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The Official Graphics Card and PC gaming Thread
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25. July 2010 @ 19:41 |
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Lol, well excluding needless £100 mice then :P
Seriously though, what a farse. I can't imagine a situation where more precision is required than my 1600dpi Diamondback offers.
Cheap HD5870. As crazy as it sounds though, for a short-medium term upgrade I'd probaby sooner take this:
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Othe...productId=40734
Non-reference designs do seem a bit of risk, and the reference designs are more trustworthy. Where you lose out with a raw OEM card of course is nothing beyond a 1 year retail warranty, so for longer term the HIS is a better option.
I'd want a user opinion on that cooler before I parted with the cash though, aftermarket coolers are rarely quieter than the stock ones with the HD5 series.
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This looks like a solid buy:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc...=56&subcat=1502
or indeed the XFX at a similar price:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc...=56&subcat=1502
One wonders how OcUK are posting such discounts on the 5870s. I'm suspicious :P Then again, with OcUK, there's plenty to be suspicious about!
Interesting to see the 4GB HD5970 from Sapphire still on sale. I wonder how many are just untested warranty returns :P Looks like Asus presumably justify the £420 price premium over the Sapphire card by selling working ones!
The overall hardware reliability of the HD5 series in general is pretty low though, something I'm hoping improves with the 6 series.
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25. July 2010 @ 20:19 |
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they just re-hired the main ecommerse guy, and hes now working directly under the boss. he quit OcUK, joined nova last year, bought over free delivery, them joined aria, did the same (yes aria free delivery via their forums), and now has rejoined OcUK, and on his first day has delivered some insane deals (while stocks last, so knowing OcUK we shall see wtf that means as they have shows stock when there isnt).
aparently a big change now, and they are looking to be best in the UK for prices on most major items, and one can (apparently) email him if a competitor has a higher price and he will lower it.
who knows how long this honeymoon lasts, once again knowing OcUK, but if they have changed, good, but most likely its just a temporary high.
yeah, im waiting for the 6 series/ next nvidia series. though i assume from nvidia its gonna be refreshing the GTX480/70 with GF104 chips, and with ATI it'll have been the refresher cards, just changed enough to be names 6 series, as 28nm wont be out.
then again roll mainstream bulldozer/sandy bridge and hopefully that will have changed. might be a newer DX verison, if only a .1 increase?
but i think my main focus is storage currently. quicky running out, down to my last couple hundred GBs, and with 2TBs hitting under £80, its hard not to jump at them. that and SSDs. really want to get the crucial C300 64GB SSD, but then i think of holding out till G3 intels, and its hard to.
doesnt help that i want to buy a new phone, seemingly im getting bored of phones rather quickly :p
damn i wish i had a job.
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25. July 2010 @ 20:37 |
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One man couldn't begin to solve the management woodworm that OcUK used to have, here's hoping that the rest of the company has improved in the last couple of years. Until seeing this, there hasn't really been a saving at OcUK big enough to warrant the gamble of buying from them.
I don't think DX11 is getting the patch DX10 did, it seems to be designed a bit better from the beginning. The HD6 series will just be a refresh of the 5 series with improved clock speeds and what have you. Market analysts have extrapolated it to apparently represent a 35% bonus over the GTX480, and thus a 45% bonus over the HD5870. Pure conjecture, but the '6%' difference from the GTX480 to the HD5870 was pretty much bang on, so who knows, it could prove accurate.
All I see from nvidia in the pipeline is stuff like a GTS450 and the rest of the filler material, along with a full 512 SP GTX485 with a 320W TDP, no doubt at a ludicrous price.
As for SSDs, I really don't see the need for a high-end one given how little will fit on them, two X25-Vs seem a far better deal to me than an X25-M, which in turn is a better deal than the new Sandforce drives, fast or not.
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25. July 2010 @ 20:51 |
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well ideally i would like an 80GB-100GB for boot and 120-160 for games. But a games ssd isn't that important as a boot drive, so tbh i would be happy with smal one.
im very much contemplating buying a used mac or a culv laptop(for hackintosh) aswell. Don't know why, just want to give macos a go about.
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26. July 2010 @ 00:55 |
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Wow, shaff, a hackintosh? What a coincidence!
Two weeks ago, my brother was asking me about a Hackintosh he saw on Craigs List - he wrote the guy - we pulled up the parts on newegg and the guy wasn't making any money. He was running the Mac OS, and dual booting also to Windows 7 - an i7 930 - about $1600 total tower only here in So California. My brother is a Mac guy from way back! (And I see that Valve now ports their games to Mac as of recent - I thought that was a very interesting change from Gabe Newell's former - "we don't do Mac" - position.)
Other than the Hackintosh he was thinking about buying, three nights ago I helped him take his G5 apart to fix a strange fan noise that had been driving him nuts for the last couple of months. Finally I came in where he was watching the new 47" Toshiba, and told him it was the power supply fans. He said "You mean in addition to the 7 fans we already found and tested, there's even more fans in that thing?"
We pulled the power supply out of the base - a big solid metal thing that fit neatly into the entire G5 base - 450 watts - and blew it out. Giants wads of dust came out of that thing - he's had it 6 years. It has two 50-60mm (or so) fans on the end - I guess one of the two fans was stuck, causing the other to cycle strangely - we were able to replicate the noise by blocking either fan.
Now my brother thinks I'm a computer building genius :P (thanks to all my tinkering with my P4) and he tells me that all the ills that he was afflicted with - bad performance - things taking longer - strange stuff - have all disappeared and it is solid again, so he'll put off any new Mac or Hackintosh purchase for a while. (I guess the power supply was over-heating and the voltages weren't steady - does that sound right to you guys?)
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As far as I'm aware, there is no such thing as an HD3830.
Haha. Thanks for keeping me honest, Sam. The card is a HD3650 - about half the power of my HD3850. I just knew one digit was 2 below my 3850 = 3830, whoops :D
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My i5 runs at 4116 24/7, same as my 3dmark setting. The voltage needed to do it is so low, and it's so stable, there's no reason to lower it.
I find that amazing! Way to go!
And as regards your 1600 dpi razer, and Jeff's 2000 dpi Habu - you say Sam that it is game-dependent - but do you ever find yourself having to tinker with mouse sensitivity from time to time to get the right balance per the game you're on?
Hmmmm - Jeff had some interesting stuff to say about that.
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It basically works well for all situations. I keep it at 2000DPI at all times which works for everything from mid range shootouts to short range knife fights. I only turn down the DPI to 800 when I am using the sniper rifles which is not very often
How do you turn it down - is it a one-button adjustment?
And Red is playing with CRAZY dpi:
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I find DPI really depends on how you use the mouse. Back when I was playing BC2 I was sniping successfully at around 5600dpi, although it takes a real toll on your wrist. I managed to give myself carpel tunnel inside two weeks :(
Hahaha! Sorry to laugh. I have had to rig a cushion for my keyboard wrist - then a rag taped to the table with the cushion cut off the mouse pad - full-on carpal tunnel myself on both hands from those up-all-night 12-16 hour non-stop in-the-zone playing sprees I would get on! I was playing until I could barely make my arms even work at all - my fingers almost paralyzed! Hahahaha! I had to join FPS Anonymous like Shaff did :P I know what you mean!
More Jeff regarding my 3850:
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That Pentium 4 is choking it down so bad it's not even funny. Stop overclocking it because you're going to destroy it, cooler or not. The only way you're going to have any sort of substantial performance improvement is with a new CPU.
Yeah, you're right of course.
I haven't been using my rig much - trying to get back in the rhythm of phone calls and selling houses, and also, my Valve animator family member DID mention a few months ago about maybe giving me a couple of towers that are clogging up his garage - one of them a 9450 (or did he say 9550 - I can't remember) so if he actually DID do that - that would change everything - I would probably even then pick up a 5850. I have only been over to his house once since then, for a birthday party, but I plan to start getting over there a little bit more, and maybe he'll think about reducing his garage "clutter" again, lol.
Originally posted by Omega:
Eh...I'm just not into playing online. At least with games like that. Perhaps If I got really good, and knew the game well enough though. I'm highly self conscious. I can't help but wonder what people think of me 90% of the day. Not a way to live I know :p
Haha. I know what you mean. When I first got on Counter Strike I was getting raped so bad - I never even knew how I got killed. I got Condition Zero to play offline and get my skills up. That was quite a while ago - that's when I stopped selling homes - all I did is shoot people - fps fps fps! I will never be close to Shaff's skill level, but I got halfway decent finally.
But I bet that you are better than you think you are - you've had a good bit of off-line practice. But it doesn't matter - even if you're majorly bad, that just gives you lots of room for improvement!
Remember Kevin, you can always choose your skill level and play with other players at that same skill level - start out with easy or normal. You have no idea how much the team chatting, with real players, adds to the game.
Also, to start with, you can create a new steam ID to use, which nobody will know - in your steam account just give yourself some random name that you will eventually change when you emerge with more confidence in your skill level - no matter how badly you think you are doing, so what? - you are totally anonymous. Call yourself "Newbie_is_me." Make a joke about it. I've played with some guys who had those kinds of "newb" names, who were killing everybody! They just never changed their name as their skill level rose.
Also, Kevin, keep in mind, no matter how badly you played, it would be impossible for you to inspire the wrath from your teammates that is reserved for "griefers" - guys who go online for the sole purpose of killing their own teammates.
Anyway, if you ever want to try on-line on Left 4 Dead, I'll have you jump in with me on a team - I'll take care of you (and I will be majorly rusty - I haven't touched it for four months!) But I'll help you pick up the basics of avoiding friendly fire, and of knowing how to choose good defensive positions as you advance through the map. So let me ask you, do you have a microphone?
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26. July 2010 @ 07:45 |
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Shaff: Most games tend to show about a 1 second improvement from using an SSD over a normal high speed mechanical drive. Doesn't seem worth it for me. A few games I would want putting on there are stuff like RCT3, which reads many thousands of files and takes ages to load, that would benefit from an SSD.
You can run hackintosh on PC hardware you realise?
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And as regards your 1600 dpi razer, and Jeff's 2000 dpi Habu - you say Sam that it is game-dependent - but do you ever find yourself having to tinker with mouse sensitivity from time to time to get the right balance per the game you're on?
Rarely, I don't require an exact sensitivity to play a particular game, I only need to adjust game sensitivity if the default is way off.
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26. July 2010 @ 08:04 |
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really? had no idea it was that small! well then less spenditure for me. would it not help alt tabbing or is that just more ram?
i realise that, thats why i want a culv laptop. i want it in portable form, so i can use it on the sofa, or when im lounging. if imma go on the PC i wouldnt want to boot up anything but windows. if i dab into linux, itd be a lappy/netbook aswell.
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26. July 2010 @ 08:13 |
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Alt-tabbing is pretty much entirely RAM amount, CPU speed and game code. Many games alt-tab instantly, even quite high-end ones, whereas others (particularly valve games) take forever, with no real sign of activity from the PC. More RAM helps, but unless you're nearly completely out of RAM and paging, I don't think an SSD will help much there either.
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26. July 2010 @ 13:17 |
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Yes, I have a mic. If you consider my defective one LOL! Doesn't work right. Can't afford a new one either. Least of my worries right now too. I gotta get my car in the shop and have the transmission flushed ASAP! Metallic Particulates in the fluid are causing the Vehicle Speed Sensor to foul up, since the sensor is in direct contact with the fluid ;) The speed sensor is vital in this particular vehicle. It assists the computer brain (ECM) with shifting and what not. When it fouls up, every thing's fouled up LOL!
Shame about the mic too. I loved speaking to my computer :( Dragon naturally speaking is wonderful. For english people anyway. Its generally ready to go after install, and a couple voice exercises. Windows 7 has a built in appy that's highly similar though. Supposedly, it can adapt to any language. It simply needs to learn your speech style.
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26. July 2010 @ 13:31 |
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For American english people. More difficult with british accents I found.
Also, my microphone was £6, which is less than $10, just saying... :P
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26. July 2010 @ 13:45 |
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It's my excuse and I'm sticking with it LOL!
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26. July 2010 @ 15:53 |
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How do you turn it down - is it a one-button adjustment?
Yep there are two buttons just below the scroll wheel. One turns the DPI up and one turns it down. Not software controlled either. It changes the setting right in the firmware of the mouse.
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And as regards your 1600 dpi razer, and Jeff's 2000 dpi Habu - you say Sam that it is game-dependent - but do you ever find yourself having to tinker with mouse sensitivity from time to time to get the right balance per the game you're on?
Well usually I turn the sensitivity in-game right down. It's usually there to make up for gamers with slower mice. Turning the setting all the way down in the game basically makes it full hardware so it depends entirely on the DPI of the mouse itself. A few games actually have the default sensitivity right in the middle so I leave them at stock. Like Sam says I usually leave it unless it feels way off from my desktop sensitivity.
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As far as SSDs go the only actual game I think can benefit is Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion. To add mods you need to uncompress the entire game's data folders which takes it from about 6GB in 7 or 8 files to about 9GB in thousands and thousands of little files. When my virus scan runs it literally spends half the time scanning in my Oblivion folder due to the sheer number of small files. Even with my current rig it hitches like mad in outdoors areas. Already pretty much confirmed that if I had an SSD it would be almost hitch-free. Mind you this is one of the worst games for hitching and loading pauses in history.
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A game, if sufficiently badly coded, will lag on any storage hardware, as if it has to stop to load, unless that loading process can be sped up to many thousands of times its current rate, there'll still be a dropped frame.
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Well Oblivion responds extraordinarily well to SSDs as shown by a friend who got one recently. Of course, it will probably never be hitch-free, but it can be gotten quite close. And considering every object in the game has some sort of stats or interactive qualities, I think the game is quite decently coded. Consider I first played it on An X2 4400+ at 2.6GHz and an X1800XT and the only thing to really improve has been the amount of AA I can use. Hitching has only gotten better as I have found a few tools that control the memory loading plus my myriad of CVAR tweaks. For me it is a game well worth tweaking. As seen in Fallout 3 they severely underused the power of the engine and missed out on the graphics and optimization sweetspot. Fully modded out, Oblivion is breathtakingly beautiful and challenges even brand new games. The weakest point was the textures. I now have added about 4GB of textures myself and the game looks amazing. And this is without any fundamental changes to the engine. Just better textures.
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26. July 2010 @ 17:26 |
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Then it's a well coded engine, but a badly designed configurator :P
Made a little rough estimation chart for CPUs
P4 Northwood 3000: 3000
P4 Prescott 3000: 2800
Athlon XP 3000+ [2.16Ghz]: 2800
Athlon 64 3500+ [2.2 Ghz]: 3500
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ [2.2Ghz]: 3500 x2
Pentium D 930 [3.0 Ghz]: 2800 x2
Core 2 Duo E4300 [1.8Ghz]: 3200 x2
Core 2 Duo E6300 [1.86Ghz]: 3500 x2
Core 2 Quad Q6600 [2.4Ghz]: 4500 x4
Phenom X4 9950 [2.6Ghz]: 4400 x4
Phenom II X4 955 [3.2Ghz]: 6100 x4
Core 2 Quad Q9550 [2.83Ghz]: 6100 x4
Phenom II X6 1090T [3.2Ghz]: 6200 x6
Core i7 920 [2.66Ghz]: 6800 x4
Core i5 750 [2.66Ghz]: 6900 x4
Core 2 Duo E8600 [3.33Ghz]: 7200 x2
Core i7 980X [3.33Ghz]: 8600 x6
So as you see, Rich's CPU fares up to CPUs I've had, and the one Jeff has roughly like this:
Athlon XP 3000+ @ 2.16Ghz: 2800 x1
P4 Prescott @ 3.8Ghz: 3600 x1
Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3.15Ghz: 5600 x2
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.24Ghz: 6100 x4
Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz: 7300 x4
Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.7Ghz: 7100 x4
Core i5 750 @ 4.12Ghz: 10600 x4
The i5 I use, which cost all of £150 to buy, is three times Rich's P4 per-core, so 12 times as powerful. That really makes a difference.
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26. July 2010 @ 20:41 |
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Wow, that cpu chart was beautiful:
Originally posted by sam:
So as you see, Rich's CPU fares up to CPUs I've had, and the one Jeff has roughly like this:
Athlon XP 3000+ @ 2.16Ghz: 2800 x1
P4 Prescott @ 3.8Ghz: 3600 x1
Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 3.15Ghz: 5600 x2
Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.24Ghz: 6100 x4
Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz: 7300 x4
Phenom II X4 940 @ 3.7Ghz: 7100 x4
Core i5 750 @ 4.12Ghz: 10600 x4
The i5 I use, which cost all of £150 to buy, is three times Rich's P4 per-core, so 12 times as powerful. That really makes a difference.
Hmmmmm! (Why does this discussion remind me of Kevin's transmission? I swear, you guys, if Miles gives me that 9450/9550 whichever one it is, I'm gonna quick like a bunny jump from 6,000 to 15,000 3dmark6 points as soon as I add in a 5000 board, and then I'll start participating in some of these new games.)
The most modern processor around right now where I live, is my brother's phenom one. (He bought it without asking me, and realized quickly later that he should have gotten the phenom II.)
I ran a little mkv to avi converter, on all my computers, as a single-threaded benchmark. My p4 runs the program about 30% faster with hyperthreading turned off, which tells me it's single-threaded - correct me if I'm wrong. Factoring in the much slower speed of the phenom, at about 2.4 ghz, versus my 3.99 ghz p4, and the fact that the phenom is quite a bit faster on the conversion, it seems as though the phenom has a clock for clock 2.2X advantage over the p4.
Sam, from your computer chart, I see you're rating the i7 same as the i5 clock for clock. Do you see any advantage at all of the i7 over your i5 for gaming?
The i7 has hyperthreading, and I think your i5 does not, as I recall, but for gaming we know that's not an advantage. What about pci-e express lanes? Wasn't there a compromise on the i5 where you can't have two 16x graphics card lanes simultaneously? If so, do you see that ever holding you back with generation 6 or maybe with 2012 generation 7 ati boards on a smaller die?
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Omega: Yes, I have a mic. If you consider my defective one LOL! Doesn't work right. Can't afford a new one either. Least of my worries right now too. I gotta get my car in the shop and have the transmission flushed ASAP!
Sam: For American english people. More difficult with british accents I found. Also, my microphone was £6, which is less than $10, just saying... :P
Omega: It's my excuse and I'm sticking with it LOL!
Hahahaha! Sounds like I'm not gonna entice you yet, Kevin, come on dude, you're missin out! The transmission story was pretty good though, I'll give you that! LOL
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Actually a Q9550 moderately overclocked with a 5800 would be quite close to 20k in 06. With the 3850 though you're looking at around the 9-10k mark I'd imagine.
Different programs are biased pro/con Intel or AMD in that sort of arena, so you can never get fully accurate results, but as terrible as the Phenom is, it's still faster than your P4 by quite a margin, as you see there.
The i7 has no advantage whatsoever over the i5 for games, other than 32x PCIe versus 16x. Given that even with two dual 5870 cards that's going to hold you back less than 10% in all but a couple of rare titles, it's not a big issue. Later on it may become one, but since the HD6 won't be a big quantum leap, there's no danger of 16x becoming inadequate yet. PCIe3 will be out by the time it's a big issue.
I'm also going to be consolidating to two GPUs in the future, so it'll be no issue at all, 8x is indistinguishable from 16x to any GPU in any game right now.
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26. July 2010 @ 22:07 |
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Originally posted by sam:
The i7 has no advantage whatsoever over the i5 for games, other than 32x PCIe versus 16x. Given that even with two dual 5870 cards that's going to hold you back less than 10% in all but a couple of rare titles, it's not a big issue. Later on it may become one, but since the HD6 won't be a big quantum leap, there's no danger of 16x becoming inadequate yet. PCIe3 will be out by the time it's a big issue.
Hmmmm. Well, sounds like you'll stick with that i5 for the forseeable future then - will it carry forward to pcie3? Or am I talking so far out, with HD7 in 2012-13, that we might as well assume new mobo, new cpu, and new gpu cards.
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Actually a Q9550 moderately overclocked with a 5800 would be quite close to 20k in 06. With the 3850 though you're looking at around the 9-10k mark I'd imagine.
I can't carry my 3850 forward - it's an agp board.
Wow, 20,000 sounds outstanding! I'd be like a kid in a candy store! I'd be like omega with a flushed transmission and dragon speaking naturally working again, lol. I'd be like shaff with a hackintosh laptop and top rank once more on xfire! :P
I could actually finish the rain chapter in Hells Highway! For now I'm gonna assume 9440 (was there a cache difference for 9550 or just clock speed?)
Miles said something about an nvidia card in the 9450 - I think it was some kind of 8800 - does that mean the 9450 is sitting on an nvidia chipset motherboard?
When he said "give" it to me, he actually said "loan" cause he doesn't know if -v- will ask for it back one day, so I can't mod it beyond much more than throwing a new gpu card in there. I probably shouldn't try to overclock the 9450 - unless I'm ready to replace it if I burn it up. Well, I guess as long as I don't rape the case to install a fan the way I did with my p4 case, I could unchange back to stock pretty easily if he needs it back.
He's got another tower for me - earlier hardware - he has no idea what - probably a core two duo dual E5200 or some such - that would be a big improvement also. I told him I'd find room for any hardware he wanted to move out of his garage, lol.
Then shaff could finally stop bit**ing at me about upgrading. Or maybe I should say, Shaff, and Sam, and Jeff, and ddp - no ddp hasn't said anything yet. He'll be next. "Rich I'm gonna ban you if you don't get rid of that p4 by the end of the year!" So next year, even though I don't have it yet, I'll have to start lying about how great the 9450 is, and then you guys will ask me how I liked the ending of Hells Highway, and I won't know what to say - then soon after that I'll be in psychotherapy, with Kevin, discussing metallic flakes in our transmission fluid.
That was a sad ending. And all I ever wanted was 10,000 3dmark6 points. :P
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Right now there's no indication whether or not HD7 will use PCIe3. That tech is still very much in its infancy, so not sure when it will appear.
I'm well aware you can't move the 3850 AGP to a PCIe system, but I was saying just for comparison's sake to give you an idea about the 3850's capabilities as a whole.
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Miles said something about an nvidia card in the 9450 - I think it was some kind of 8800 - does that mean the 9450 is sitting on an nvidia chipset motherboard?
Not necessarily, that's no indication of the chipset used. You did need an nvidia chipset to use SLI with Core 2s, but you don't need one to run a single nvidia card, thankfully.
The E5200 is actually just as new, if not newer than the Q9450 is, it's just lower end. The E5200 may have been a budget chip, but I own one, they're quite potent, easily a competitor to the old E6700, and with the exception of the high power Phenom dual cores, as fast as anything AMD have to offer even now in the dual core sector.
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harvrdguy
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27. July 2010 @ 20:10 |
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Hah! I'm gonna be driving up there Monday to go see Inception with Miles - maybe he'll bring up the garage being clogged up!
Yeah, I'd be really happy with either tower. I KNOW that he doesn't have anything that goes back as far as P4, so whatever he has, I'll be miles ahead, no pun intended.
When I finally retire the p4 (under threat from ddp) I'll put it in the sunroom for anybody to use to replace the 400 mhz XP that's sitting there now - for 10x faster internet access. When I do that I plan to quiet the p4 down considerably - I'll pick up two more 120mm 800 rpm fdb fans to replace the 1600 rpms, and I'll put a throttle (that came with the V1000 3850 cooler) on the 1900rpm 120mm exhaust that I squeezed into the lower rear - no need for so much turbulence looking up movie showtimes, lol.
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29. July 2010 @ 18:50 |
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Still writing essays I see :p
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ddp
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29. July 2010 @ 21:23 |
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you can say that again as i did not threaten him. i'm innocent!!!!
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29. July 2010 @ 22:21 |
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Haha. I have so much to catch up on around here :(
Hey guys how good is the 330M in the MBPs?
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Red_Maw
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29. July 2010 @ 23:38 |
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Can some one explain to me why the reference 5850/5870 gpu's are touted as being the only non crap 5850/5870's? Maybe my standards are too low but try as I might I can't find anything bad to say about my sapphire 5850.
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30. July 2010 @ 01:24 |
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330M? I assume you mean the mobile GPU, it's an nvidia mobile chip, so it won't last very long before you'll need to RMA, but it's moderately powerful at least.
Maw: Every non-reference sapphire card i've had has been broken, every reference card i've had has been rock solid.
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