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9. June 2006 @ 05:21 |
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@pazzini
I think the Recode came out the best of the transcoders using the quality enhancements. I did this movie using Recode and the exact same settings you did and it looked pretty good on my 52 inch, of course not quite as good as RB but for a transcoding program it is good and as you said the quality will be the same as Shrink. The drawback with Shrink is that it is slower. Maybe if the comparisons keep up the thread will get a sticky as these are really great. Both you and ebega are to be complimented. I thank you as it is nice to see the difference. Posters are always asking, so here is the visual proof on what the programs can do, and how they handle the high compression. From what I see the default of Sharp for these higher compressed movies is just not that good.
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9. June 2006 @ 05:38 |
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Thanks arniebear but ebega deserves the credit he has done a superb job with his comparisons.
I agree with you that max smooth is better than sharp, yes it take longer but you do notice the difference.
If there is a movie that people would like me to do just name the film and I will see if I have it and I will gladly do it for you :)
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29. June 2006 @ 06:06 |
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Hi all :)
This film is Saving private ryan (full disc) the compression level for all encoders is 47.4% (52.6%) Bitrates: 3,386/1,962/2,394
Encoders used Procoder2, CCE, HC18
Settings:
Procoder2 Mastering quality
CCE all default apart from 3 passes
HC18 Best
Original
CCE
Procoder2
HC18
Clonedvd2
Shrink
1Click DVD copy pro
1Click
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29. June 2006 @ 06:14 |
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Original
CCE
Procoder2
HC18
Clonedvd2
Shrink
1Click dvd copy pro
1Click
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29. June 2006 @ 06:14 |
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Good pics, movie looks fantastic could not really tell the difference. I give procoder a minute edge but they all look equal, which to me looks perfect. Thanks again for the comparisons :)
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29. June 2006 @ 06:39 |
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Original
CCE
Procoder2
HC18
Clonedvd2
Shrink
1Click dvd copy pro
1click
Original
CCE
Procoder2
HC18
Clonedvd2
Shrink
1Clickdvdcopy pro
1click
Times:
CCE 248 min
Procoder2 320min
HC18 388 min
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29. June 2006 @ 06:44 |
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Procoder2 is the clear winner for me.
Hc18 comes in second place
CCE third place
Tell me what you guys think :)
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29. June 2006 @ 07:07 |
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I will go with your picks, although CCE is probably the faster which I wonder if that has anything to do with how they stack up. But they all are very close, and there is very little difference from the original, considering the massive compression on this.
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29. June 2006 @ 07:29 |
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Hi arniebear :)
Yes CCE was faster the times are a couple of posts up but I will put them here aswell :)
CCE 248 minutes
Procoder2 320 minutes
HC18 388 minutes
Like you say with the amount of compression that was needed the Encoders tested have done a superb job.
If you like I can add some transcoders like clonedvd2, Recode2, 1click dvd copy pro to see how they handle the massive amount of compression. If people would like me to do this just ask :)
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29. June 2006 @ 07:32 |
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Well I would like to see it, but don't want to put you to any trouble. Would like to see the Clone output consering it does not have any advanced analysis or AEC.
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29. June 2006 @ 07:40 |
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Not a problem at all, I will do clonedvd2 first and post the pics up very soon :)
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29. June 2006 @ 08:24 |
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Nice job pazzini. I agree with the order you think is best quality wise but I think I still have to go with CCE only due to speed. I don't mind sacrificing time for quality but there's got to be a limit and I can't see where all the extra time for procoder or hc is that benefitial. They're all very close.
While you're at it, if you don't mind, throw one in done with DVD Shrink (max smooth). I never use shrink anymore but would like to see how it compares. There's still a lot of gung ho shrink believers out there.
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29. June 2006 @ 08:37 |
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I have added the clonedvd2 images, even though the pictures dont look to bad it is quite the opposite when viewing the movie on my 52" HDTV.
51% (49%) compression
Hi mort I will add the shrink pictures for you very soon :)
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29. June 2006 @ 09:11 |
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I don't know that Clone one looks pretty nasty when compared to the encoders, got some artifacts in the faces. Tom's lip don't look too good :)
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29. June 2006 @ 09:11 |
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Hi pazzini,
Yuk, clone is awful. Major tiling. And I thought it was better than shrink. You may have to include a couple of shrink with no AEC.
Even toms chin and lips tiled a little with hc.
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29. June 2006 @ 09:23 |
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I see we saw the same things at the same time, lol. Yeah, I saw the tiling in HC, but overall it is still better. Since I am loathe to give up my CCE I stick with this one.
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29. June 2006 @ 09:59 |
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I hear ya Pete. I don't use anything besides rb/cce anymore unless I run into a strange problem with it. I've had a couple backups out of about 100 that would not play on my set top player for some reason but funny thing is they would play on my neighbors. I ran those through clone (movie only) and they played ok on mine. Very rare indeed and it hasn't happened for a long time.
Depending on the results from pazzini, if it happens again I might have to use shrink or recode as opposed to clone. I don't foresee it hapening again though.
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29. June 2006 @ 10:21 |
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I will use Clone for some of the series I want to split, so there is no compression. But mainly I stick with Recode, everything comes out really well with it. It is the same as Shrink, just faster. Shrink is easier to get at the AEC settings, with Recode you got to change them in the registry, a drawback to me. Also, what I do like about Shrink though is that you can just rip a movie only with Decrypter and Shrink will open it and then create the missing BUP file for you, Nero and Clone spit on these files, saying the BUP is missing so they won't open.
Did you guys check out the new ripper in town, RipIt4Me. Seems to put old DVDD back in business. I would like to try it out, but got a problem, my router is blocking the dl site so I need someone to email it to me. Tried but DD puts out so many popups my tray is full, now got to do a spyware clean, and whatever site they are using for dl just can't get by, so I am in limbo.
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29. June 2006 @ 11:26 |
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You guys are correct after looking at them more closely clonedvd2 does not look good at all. I did not have a proper look before as I looked at them while uploading them.
I still only use clonedvd2 when no compression is needed (transcoder disabled) I use Recode2 at 80% (20%) compresson, everything else goes through Rebuilder with Procoder2.
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Clone is good for a movie that only needs minor compression, it shines in reauthoring when you want to split and keep menus, but for higher compressed stuff it is not that good. Shrink will beat it out any day. The program may be old but it still works well. And of course we know that RB is the best, but too many do not want to invest the time in it, which is a shame. If you want to have backups that look good years from now then use RB. I don't like it as much for old black and white movies, I think it does not make them crisp enough, but that is just personal preference. Some of those old movies have not been taken care of too well.
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Shrink has now been added.
51% (49%) compression
settings deep analysis, AEC max smooth
Enjoy :)
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29. June 2006 @ 17:21 |
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Thanks for adding Shrink, it looks about equal to HC judging by Tom's chin. Way better than Clone, but not as good as CCE and Procoder. These comparisons are really great.
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29. June 2006 @ 18:11 |
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Thanks pazzini. I agree with arniebear. Do you by chance know how long shrink took?
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30. June 2006 @ 00:11 |
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Hi :)
Clonedvd2 took 18 minutes while Shrink took 1 hour 10 minutes approx
1Click and 1Click Pro have been added by request of LP531
1Click dvd copy pro has been added it took 30 minutes same compression as Shrink and Clonedvd2.
1click has now been added it took 25 minutes compression same as the rest.
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The 1click does not look bad, better than Clone but not quite as good as Shrink. But it is very close to Shrink and less time involved. In the transcoder dept I would rate Shrink first, then 1click and Clone is at the bottom. For encoders Procoder looks the best, then I will go with CCE, although I think they are pretty equal, and HC last, by virtue of the tiling in Tom's chin and lips.
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