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DVD-RB and AutoQMatEnc
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UPDATE 06/08/2006:Added new pics of transcoders for the comparison. All processes were full disc, same movie as previous, which resulted to about 51% compression for each transcoder. Transcoders, E.T., and any special options used are listed below DVD-RB logs. Enjoy
Well, I wanted to test out DVD-RB with the newly supported encoder and thought I would share my results. I tested on Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring (Full Frame, Region 1, NTSC). I compared my results with CCE SP and ProCoder 2.0 as well. My system specs are below, but I now have an Epox 939 Nforce 3 Ultra mobo, CPU overclocked to 2.3 GHZ, and 1 gig of Kingston Hyper X DDR400 @ 210.
GSpot Info for original Video: (All screen shots taken from VTS_01_1):
FILE_NAME VTS_01_1.VOB
FILE_NAME_WITH_PATH C:\FELLOWSHIP\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
FILE_SIZE 1,073,643,520
CONT_BASETYPE MPEG (.MPG/.MPEG/.VOB)
CONT_SUBTYPE
CONT_INTERLEAVE_TIME
CONT_INTERLEAVE_PRELOAD
CONT_INTERLEAVE_ALIGN
CONT_TOTAL_BITRATE 10080
CONT_BYTES_MISSING
CONT_AUDIO_STREAM_COUNT 2
VIDEO_CODEC_TYPE MPEG2_Video
VIDEO_CODEC_NAME MPEG-2
VIDEO_CODEC_STATUS Codec(s) are NOT Installed
VIDEO_DURATION 00:25:08
VIDEO_FRAME_COUNT 45185
VIDEO_QF 0.946
VIDEO_SIZE_X 720
VIDEO_SIZE_Y 480
VIDEO_DISPLAY_SIZE_X
VIDEO_DISPLAY_SIZE_Y
VIDEO_ASPECT_DECIMAL
VIDEO_ASPECT_FRAC
VIDEO_PICS_PER_SEC 29.970
VIDEO_FRAMES_PER_SEC 29.970
VIDEO_FIELDS_PER_SEC 59.939
VIDEO_BITRATE 9802
VIDEO_MPEG4
VIDEO_MPEG4_BVOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_NVOP
VIDEO_MPEG4_QPEL
VIDEO_MPEG4_GMC
VIDEO_H264
VIDEO_SAR
VIDEO_DAR 1.333
VIDEO_MPEG2 MPEG-2
VIDEO_MPEG2_I_L I/L
VIDEO_MPEG2_PROG
VIDEO_MPEG2_TFF TFF
VIDEO_MPEG2_BFF
**********CCE SP 2.7, 3 Passes:**********
[13:22:44] One Click encoding activated...
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[13:22:44] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE 2.70.2.4 encoder selected.
- VTS_01: 3,865,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 256,628 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 51.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,349/2,679Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,500,234KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,516/393/2,679 Kbs
[13:26:38] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.
[13:26:38] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Blah Blah Blah
[16:10:30] Phase II ENCODING completed in 164 minutes.
[16:10:30] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Blah Blah Blah
- Building ISO Image...
- ISO Image successfully created.
[16:27:49] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 17 minutes.
Done.
[16:27:49] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 185 min.
**********ProCoder 2.0, Mastering Quality:**********
[18:40:01] One Click encoding activated...
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[18:40:01] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- VTS_01: 3,865,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 256,628 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 51.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,349/2,679Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,500,234KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,516/393/2,679 Kbs
[18:44:01] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.
[18:44:01] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Blah Blah Blah
[22:22:14] Phase II ENCODING completed in 218 minutes.
[22:22:15] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Blah Blah Blah
- Building ISO Image...
- ISO Image successfully created.
[22:38:20] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 16 minutes.
Done.
[22:38:20] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 238 min.
**********AutoQMatEnc, 3 Passes, AQM enabled:**********
[00:15:17] One Click encoding activated...
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[00:15:17] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- AutoQMatEnc selected.
- VTS_01: 3,865,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
- PREPARE aborted.
Aborted.
[00:17:36] One Click encoding activated...
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[00:17:36] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- AutoQMatEnc selected.
- "CCE Adaptive Quantizer Matrices" is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,865,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 256,628 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 51.2%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,349/2,679Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,500,234KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,516/393/2,679 Kbs
[00:21:28] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.
[00:21:28] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Blah Blah Blah
[04:13:20] Phase II ENCODING completed in 232 minutes.
[04:13:21] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Blah Blah Blah
- Building ISO Image...
- ISO Image successfully created.
[04:31:34] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 18 minutes.
Done.
[04:31:34] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 254 min
**********HC Encoder, "Best" setting**********
[11:11:15] One Click encoding activated...
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[11:11:15] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- HC encoder selected
- VTS_01: 3,865,145 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
-- Processed 256,628 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 51.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 3,343/2,674Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,494,332KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,510/393/2,674 Kbs
[11:15:18] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.
[11:15:18] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
- Blah
[14:56:05] Phase II ENCODING completed in 221 minutes.
[14:56:05] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Blah
- Building ISO Image...
- ISO Image successfully created.
[15:12:40] Phase III, REBUILD completed in 16 minutes.
Done.
[15:12:40] PREPARE/ENCODE/REBUILD completed in 241 min.
-----------------------TRANSCODERS--------------------------
CloneDVD2:
Time: 14 min. 32 sec.
Special Options: None
Nero Recode2:
Time: 45 min.
Special Options: Advanced Analysis and High Quality Mode (slow recoding)
DVD Shrink:
Time: 2 Hours
Special Options: Deep Analysis, Quality Enchancement (Max. Smoothness)
Shrinkto5:
Time: 30 min.
Special Options: Compression Quality: Maximum Fluid (slowest)
DVD2one:
Time: 15 min.
Special Options: Best Quality, High
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IMAGE COMPARISON 1
Frame 3753
Original:
CCE SP:
ProCoder 2.0:
AutoQMatEnc:
HC:
CloneDVD2:
Nero Recode2:
DVD Shrink:
Shrinkto5:
DVD2one:
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16. May 2006 @ 13:28 |
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IMAGE COMPARISON 2
Frame 4301
Original:
CCE SP:
ProCoder 2.0:
AutoQMatEnc:
HC:
CloneDVD2:
Nero Recode2:
DVD Shrink:
Shrinkto5:
DVD2one:
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16. May 2006 @ 13:29 |
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IMAGE COMPARISON 3
Frame 11490
Original:
CCE SP:
ProCoder 2.0:
AutoQMatEnc:
HC:
CloneDVD2:
Nero Recode2:
DVD Shrink:
Shrinkto5:
DVD2one:
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IMAGE COMPARISON 4
Frame 16542
Original:
CCE SP:
ProCoder 2.0:
AutoQMatEnc:
HC:
CloneDVD2:
Nero Recode2:
DVD Shrink:
Shrinkto5:
DVD2one:
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16. May 2006 @ 13:32 |
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I?m no Expert, but the results from this newly supported encoder look very good in my opinion. And the times are just barely slower than ProCoder 2. Granted, I don?t have the fastest system on the block, and a dual core CPU would definitely help my ProCoder times, I?m pretty pleased with AutoQ. I arbitrarily chose 3 passes for AutoQ because that is what I chose for CCE, not the best reasoning, but I wasn?t sure how many passes would be sufficient. Hopefully 3 was a good starting point, either way, seems like a promising encoder, especially considering that this movie was compressed to 51%, and possibly even better, it is free :)
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16. May 2006 @ 15:26 |
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Looks good and I think the new Enc does a good job, but looking at the pics of Gandolf and comparing, I think the CCE looks most like the original. If you look at the brown shadings on the cheeks and under the eyes, it looks a little faded on the Procoder and AutoQMat. But that is just my opinion. Thanks for putting them up as an example :)
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16. May 2006 @ 17:30 |
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arni bear look closely @ the blocks between gandalf's staff & the lake behind! I think pro2 took a couple years off him :)(lean back and look)
I alway's look for nasties in the original & then look to the encodes to see how they handle it.
also the dust given off of the monster hair(upper,left) in the original pic.
congrat's on the excellent work ebega!
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cinezone
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17. May 2006 @ 00:12 |
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I think it would be good to do benchmarks between free encoders (AutoQMatEnc and HC-Encoder)
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17. May 2006 @ 01:41 |
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I was thinking the same thing!!!
Dropbox: http://db.tt/p5P9bH1d
System 1: Core2Quad Q6600 O/Ced @ 3.15 GHz, Gigabyte GA EP35 DS4 mobo, Zalman 9700, 4GB PC6400 RAM, Sapphire Radeon 2600HD Pro, Samsung 920BW 19" Widescreen LCD, Hauppauge! PVR-350.
System 2: Core2Duo E6400 O/Ced @ 3.2 GHz, Gigabyte GA 965P S3 mobo, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro, 2GB PC6400 RAM, PNY GeForce 6600, Hyundai B70A 17" LCD. |
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17. May 2006 @ 10:09 |
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Did you guys just want pic comparisons and time comparisons like I have here? If so, I could just run a session of HC, I still have all of the other info saved. Let me know if you guys want that, I should have the time today.
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17. May 2006 @ 10:12 |
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I would like both, if not too much trouble. And thanks again for doing these it is really great to be able to compare :)
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cinezone
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17. May 2006 @ 10:42 |
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Yep, I'd like that too. Thank you.
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17. May 2006 @ 17:23 |
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Okay guys?.updated the results to include HC, exact same movie and settings, done on ?best? setting. BTW, I don?t mind doing this at all, it is the very least I can do, considering all of the help and knowledge I have acquired from this site and its great members. Thanks all.
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17. May 2006 @ 17:53 |
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Thanks, ebega. Still looking at Gandolf I say the HC looks pretty good, I am comparing the marks on his nose to the original and they are very close. I think the CCE sharpens the original a tad. I know L8ter will object but I rate the Procoder at third and AutoQMat at fourth. But that is just my eyes and preferences, I wear big old glasses anyway 
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cinezone
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17. May 2006 @ 21:09 |
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Indeed, HC looks better, so I keep it.
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20. May 2006 @ 08:20 |
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first let me fully appologise for posting this in one of the truely helpful and greatest threads @ AD (as they seem to be getting rare here)
but I thought all involved in this thread may want to know and I think it's a great group that I have come to know at least a little and wanted to say bye,
so bye
I pray that you forgive me ebega I think your work here was marvelous :) but as you can see there is only a small number actually interested in the details of such a helpful thread know that those posted in this thread are probably some of the greatest open minded people you will find here.
as in the LOTR there are evil forces @ work here and I thought all should know.
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20. May 2006 @ 08:43 |
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It is sad when members leave, and it is only right that those who like and admire share their their own kind words of encouragement. brobear along with Sophocles has done much to aid those who have used RB, long before there was a forum. I know I had my own troubles and posted and was helped by them in the beginning. When someone feels strongly about an issue it is hard to stay silent, and expression is always a good thing as long as the intent is not to harm others. IMO there was no malicious intent in L8ter's post, only to say goodbye to a friend he respected.
@ebega
Still think the CCE looks best, lol. Thanks again for your comparisons.
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23. May 2006 @ 00:54 |
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what did you use for vbr bias and quality precision for CCE?
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23. May 2006 @ 09:44 |
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Great work ebega
I am currently doing some tests for myself with CCE, Procoder 2, HC18, but I am also doing tests with transcoders
Clonedvd2, dvdshrink, Nero recode 2, 1click dvd copy pro. I am using 3 films stephen kings I.T 192min King Kong 187min and LOTR (rotk) 192min. It is going to take me a long time as I dont have much spare time, but I am looking forward to seeing the results.
Keep up the good work.
Pazzini
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26. May 2006 @ 04:21 |
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What program did you use to capture the frames? I tried to make a comparison using VirtualDubMod but I keep getting different frames with each encoder, for example Frame 3753 with CCE SP was different than Frame 3753 with HCenc.
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@rack04
I used VirtualDubMod the same as you. I had no problems with the frames I selected.
When you used rebuilder pro (1st stage,prepare) did the compression ratio say the same?
What I did is I used DVD Decrypter to rip the whole movie to my HDD then I used rebuilder pro (latest version)to select movie only with no subs and only 5.1 dolby sound.
EDIT: I would also like to know what programme Ebega used
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26. May 2006 @ 06:20 |
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The movie was "Hoodwinked" and I used DVD Rebuilder 1.09.3 in "Movie and Menu Only" mode. I don't remember if the compression changed from each encoder but each was set to "Movie and Menu Only". I'll have to test in "Movie Only" mode.
EDIT: I ripped the original using AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter in "File" mode. The same original rip was used for each encoder.
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If he compression ratio was different that would explain why your frames are not matching.
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26. May 2006 @ 07:43 |
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I don't see why the compression ration would be different. The DVD and DVD Rebuilder settings were the same, just different encoders.
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