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27. June 2010 @ 05:05 |
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Nah, The Simpsons and Futurama are Matt Groening. Family Guy, American Dad and The Cleveland Show are Seth Macfarlane.
The robot is Bender, not Ender.
The three GPU idea is out for me at the moment, as I had a limited time window within which to buy an HD5 series card and sell the 4870X2s, before I would have to make a rent payment, and I'd no longer have the balance to pay for such a card up front. That time window has now expired. I would not be especially interested in any other solution until the price comes down anyway. Believe it or not, no graphics upgrade I have purchased since, well ever, has resulted in less than double the performance, Rage pro to GF4MX must have been a good 3-4 times, GF4 to 9200 must have been 3-4 times, 9200 to X800 would have been a good 4-5 times, X800 to X1900 would have been about double, X1900 to HD3870 would be about double, HD3870 to HD4870 a bit more than double, HD4870 to HD4870X2 double, one HD4870X2 to two is also double. So to see raw performance actually decline in an upgrade, when it's been the most costly upgrade so far (Highest prior was the X1900 at £327), nah, it just doesn't make sense.
On top of all this, I'm possibly going on a trip to florida for a fortnight in September, so I need to save quite a substantial sum for that.
Unless there's a substantial price drop in the HD5 series, for instance one that allows me to get two HD5970s at a net cost of £300 or less, I think I'll hold off for now. This would mean HD5970s would have to be £325-£375. Given that you do well to currently find one for £490, and nvidia have nothing interesting on the horizon, not going to happen.
The next leap in either price drops or higher performance will be with the next high-end part AMD produce, they're very much leading the pack at the moment. I have no confidence the low-end Fermi based parts from nvidia are going to heat up the low-end market either. They're direct cuts of Fermi, so they'll be just as expensive and inefficient. The only thing they have going for them is the GTX485, the 512 shader card the 480 was originally meant to be, apparently meant to launch with a similar price tag of the 480's original MSRP. Only a 3-4% increase in stock clock speeds though, and interestingly, that means it requires two 8-pin PCIe connectors, so its TDP must be over 300W. That is proof that the GTX480's stated TDP of 250W is in fact a lie, and the originally stated figures of 280W or 295W are more accurate. Given the thermal performance of the GTX480, I'm going to go with 295. The cooler is just as big on the 480 as it is on the 4870X2, but unlike the X2, is an uninterrupted block, with heatpipes, thus resulting in a bigger, more powerful cooler. Yet, at the same fan speed, GTX480 runs hotter. Since the 4870X2's TDP is 286W, this must mean that the 480 is above it. Either that or they use appalling thermal paste.
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27. June 2010 @ 06:31 |
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Ah thank you Xbit. All these benchmarks going around were giving the impression Aliens vs Predator was actually playable on full detail. Here's a benchmark that illustrates about how well the game ran for me:
With microstutter in play too, I was running the game at 800x600 all minimum, and it was smooth most of the time, but 1024x768 all minimum was too much, it lagged a bit.
WHAT THE ****.
Note that 2560x1600 requires more than 1GB of video memory, and even 1600x900 requires more than 896MB!
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30. June 2010 @ 11:53 |
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So it would appear I got scammed by two companies, not just Sapphire for the dud 5970s, but also CCL that sold them. After wondering where my refund was that was authorised a week ago they told me "oh, it was authorised today". Coincidence? I'm not entirely sure. Not impressed. So much for planning to shop there more often.
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1. July 2010 @ 10:06 |
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Transformers: War for Cybertron [Game engine capped at 30fps] [AA excluded]
Minimal: Radeon X800XT/X1800 series/HD2600XT/HD3650/HD4550/HD5450 or above, Geforce 6800GT/7600GT/8600GT/9500GT/GT220 or above
Reduced: Radeon X1900XT/HD2900 series/HD3690/HD4650/HD5570 or above, Geforce 7900GT/8600GTS/9500GT/GT220 or above
Moderate: Radeon HD4700 series/HD5700 series or above, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GT240 or above
Good M30: Radeon HD4750/HD4850/HD5700 series or above, Geforce 8800GT/9800GT/GTS250 or above
Optimal M30: Radeon HD4860/HD5770 or above, Geforce GTS250 or above
Extreme M30: Radeon HD4850X2/HD5830 or above, Geforce GTX275 (not GTX280) or above
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2. July 2010 @ 06:12 |
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Just a heads up. The latest patch for Bad Company 2 came out yesterday. Was apparently supposed to be here last week Wednesday.
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/bc2-p...ver-r12-qa.html
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The client update will be roughly 500MB in size.
Changelog:
Server - Some potential sources for lag/rubberbanding have been eliminated
Server - The old reserved slots has been replaced by a kick-on-demand system like in BF2
Server - Log file for server admins: all remote admin interface commands/events are logged
Server - Log file for server admins: major server events + all chat messages are logged
Server - Idle kick is controllable
Server - Profanity filter can be disabled
Server - Teamkill-kick system is controllable
Server - Ticket counts and bleed rate are controllable per-level
Server - Infantry only mode available per-level
Server - Initial spawn delay and respawn delay are adjustable
Server - Server description can be up to 400 characters, and use "|" for line breaks
Server - Banlist can contain up to 10.000 entries
Server - reduced latency in packet handling
Admin Interface - fixed the player.onKill spam that occasionally happened
Admin Interface - ensured that player.onJoin events always report the player name
Admin Interface - events triggered when people spawn
Admin Interface - much more info on kills
Admin Interface - detailed stats are reported at end-of-round
Gameplay - Various minor level bugfixes
Gameplay - Helicopter handling has been tweaked
Gameplay - Weapon tweaks have been implemented based on PC public feedback
Gameplay - Tracer dart gun speed has been changed from 300 m/s to 200 m/s
Gameplay - Fixed technical hang when a crate was armed outside of the combat area
Gameplay - "Victory is near" message was shown for the wrong team on Valparaíso, this has been fixed
Gameplay - Countermeasures can be fired when driving a helicopter
Gameplay - The brightness of the pilot view in the Russian helicopter has been reduced
Gameplay - Advanced Spotting scope works better
Gameplay - Knifing people in the back works again (we backed out the change that we had done for Server R11)
Gameplay - Hit box for moving targets expands based on the speed of the targets movement
Gameplay - G36 now has crosshair when in Hardcore mode
Server Browser - Servers are sorted into 3 categories: Normal, Modified, Hardcore depending on their settings
Server Browser ? Added support for retrieving update progress
Server Browser - Now refreshes information
Server Browser - Join queue system when attempting to join a full server
Server Browser - All settings are automatically saved between sessions
Server Browser - Pings are sent via an alternate mechanism, which should work for non-Administrator users as well
Client - Fixed DX9 issue, which likely caused graphics glitches and perhaps crashes
Client - Fixed some crashes
Client - Toggle/hold crouch is user controllable
Client - Toggle/hold zoom is user controllable
Client - Vsync bugfixed for DX10/DX11
Client - Rewritten how settings are written to disk; this should reduce/eliminate the spawn lag
Client - Fixed bug where a player could join a server before the stats has been downloaded causing faulty stats in "EOR- unlock progression"-screen
Client - New chat system allows chatting when dead (but not during end of round) and keeps a 100 lines log
Client - Improved Play Now functionality
Client - Removed K/D ratio and Skill Level filters in the leaderboards
Client - Any points you get while being dead will be added to your score
Client - Reduced negative mouse acceleration
Client - Increased health on the Cobra to match other vehicles
Client - More informative disconnection/kick reasons
Client - Support for Map Packs so PC gets future VIP maps at the same time as consoles
The Balance tweaks are as follows:
Slightly increased the damage of the UZI at long range.
The AKs74u now has more felt recoil when aiming.
The G3, VSS, and all SemiAutomatic rifles now settle slightly faster between shots when aiming.
The PKM, Type 88LMG, G3, An94, and 40mm shotgun have returned to their former glory.
Increased the damage of the MG3 to bring it in line with the rest of the LMGs.
Fixed a bug where the Saiga12 with slugs would do too much damage at long range.
Fixed a bug where the SVU would do too little damage at long range.
Fixed a bug where M95 rounds would not kill armored targets with headshots.
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5. July 2010 @ 01:38 |
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On top of all this, I'm possibly going on a trip to florida for a fortnight in September, so I need to save quite a substantial sum for that.
Oh, comin' stateside, are ya?
Hey - that's boozer's neck of the woods - are you heading over there?
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With microstutter in play too, I was running the game at 800x600 all minimum, and it was smooth most of the time, but 1024x768 all minimum was too much, it lagged a bit. WHAT THE ****.
You have to be kidding me. With your 26000 3dmark6 machine you're running the game smoothly at 800x600??????
Hahahaha. That is a scream.
What the hell are they thinking - is it the new crysis or just somebody's temporary crazyness? Is the game any good to warrant that kind of foolishness?
From estuansis' update on BC2: "The AKs74u now has more felt recoil when aiming."
I am guessing that recoil means how the screen jumps - but when I read that - I thought - "Wait, those guys at one time were talking about using xbox controllers on the PC - which actually DO have recoil that you can feel when you fire."
So, just in case - how are you playing that game Jeff - with actual recoil controllers, or a regular mouse and keyboard?
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5. July 2010 @ 01:51 |
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LOL I never use a gamepad for FPS games. Are you crazy? Yes for a single certain game but I made that comment months and months ago :P
Mind you not just an average mouse and keyboard. They light up XD
No seriously MS Habu and Saitek Eclipse II.
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5. July 2010 @ 22:15 |
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Gamepad for a PC FPS? lol, not unless I fee like getting owned more than usual XD
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6. July 2010 @ 02:38 |
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Well this is complete BS! I just reinstalled Left4dead 2 for the first time in months, and it REALLY wants to do a massive update. The update will take 40min. Rather unimpressed with that. I should have the say so of updating or not, before I play the game. I tell it to pause the update, and it still won't let me play. Unbelievable...
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6. July 2010 @ 03:06 |
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That's Steam for you. Though once you're fully updated, it'll never bother you again...
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6. July 2010 @ 03:11 |
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Indeed.
I forgot how much I love this game LOL! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
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6. July 2010 @ 04:48 |
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what i hate with steam is that you have to go online to get to the offfline mode.
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6. July 2010 @ 04:50 |
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Not usually, I just find that games that aren't up to date won't work in offline mode.
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6. July 2010 @ 07:04 |
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Actually, since the GUI update, Steam has been a lot less buggy for me than usual. I have no complaints about the service whatsoever. It allows me to own any game from the last 2 decades for severely reduced prices, offers a way to play them from any PC, and guarantees I will always have a copy on hand. Steam is the wave of the future for PC gaming. Here's hoping they keep it in the gamers' best interests though and don't go sour like many other companies...
And incase there are any doubts, yes I do still prefer a hard copy if I can get it.
Also, Steam has guaranteed that if they ever go under, they will make it possible for Steam gamers to still play their games. I have no clue how, but considering this is the team that made Half-Life 2, I'm not worried. They have it figured out :P
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13. July 2010 @ 23:06 |
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Originally posted by Jeff:
LOL I never use a gamepad for FPS games. Are you crazy? Yes for a single certain game but I made that comment months and months ago :P
Mind you not just an average mouse and keyboard. They light up XD
No seriously MS Habu and Saitek Eclipse II.
Haha. Well, the idea of actual RECOIL seemed kind of cool! And the "light up" part is for sure on my list of "must-haves" - needing to keep a light on like I have to do right now is Gay - (no offense to anybody intended.) :D
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Gamepad for a PC FPS? lol, not unless I fee like getting owned more than usual XD
LOL I'm not terribly fond of being pwned all the time either, Remind me to find out what servers Shaff plays on, and then stay FAR FAR away!! :P
Originally posted by Omega:
Well this is complete BS! I just reinstalled Left4dead 2 for the first time in months, and it REALLY wants to do a massive update. The update will take 40min. Rather unimpressed with that. I should have the say so of updating or not, before I play the game. I tell it to pause the update, and it still won't let me play. Unbelievable...
Hahahahahaha! That's the funniest thing yet! It's loading that last freebie chapter, Kevin! I haven't touched my machine in 4 months, but with the table still in the Business rotation, I DID turn it on the gaming rig a month ago and I let it update Left 4 Dead overnight to get THAT chapter, for when I finally do start playing again. I agree with you buddy, I was thinking about how cool that game is as I was falling asleep last night!
Originally posted by Estuansis:
Also, Steam has guaranteed that if they ever go under, they will make it possible for Steam gamers to still play their games. I have no clue how, but considering this is the team that made Half-Life 2, I'm not worried. They have it figured out :P
"Go under!" Jeff, bite your tongue! Don't ever say that! That would have a BADDD effect on the income of somebody I know very well who throws some GOOOOOD parties! Hahaha.
The funny thing is, said party-throwing person was mentioning a short while ago, at the last party, that Valve, with a present staff of about 200, has not really created hardly any in-house games for ages, other than Half Life, Half Life 2, and Portal. Almost everything else have been mods, or in some other fashion have come from outside, like Counter Strike, Team Fortress, Day of Defeat, all mods, and Left 4 Dead, originally built by Turtle Rock studios under contract with Valve. So what are 200 very talented dudes doing in that case?
Well, in my opinion, I think that Valve has become quite a good solid publishing company, thanks to coming up with Steam - they sell virtually everything, have you noticed?
I think that's a very good thing. If a good company like Valve, with high values - not just the love of the dollar - can get a big piece of the pie that usually goes to the publisher, then you won't have talented people having to walk away because they're getting screwed by the publisher, like what just happened with the Infinity Ward guys, the non-Treyarch genuises responsible for Call of Duty 2, 4, and 6.
Speaking of COD2, do you think I could ever influence Gabe Newell to divert a chunk of those 200 geniuses to get back to his World War II roots (which he never had) instead of this nonsense science fiction crap? Hahahaha. Just kidding. And we all know that Alyx is HOT!
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14. July 2010 @ 13:24 |
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what the general concensus about the GTX460?
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14. July 2010 @ 13:27 |
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In my opinion, the first graphics card nvidia has got right since the GTX200 series. Still very much overpriced for what it is, but in terms of efficiency, price for performance, heat and noise, it puts the rest of the 400 series to shame. I don't quite think it's as good as the ATI competition, but it's sufficiently close now that I would not laugh at someone who bought one.
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14. July 2010 @ 13:44 |
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The 460 is averaging less, than I spent on my 260 in April of last year. I wonder how it compares. I imagine it stomps on the 260 ;)
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it puts the rest of the 400 series to shame. I don't quite think it's as good as the ATI competition, but it's sufficiently close now that I would not laugh at someone who bought one.
Ouch! LOL! Doesn't get much blunter than that eh?
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14. July 2010 @ 13:48 |
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The GTX460 is a little behind the HD5830, which in turn is around 30% faster than an HD4870, which is the GTX260 216's main rival, so it's maybe a 25% performance boost you're getting. This of course is the 1GB version. The 768MB version is a fair bit slower in most games (though also far cheaper)
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15. July 2010 @ 11:01 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
LOL I never use a gamepad for FPS games. Are you crazy? Yes for a single certain game but I made that comment months and months ago :P
Mind you not just an average mouse and keyboard. They light up XD
No seriously MS Habu and Saitek Eclipse II.
EXACT same kb/m setup as me :)
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15. July 2010 @ 13:12 |
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Used to really rate Eclipse IIs but they're just a bit too fragile. Fine if your PC never leaves the house I guess. For LAN gamers though, something with a bit higher build quality is preferable though.
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16. July 2010 @ 23:27 |
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Originally posted by shaff:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
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LOL I never use a gamepad for FPS games. Are you crazy? Yes for a single certain game but I made that comment months and months ago :P
Mind you not just an average mouse and keyboard. They light up XD
No seriously MS Habu and Saitek Eclipse II.
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EXACT same kb/m setup as me :)
Wow, Jeff and mad dog Shaff with the same kb/m setup? Looking up the mouse, I see it's basically a Razer - Sam's mouse brand of choice as I recall.
And the Saitek Eclipse ii doesn't look like I will need to tape the keyboard down to keep it in place for when I'm fighting off the hordes or trying to nail shaff - the crazy bf/bc jumper :P
(I see Sam doesn't advise for Lan gamers - but that's not me.)
Thanks for the tip, guys!
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17. July 2010 @ 02:39 |
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Yeah I got my Habu used as a former floor model from Best Buy for $25 :D
No retail package, but they threw in the documentation, driver disk, 2 sets of new mouse feet, and a new set of both side inserts because the buttons were worn a bit. Other than the obvious signs of light wear, the mouse arrived like-new and not a problem since :P
2000DPI baby. Nothing quite like it. Using a hard plastic GameRigs BattleMat gaming mousepad. That and with 1000Hz polling turned on, I'm a happy camper. The tracking is superb :D
Oh yeah don't forget the Habu is a Microsoft/Razer collaboration. It has Razer Copperhead internals with a somewhat modified MS Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 shell. Very comfortable, easy to control, and a perfect fit for my large hands :D
This is basically the same exact thing as the Habu, but the Habu has some Razer stylings like flared buttons, lights, etc.
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Used to really rate Eclipse IIs but they're just a bit too fragile. Fine if your PC never leaves the house I guess. For LAN gamers though, something with a bit higher build quality is preferable though.
Well I use one of my Eclipse Is for LANs(both the red and the blue one). They are a bit tougher in that regard. But I've never had problems with durability on my Eclipse II. Probably doesn't hurt it hardly ever moves... I think the cheaper feel is due to the lighter-weight plastic, but it hasn't shown any signs of wear since I've had it and that's 2+ years now of moderate to heavy gaming. Mind you I keep a pretty light touch on the keys.
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The newer Saitek keyboards have got, the worse the build quality is. The first Eclipse II I bought in 2006 was reasonably solid until, unthinkingly, I removed the spacebar, forgetting that spacebars can never be replaced on keyboards. The second one I got in around 2008 was dropped from three feet (not by me I hasten to add) and severely damaged from that, which was rather surprising. The cyborg is by far the lowest quality keyboard I have ever seen, all 99p keyboards included. Through entirely normal use, I split the enter key completely in half, and the rest of the keys had about an 80% chance to record what you pressed, if you pressed extremely hard. I've seen someone with an Eclipse III too, and it's falling to bits. The Razer keyboards are well made, but poorly designed, and excessively expensive. The MS SIdewinder X6 is so far the best gamers' keyboard I've had, and far from the most expensive.
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17. July 2010 @ 09:40 |
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i have removed the spacevar many a time to clean my kb, without fail, what di you do?
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