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4. October 2009 @ 07:06 |
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Me ?, i actually have no idea what discs are in them, i know they're 160GB and fast as whatsits, but as they've been fault free in the 4 Optiplexes i'd never bothered to check what they are.
edit~ they're Seagate Barracuda ST3160815AS.
edit- a-ha i thought so , you were referring to Oman7's choice. He'll be fashioning a PC for his ma based on his own spec then :), my folks don't need nor care for such details/requirements, they're pensioners, well my Ma is anyways.
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4. October 2009 @ 12:42 |
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LOL! The VelociRaptor is a bit over the top I know. My experience with it has been sooo good I thought she would do well with one too. But since you bring it up...Im now thinking about a black drive for longevity. Lets face it. The Raptors are fast drives, but they ARE running themselves to death. Its an inevitability. I'll probably go with the WD5001AALS. She stores A LOT of picture files for all of her ebaying. I thought the Raptor would handle all of that indexing, and file searching better. And it would, but the AALS will probably suit her just fine.
The Case will not be my choice. It will be her choice alone. Im simply gonna choose maybe 6-12 models, and let her choose one.
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4. October 2009 @ 12:48 |
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So far so good for both my 3-4 year old 37GB Raptors, but hey, the caviar black has more than 6 times as much space for half the cost. Also, while the 750GB and 1TB versions aren't quite as fast, the 2TB Caviar Blacks boot windows faster than velociraptors.
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4. October 2009 @ 12:53 |
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I simply mean by logic. Look at an engine. Which one will survive longer:
1. Stock motor
2. Stock motor with Super charger running constantly
I love my velociraptor dearly, and I hope it lasts a decade. But it runs around the clock, so I won't hold my breath on that LOL! Honestly, if newegg had more of the 37Gb raptors, I'd probably pick one of those up...I don't think she needs much space. She needs both speed and reliability. But super speed comes at a price! I guess I could scour the web to find one ;) But it CAN'T be used.
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4. October 2009 @ 12:54 |
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Yah, i've noticed that the FALS drive boots a bit quicker :)
You meant they're not as fast as the raptor...I think it boots pretty quick on my secondary. Probably twice as fast as my raptor. But the raptor is using over half its drive.
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4. October 2009 @ 12:59 |
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lol both engines should last the same (that is if they're built and maintained properly) :P
Although the non-supercharged engine may be more prone to a build up of crud in the intake/exhaust systems more so then the supercharged.
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4. October 2009 @ 13:01 |
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Wow, there's some reverse logic if I ever heard it LOL! And there's the other side of the coin, that didn't occur to me :P
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4. October 2009 @ 13:03 |
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Unless you meant turbo charged? Which is an entirely different method of forced induction :P
Perhaps an engine with the rev limit removed vs one without would have been better way of saying it?
EDIT: Or is removing the rev limit more akin to OCing?
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4. October 2009 @ 13:05 |
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I have a confession to make. I know absolutely nothing about cars. Its my belief that OVER powering something cuts the life from that something...LOL!
I've heard that flipping the switch on a blower/supercharger immediately cuts the life in half...
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4. October 2009 @ 13:08 |
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Yeah IF the supercharger is in fact far far too powerful for the engine to take in which the investment isn't worth it and you may as well keep it naturally aspirated and do something else.
And I doubt Seagate would whomph it up just for the laugh like some sort of.......
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4. October 2009 @ 13:28 |
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4. October 2009 @ 13:45 |
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That's just it though. A Raptor is not a 7200rpm hard disk 'overclocked' to 10,000rpm, it is designed from the ground up to run at that speed. People would say the same thing about 7200rpm drives as opposed to the 5400, 4200 and 3600rpm drives that preceded them. You also have to remember that a lot of the hard disks powering datacentres run at 15,000rpm. Redundancy is of course paramount, but they're designed to last, longer than the standard desktop hard drive. The engine analogy isn't really that valid either - Honda type-Rs anyone? 8000rpm+ on some of them and they're pretty solid.
Originally posted by omega:
You meant they're not as fast as the raptor...I think it boots pretty quick on my secondary. Probably twice as fast as my raptor. But the raptor is using over half its drive.
I have absolutely no idea what that sentence means.
keith has pretty much got you outsmarted on the engine front, and I'm sorry to say he's right. The extra intake pressure from superchargers helps to clear potential blockages, and the limirt of intake pressure is usually quite considerably higher than what you typically get for a normally-aspirated engine. only if you raise the boost limit on an already oversized turbocharger/supercharger is when you get real issues, and that's a pretty short-term scenario, it'll probably break the day you adjust it.
I have never seen an 80GB raptor before, but it does exist, it's no hoax. It's from the year they modified the raptors to feature a native SATA cntroller with NCQ (2006) - older raptors are IDE drives with an internal IDE-SATA adapter and do not feature NCQ as a result. The WD800ADFD was initially just for HP/Dell systems but went retail later on due to popular demand, seemingly. It was still rare though, as it was essentially the same as the WD740ADFD and from what I can gather, no better at its job - since 2006 also saw the release of the WD1500ADFD, that's what everybody bought.
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4. October 2009 @ 13:54 |
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Actually type R's are TURBOcharged or NA if that's what it was in reference to :P
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4. October 2009 @ 13:56 |
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What I meant by the sentence,
You said that the 750Gb, and 1Tb drives are not quite as fast but the 2Tb boots quicker than the Velociraptor. I think my Fals drive boots at least a little quicker. I however have not ran REAL benchs on it as far as gaming, and Multiple installs. And the FALS is only using 20% of its drive, as opposed to 60% that the Raptor is. So im probably just seeing the FALS at its absolute best.
Well...you sure have a lot of faith in VelociRaptors. And you do make a valuable point about their being constructed properly with speed and Stability in mind. So they are pretty tough! Perhaps its simply the more audible noise that they make, that gets a guys attention LOL!
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4. October 2009 @ 14:00 |
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Keith: I'm referring to the majority of NA ones like in the S2000. I don't see many Type-Rs that come factory turbocharged.
Omega: As far as I can see, the 1TB and 750GB drives are marginally slower at booting windows than the velociraptor, but in general use I would expect the velociraptor to be greatly faster.
If you think higher noise equals lower reliability, you're obviously unfamiliar with the 37GB Raptor, even louder than most of Seagate's offerings.
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4. October 2009 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
If you think higher noise equals lower reliability, you're obviously unfamiliar with the 37GB Raptor, even louder than most of Seagate's offerings.
LOL! No joke eh. I guess im simply nervous given I have a 74Gb raptor sitting on a shelf, and I believe its got several corrupted sectors on it. But I bought it used on ebay, and there is no telling what the guy did to the poor thing ;)
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4. October 2009 @ 14:06 |
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I bought a second hand 37GB for £5 off a guy at Fragsoc because it had reallocated sectors on it. Almost a year as my primary OS drive later, so far so good.
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4. October 2009 @ 14:09 |
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What was I thinking of! lol a turbo Honda ;)
I now need to block all car thought until I find a job all this stuff's just making me depressed that I can't afford to drive :(
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4. October 2009 @ 14:09 |
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Are bad sectors typical of Raptors? I find this interesting. I have an 8 Yr old WD80Gb drive, with NO bad sectors, and still runs good. Perhaps the drives in question simply got small particles of whatever in the factory...
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4. October 2009 @ 14:16 |
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Originally posted by keith1993:
I now need to block all car thought until I find a job all this stuff's just making me depressed that I can't afford to drive :(
indeed :(
I've never been into superfast drives, any i've bought from new were bought for all other reasons ie reliability etc. Never once looked at warranties for a hard drive in my life, and still have quite a few drives that are ancient (any drives that have failed on me over the years have been driven over, chucked off high buildings etc, buried in a deep hole etc to ensure they stay failed). I've also never been interested in small but very fast hard drives for a boot disc, that seems to be something that only younger people are into, and i was never young :o
edit- apart from drives that died or were in God's waiting room (ie banging and scraping noises could be heard), i haven't had a hard drive with errors since the days of floppy drives. Apart from at work that is, where Solaris and/or the Veritas RAID software would alert you to problems, plus the hardware RAID arrays too. But most of the time that stuff is built to just shrug off the problems and keep going, real men's discs LOL :p
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4. October 2009 @ 14:19 |
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Keith: Has happened, turbo retrofits to Type-Rs is quite common, sometimes not even in appropriate cars, example turbocharged integra engine in an original Mini...
Omega: I'm not sure they're 'typical' as such, my original 2006 drive I bought from new hasn't suffered any.
I try not to throw any HDDs away for the same reasons Creaky presumably goes to great lengths with them.
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4. October 2009 @ 14:22 |
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In future though, if ever i do have any drives that fail i will investigate whether they do have warranties, just in case it helps..
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4. October 2009 @ 14:22 |
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LOL! I can't see throwing away my 74Gb Raptor. Even though windows was encountering errors, DUE to the fact of the drive I THINK. I figured there may be some way of reviving it somehow later.
Do drives automatically avoid damaged sectors??? I certainly hope so LOL!
I apologize for the newb question LOL! I get to chatting and easily space google!
I found this interesting
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1583&page=3
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4. October 2009 @ 14:48 |
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Bad sectors come up under SMART as two separate identities:
'Reallocated sectors' (my case) - this means the spare sectors on the drive designed for just this purpose take over from the bad sectors.
'Unrecoverable sectors' - this means the drive has used up all the spare sectors and there are now areas of the drive that cannot be accessed.
Only usually in the latter case do you experience any problems - but if you do have the latter case, you will get issues and need to replace the drive.
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4. October 2009 @ 15:03 |
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That clears things up. Thanks. Im gonna have to plug that drive in one day, see exactly what its problem is. Perhaps it would serve well for something...After a complete erasure, and reformat of course.
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