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The Ultimate Dream Computer
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31. August 2007 @ 08:12 |
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Yes but that's down to personal taste.
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jbrann
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27. September 2007 @ 20:24 |
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Originally posted by fasfrank:
Hi pacman!
Excellent advice on the burn in. I'm going to do that on the next one.
I build after work and on my days off so there's always that time it takes to get started up again. I spend a lot of time on the little things too, like cleaning the heatsink and processor. Plus I double or triple check everything like all the front panel connectors and USB/Firewire/audio connectors.
Another thing is that I really like the building process. I want it to be a long, fulfilling experience, kinda like what my ex-girlfriend wanted from me. Wohoo!
Anyhow.... I did manage a 15586 3DMark06 a few minutes ago which put me at #12 for similar systems. That's enough for now.
Doc is the one who mentioned this board after I told him about the limits I was reaching with my quad core and the Asus, so it wasn't a hard decision to get it.
I think the next step will be to get another QX6700 and liquid cooling. I kinda had future upgrades in mind when I picked out the parts. I did screw up on the PSU though. I imagine the 700W CoolMax is about at it's limits with SLI 8800 gts cards.
So I'll add that to the list.
Cheers,
Frank
iwas wondering i am building a computer with a quad 2.4 intel a 640 mb vid 8gb gaming ram 500gb sata a msi 975x platnium powerup edition and a dvd cd burner with lightscribe and a thermatake armor with 2 90mm fans 2 120 mmfans and a big 250 mm all with blue leds i would appreciate if you could help me ive looked everywhere for the requirements please email me at jbrann_04572@yahoo.com ty
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PacMan777
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27. September 2007 @ 21:49 |
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What requirements are you referring to?
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28. September 2007 @ 04:16 |
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29. September 2007 @ 11:37 |
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Where do we start?
OK, the Basic building blocks of your system.
Motherboard: I don't know what the power-up version is... it looks like this one:
MSI 975X Platinum V.2 LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130051
Reasonable price, reviews.. not wonderful.
RAM, 8Gb? Why? You sure don't need that much. Anything over 3 is not used by 32 bit OS. 2Gb of good RAM is all you would need for a 32 bit OS or possibly 4 for Vista. That being said, You can always add more later, if you need it.
CPU. I have an Quad 6700 and it's great for most things, but what a crappy overclocker compared to the C2Ds, especially the newer 1333 FSB versions. You better get a great heatsink for it if you OC, even if you don't, get one. The stock Intel HSs really do suck.
Zalmans look cool and work pretty good. The Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme works better than those do.
I'd also take a look at this one:
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
You get a great deal on a proven performer for $19.99.
With the money you save by not buying 8 Gb RAM you can get a second
video card!!
I use these in SLI and am happy with them:
ASUS EN8800GTS/HTDP/640M GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card.
You could also run a single 8800 GTX or Ultra. I would not run two video cards on that mobo. High end video cards deserve something better.
I prefer SLI so that's going to be a Striker or some other 680i or 650i board. I wouldn't use a 650i either for SLI. You can run crossfire with a few of different intel chipsets... like the P35 board and get the 1333 FSB for future use.
Of course if you run dual 8800 videocards in crossfire or SLI you are going to need a good power supply, something 700 Watts or preferably bigger.
I use an Enermax Galaxy 850 Watt PSU. There are better ones I suppose, PC Power and Cooling are supposed to be good. I'm getting one of those for my Penryn build in January.
500 Gb HDD. I'd try a:
HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725050VLA360 (0A33437) 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145137
I used the 320 Gb version in my last build and it is a good drive so far.
For my two fast PCs I run a pair of 150 Gb WD Sata Raptors. I have one set up as RAID 0, another as JBOD, and really don't see much difference. I suppose that would depend on what you were doing with it.
For a DVD burner, get this one:
SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S203B - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151153
This is a very nice burner for the price. I just installed one in my last build a couple of day ago and it is very quiet and smooth. I burned a few DVDs with it and have no complaints. Maximum PC magazine likes it too.
Anyhow,
I think all you wanted was PSU requirements so for what you have listed, 640 Watts would do the job. The 8800 GTS series cards lists 500 Watts as a minimum requirement for system power.
Here's a chart with video cards and power requirements:
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354
BTW, you do need to remove your email address.
Click the edit post link at the top right of your original post to do so.
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29. September 2007 @ 11:57 |
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Hehe, showoff!
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27. November 2007 @ 18:45 |
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PacMan777
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27. November 2007 @ 21:23 |
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The FX-60 is a nice processor, but a C2D could make it more powerful.
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28. November 2007 @ 02:49 |
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That and the fact he uses a BlackIce radiator. From what I've heard you can do far better.
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28. November 2007 @ 22:40 |
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you cant get better then the superhornet, just stop denying it and get down on you knees and start worshiping its awe and beauty, there is no escaping the superhornet, no survivors.....
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28. November 2007 @ 23:29 |
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... Only if one falls prey to case mods and a slick paint job. As for myself, I'd rather have a black box with a highend platform on the inside. Sadly the FX-60 is a gen or more old and doesn't cut it as a top end performer. When AMD gets off the pot and builds a competitor for Intel's C2D tech, then I'll consider building another AMD performance system. As it stands, Intel is once again the big dog and AMD is on the porch. The hornet is cute, but this one doesn't have the sting of a C2D.
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29. November 2007 @ 03:18 |
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Lol ouch! Now that's a put down!
As for me, you don't have to go as far as a custom paint job and case build for your PC to be individual. Go with a case that isn't run of the mill, and illuminate it to your own personal taste. You still have the humbling feeling that there's no PC in the whole world that's exactly the same as yours.
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29. November 2007 @ 03:32 |
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sammorris
I wasn't trying to put anything down. I was just stating the obvious. AMD is lagging behind.
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29. November 2007 @ 03:36 |
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Indeed. Let's hope that changes soon.
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29. November 2007 @ 03:48 |
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At first I thought AMD might have something in the works to rival C2D. As time wore on, it's become apparent they didn't. Now we're waiting for R&D at AMD to come up with something. So far AMD competition has been somewhat lame. In the past, without competition, Intel has been guilty of some questionable market practices, including some price gouging. If for nothing else, we need AMD to come through to keep the prices reasonable.
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29. November 2007 @ 03:55 |
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AMD seem to be on the receiving end of questionable market practices quite often. First there's all the anti-trust about Intel, and there's also the same from nvidia. Of course, when it first happened (read: the Geforce FX 3dmark scandal) it was ATI who had to deal with it. FAR superior products like the 9800Pro losing out to the lousy FX5800XT because of spoofed 3dmark scores in the drivers. Then there's the same now. The 8800GT drivers are modified to artificially give higher frame rates in Crysis at the expense of image quality. It tires me.
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29. November 2007 @ 04:58 |
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I think part of the situation was AMD trying to attack Intel any way they could. Things quietened down a bit while AMD was the industry leader in performance systems. AMD is large enough they can no longer get away with the "big bad blue giant" stories. AMD is big enough to take care of itself. They did help keep Intel honest as far as pricing goes. I suspect Intel even did some dumping to hurt AMD sales. For us consumers, we need both companies doing well. I don't like monopolies or a market where we only have one leading supplier. It leads to inferior quality at higher prices.
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2. December 2007 @ 16:55 |
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my dream system will be for now is a
Phenom X4 9900
Gigabyte AMD 790FX chipset mobo
G.Skill 4GB(2x 2GB)kit...two of those = 8GB
2 x SG 500GB
700w/750w PSU
Antec 900/Thermaltake Kandalf case
4x HD3850 512MB gpu
wow what a build
SEX
Now Ive got your attention please read my post above
Own: Computer, PS2, PS3, PSP and Asus UX32VD i5 Ultrabook
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2. December 2007 @ 17:32 |
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Why a 3850? The 3870 is better and has more ram...
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2. December 2007 @ 20:42 |
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AMD is lagging behind.
keep in mind Intel has much more money/resources then them, also the superhornet can be bumped up to a better motherboard allowing different
processor sets, its very versatile and can keep up with the times........to bad theres only one......
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2. December 2007 @ 22:44 |
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tripplite
With the antiquated parts list it sounds like the "bumble bee" build needs to catch up with the times. Instead of keeping up, it never got up.
I'm not putting down the FX-60 system, they were nice in their time. It's just that the time has past and the CPU is no longer a good competitor for Intel's C2D technology. AMD has finally brought out the Phenom processors to do battle with Intel. Intel is supposed to be bringing out the Penryn shortly. Those are already making the pre-release test rounds. If Intel can keep the pricing down, they'll blow AMD out of the water once again. I hope AMD has more up their sleeve besides Phenom.
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keep in mind Intel has much more money/resources then them,
Maybe, but AMD is definitely not a poor little company either. AMD is a large international company with a lot of resources. It's more a matter of AMD dropping the ball than lacking the resources. AMD's management sat around and laughed at Intel until Intel lowered the boom on them. AMD thought Intel couldn't match hypertransport. Given it's good memory management technology, but Intel continues to work around it. I remember how critical AMD was of Intel just before the C2D release. AMD was pretty condescending and AMD fans were rooting for Intel to fail.
@GTR35
Has anyone brought out enough DirectX 10 games and software to justify those expensive GPUs yet?
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3. December 2007 @ 02:25 |
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@Waymon3X6 because i can have 4 HD3850...HD3850 is a single slot card while HD3870 is a double slot...
@PacMan777 not a lot tho...but they're getting there...
SEX
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3. December 2007 @ 06:25 |
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Originally posted by GTR35:
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@PacMan777 not a lot tho...but they're getting there...
Problem is, by the time they get there with the programming, there will be newer and likely better GPUs. That's the problem with leading edge tech. By the time they get the software to match the hardware, there's often newer and better hardware. Sort of a vicious circle.
Intel and AMD are both working on incorporating graphics into the CPU. That should work better all around.
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3. December 2007 @ 08:27 |
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GTR: no offense, but four HD3850s will make a very slow system in the majority of games. Crossfire is ass unless there's one specific game it supports that you play a lot of, and since you went with HD3850s, the games that don't work with it (i.e. most of them) will only run so-so compared to high end cards like the HD3870 and the 8800GT/GTX. Buy an HD3870, but keep it singular, it'll perform well, and you'll save a fortune.
Since it's your dream system you kind of undersold yourself on the hard drives didn't you? Now that there are 1TB drives out, why not get six of those? This is a dream build is it not?
Pacman: They sort of have, but Directx10 doesn't support Anti-Aliasing. At all. Not a sausage. So consequently I refuse to use it, and stick with XP and DX9 for games. I'll wait until DX10.1 comes out thanks very much!
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3. December 2007 @ 13:16 |
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Sam
I was going by what the top GPUs are supposed to use, not what you've decided to run on your system. That's why most 32 bit XP systems with 256MB GPUs running DirectX 9 can do about as well or better than systems using the top GPUs with most of the current games available (similar platforms of course). A simple look at the comparisons done by sites like Tomshardware, Anandtech, and PC world will show the numbers. Of course when more games are made for DirectX 10 the advantage should shift.
Unless you built with one of the newer GPUs meant for DirectX 10, then your older version of DirectX makes sense. A person shouldn't be trying to use DirectX 10 with a GPU that it wasn't intended for with few games and programming available.
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