping the keyboard down to component level then washing all the keys & casing before re-assembly.
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reading more and more about the GTX260, more and more i like it. low power consumption, easily beatst he 5830 and ver very close tot he 5850 in alot of games. SLI aswell basically raped the GTX480 by 20% MOST of the time. very good price. ATI need price drops on the 5850 and 5830, and most likely the 5770.

very tempting buy, and it'd be nice personalyl to use nvidia again after the 7800GT was my last time. just dont think i will upgrade till sandybridge/bulldozer though.



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Depends on the benches you read. Excluding the most biased games, it's universally inferior (though only slightly) to the HD5830 which is 30 quid cheaper. The 768MB is cheaper but slower still, ignoring the memory limitations, so it can onlg compete with the HD5770, which is again 30 pounds less. Better power efficiency, less noise and decent temps, it'd the best try from nvidia, but it's not competitive enough to warrant an ATI price drop yet.



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A lot of the TPU benches are mostly old games, and not really relevant.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/99...-company-2.html
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/99...s-predator.html
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/99...-total-war.html
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19242/7
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphic...s-card-review/8

With the exception of DiRT 2, which has become an unusual testing anomaly (hence being part of nvidia's test suite), almost all the games that have minor or no bias place the HD5830 and GTX460 1GB on equals at best, with the 1GB often falling slightly short, and the 768MB falling quite a way short. Many games come out now with as much as a 50-70% bias to nvidia cards such as Borderlands which barely even opens on ATI graphics cards (an 8600GTS can take on an HD4890 quite handily) with sometimes a 200% bias to nvidia.
Metro 2033 max quality tests are void due to modified quality output on nvidia cards, which leaves AvP, a pretty heftily biased game, yet the 460 fails to pull a huge lead in it. Were the GTX460 priced identically to the HD5830, I'd say it'd be about an even competition. With its current hefty price premium, however, it does not impress me greatly as a card, even though it's fixed all but one of Fermi's problems.



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18. July 2010 @ 16:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Damn! With the 210 on the very bottom. Now I really feel stupid...



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Well, we've said it several times already, the G210 is the poorest performing discrete card compared to the rest of its generation there's been for several years.



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It won't even run San Andreas maxed. Close, but not quite. It runs at a 1680 x 1050 resolution. Without hiccup! I'm actually wondering if the game or another driver detects the overscan, and won't allow the 1920 x 1080 max resolution...
It was just too risky to go with ati, given the chipset doesn't mesh well. And it seemed illogical at the time, to buy an nvidia in the 8 or 9000 series. Not very good deduction I realize now. But Hdmi was also an important factor.
Hopefully I'll make better decisions in the future :S



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18. July 2010 @ 16:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well no ones going to be buying a 5830-GTX460 for the very newest games which cant be run no matter what.


plus take a look at bittechs BC2 bench, bar 2560 where these cards wont be used, the 5850 only wins once, out of 4 times.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphic...-card-review/10


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Elsewhere, it will be interesting to see how (if at all) AMD respond to the launch of the GTX 460. They still have the upper-hand at performance-per-watt, and with just how similar the GTX 460 and the Radeon 5850 are in terms of die size and power consumption there?s clearly some flexibility on their part to change things. The Radeon 5830 must come down in price or go away entirely, it?s what happens to the 5850 that?s the question. We?ve seen the GTX 460 lock horns with the 5850, and while the 5850 is undoubtedly the faster gaming card the $300 price point no longer makes as much sense as it once did with a $230 1GB GTX 460 below it. AMD either needs a 5840, or a price drop on the 5850 to bring its price more in line with its performance.




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18. July 2010 @ 16:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Anand are still not on my trustworthy list.
I'm currently preparing a large statistical price-point analysis of the cards using several websites that I do trust, at least mostly. This includes Bit-Tech, Techreport and DriverHeaven. I can't include HardOCP despite trusting them, as the scope of their tests are not broad enough to allow detailed analysis.
For what it's worth though Shaff, I agree with you. The HD5850 should now ideally have a small price drop. The performance/price gap between the 5800s (5830 now excluding thankfully) and the mainstream sector of the 5000 series is just too great.

Omega: ATI cards don't really clash with nvidia chipsets that much, nvidia chipsets just don't function properly regardless of which graphics card you use.



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Yes well, it is the smoothest board I've used to date :p Perhaps you're right though. But perhaps it was designed to be biased. Or maybe the warning in the manual about Ati cards was to boost nvidia sales. I guess I'll never know. It is merely an HTPC. An outdated one at that. Perhaps I should treat it as such ;)



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I've had two nforce chipset boards, and prior to their premature demise (for which I blame Asus, not even nforce chipsets fail that fast), the ATI card was fine in both.



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18. July 2010 @ 17:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102884

wel against my better judgment im looking at this costly card. how does it rate with all you guru's would you have one?
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It's Sapphire non-reference. Given the number of those that fail it's probably not a good idea. I'd say go with this one instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477

Do you need an HD5850 for your system? They're quite powerful cards.



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18. July 2010 @ 18:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
no i dont need one that big but if im gonna pay $200 for a 5770 why not shell out another 100 and get more card?

honestly the 5770 will prolly be more than enough..lol no it will be more than enough.

was looking at and liking the gtx260. that would probably be plenty for me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...0-482-_-Product

but there is a big difference in the clock core speed. how much of this will effect encoding and such

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I found this interesting!
Originally posted by Firingsquad.com:
NVIDIA manufactures all of the cards for their partners (board production is usually farmed out by NVIDIA to Flextronics or Foxconn), so all GTX 260 and 280 cards come off the same production line regardless of the card manufacturer.

NVIDIA does this to ensure a consistent level of quality across the line. Board partners are free to go beyond the stock clock speeds, but other than this, no modifications to the reference design are allowed.

Because of this policy, when you?re determining which GeForce GTX 260 card you should purchase, the hardware itself isn?t as important as other factors such as price, game bundle, warranty/support, and the clock speeds of the card(s) you?re interested in purchasing. It?s in these categories that the XFX GeForce GTX 260 Black Edition really excels.
But alas...My 260 is becoming old news :(



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The GTX260 is not really any better than the HD5770 really, and it doesn't have DX11, along with using a considerable amount of power.
It's also recertified, so it's a repaired warranty return card, these are typically less reliable than normal cards, and given EVGA had a spate of dead cards a while back, it's not worth the risk.
Also, HD5770s aren't $200.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...1-338-_-Product



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is this xfx any better than the HIS?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcom...7^14-150-447-TS
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I would say that you're buying XFX's name, if you buy their card ;) The cards merely have different names on them.

As well as buying their warranty ;)



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Rob: Not really. It might be slightly quieter due to having a better cooler, but apart from that, the $25 doesn't really get you much. HIS are a reasonable brand, but if you want guaranteed reliability, the XFX is probably a safer bet.
Omega: Not all cards are alike. The HIS is non-reference which means HIS have built it. The XFX is reference, which means ATI have built it. This usually ensures a higher quality standard, but HIS are usually pretty solid.



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how are they in the temp ranges? do they tend to run hot.
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Not especially, typical temps for reference 5770s are in the 70s or so, a good 30C below the danger zone.



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19. July 2010 @ 03:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Just for the record both of my 5850s are Sapphire reference. Never had an issue with Sapphire as long as it's reference...

I dunno anymore about Nvidia vs ATi. Value vs performance whatever it doesn't matter. Nvidia cards basically have a deathclock on them these days so you're essentially buying a product guaranteed to fail just because of how they made it.



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