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29. April 2009 @ 08:27 |
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Agreed, they're both good chips, there's no denying it. Still, for the people that want the most out of a platform for that price, it's still going to be Intel, conditionally on if they want to overclock.
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but they both OC very well....
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19-25% versus 28-45%. There's well, and then there's very well.
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I, for one, am excited to see AMD return to the enthusiast level. I am extremely happy with the performance and overclocking of my Phenom II. I was also able to get 4GHz stable but only with 1.55v which means it gets pretty warm and sucks power like nobody's business, lol.
As far as brand preference, I am definitely an AMD/ATi guy. They offer high performance, decent value, chipsets as good as Intel's, and formidable overclocking. Intel/Nvidia have also released some smashing deals lately and I'm not opposed to using them if the price is right. In fact, my Phenom II was only a side-grade from my Q6600. I only made the switch because I was itching for a good AMD since the failure of Phenom XD
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Originally posted by sammorris:
130W is a rough approximation. Taking a 75% efficiency figure (PSU + Vreg) off the difference in load gives me 35W. Assuming the Q9650 uses 95W, 95+35=130W.
You'll notice they didn't undervolt the Core 2 to save energy, even though they could have. What difference does it make? Undervolting the AMD lets it do the same job and use less power doing it, I don't see what the problem is.
Also note, the Q9650 is merely in there because it's the CPU they happened to run the test with. The Q9550 results, while simulated, are amost identical to what an actual Q9550 would achieve.
The purpose of these 4 tests is to illustrate that there are 4 different situations where the power consumption was measured, and in each one, the AMD CPU was way behind the Intel power-wise.
I'll pass on reading what Anandtech has to say on this, but SPCR have one of the most thorough power testing methods I know, so I'll take their power results over anyone else's. Also, I think you're belittling the overclocking argument. True, not everybody does it, but I think you'd be surprised to find out just how many people do, when you start buying £200 CPUs.
Sam,
No offense, but I don't see how you can learn much by passing on a review from a company just because you don't much like them. I don't like SPCR very much either, but I still read their reviews of things. You can say what you like, but that's what's called "Skewing" a test! Especially when Anandtech uses software to test with, that many of us use every day, against a much smaller number of tests. You simply can't prove overall power consumption using that narrow a view! We pay for the power we consume, so why should someone go by 6 tests that include 4 rarely used Apps. Win RAR and ITunes are about the only really used Apps, and Win RAR isn't exactly used that often. I fail to see how those tests demonstrate the overall power efficiency of any CPU! I think it says a lot for AMD, that their efficiency, under load is better than what they were designed to compete against. Not by any huge amount, but still better I look at it this way, last year at this time, we wouldn't have even been having this conversation! LOL!!
AMD has come a long way in the past year, and have overcome their shortcomings to the point of finally being competitive with Intel. True, they can't match Core i7 yet, but the prices will have to drop, particularly for the motherboard, before you can even consider comparing Phenom II to Core i7. People that don't know diddly about computers are not going to spend $100 or more additional money for something they know little or nothing about!
I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out how many people overclock, but in the overall scheme of things, more than 90% of all computers sold are either never, or can't be overclocked, and come with OBG! Most of those people wouldn't know a PSU from a CPU cooler or a video card! Most people are afraid to take the side cover off! I recently went with a Dentist friend to buy some DDR for his office Dells. Even though I argued with him that I could get better memory for a lot less money, he was so reluctant to add them himself, he paid $270 for two no-name 512 sticks from Netseller in Riverside, just so I could install them for him while I was there! Crazy! Like most people, he's scared to death of anything inside inside the computer. My friend Fred (fredbun) was terrified during his entire build, as he had already wiped out his old HP computer just adding some more memory to it! In Fred's defense, the design of the case and the location of the DIMM slots on the motherboard, made it difficult for even an experienced technician to do right. Poor quality memory slots didn't help either. I know because I replaced a motherboard in the same model HP last year. I still can't believe that an intelligent person like this Doctor, would spend $357 for a replacement Propitiatory HP motherboard, and then pay me to change them out. For the $507 he spent, I could have built him a much better computer than an Athlon 3800+ single core! Either a low cost AMD Dual core on a 780GX motherboard or a low cost Intel C2D would have rocked his world, for less money! His comment was, "But it's an HP", like it was something to be "Revered"! Ah, the power of advertising! ROFLMSOAO
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His comment was, "But it's an HP", like it was something to be "Revered"! Ah, the power of advertising! ROFLMSOAO
you know Russ some people just don't know what there buying these days...hold it I know (store bought) pc's limited to upgrading in some factors...hey I did'nt tell u when...i picked up the Tpower I45 and the Q9400 for my co-worker's build...at micro center the saleman beside the other saleman behind the counter tryed to Con me into putting the cpu on the board and test it for $19.95 extra...I throw some old slang on him about a few programs like sandra and others,,and he did'nt even know nothing of what...i was saying or never heard of it...I blow his mind he was lost...lol it's funny when you go in a computer store like micro center,,etc and pick up a few parts and you know more than the saleman does and he looks at like you should be working there some of the stuff..I see people buy...I fell sorry for cause they don't know what there getting or they don't know how to read reviews or don't care...and saleman there just for a comission sale
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Originally posted by bigwill68:
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His comment was, "But it's an HP", like it was something to be "Revered"! Ah, the power of advertising! ROFLMSOAO
you know Russ some people just don't know what there buying these days...hold it I know (store bought) pc's limited to upgrading in some factors...hey I did'nt tell u when...i picked up the Tpower I45 and the Q9400 for my co-worker's build...at micro center the saleman beside the other saleman behind the counter tryed to Con me into putting the cpu on the board and test it for $19.95 extra...I throw some old slang on him about a few programs like sandra and others,,and he did'nt even know nothing of what...i was saying or never heard of it...I blow his mind he was lost...lol it's funny when you go in a computer store like micro center,,etc and pick up a few parts and you know more than the saleman does and he looks at like you should be working there some of the stuff..I see people buy...I fell sorry for cause they don't know what there getting or they don't know how to read reviews or don't care...and saleman there just for a comission sale
Will,
Still not a bad idea, for a merchant like Micro-Center. It doesn't have to be fancy or include all the testing we do, but just to be sure if it works properly. It would save a lot of returns!
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lol it's funny when you go in a computer store like micro center,,etc and pick up a few parts and you know more than the saleman does and he looks at like you should be working there some of the stuff..I see people buy...I fell sorry for cause they don't know what there getting or they don't know how to read reviews or don't care...and saleman there just for a comission sale
HAHA LOL!!! When I went to get my 22" widescreen at best buy, the salesman tried to convince me that a 24" would make my computer perform better. I started in about how higher resolution equates to worse performance and how I was buying the 22" display specifically for the purpose of using mid-range video cards, etc. I think I lost him completely when I told him I already had a 24" lol. He was like WTF then why are you buying a smaller monitor? It blew his mind when I told him I had 3 PCs LOL!
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
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lol it's funny when you go in a computer store like micro center,,etc and pick up a few parts and you know more than the saleman does and he looks at like you should be working there some of the stuff..I see people buy...I fell sorry for cause they don't know what there getting or they don't know how to read reviews or don't care...and saleman there just for a comission sale
HAHA LOL!!! When I went to get my 22" widescreen at best buy, the salesman tried to convince me that a 24" would make my computer perform better. I started in about how higher resolution equates to worse performance and how I was buying the 22" display specifically for the purpose of using mid-range video cards, etc. I think I lost him completely when I told him I already had a 24" lol. He was like WTF then why are you buying a smaller monitor? It blew his mind when I told him I had 3 PCs LOL!
Got my 9800GTX today. It's a Zotac 9800GTX+ AMP! Edition. It handles Crysis admirably at 1680 x 1050 in my dual core AMD rig. All high with DX9 "Cheap" Very High minus sunshafts. 23FPS minimum,36FPS average, high of 43FPS on the benchmark. That's the similar to my 8800GTS 512MB on my quad core Intel rig. Except the quad core rig is even using performance mods XD The X2 7750 BE is turning out to be a solid dual core performer. It puts up well against comparable mid range dual core Intels in benchmarks and even plays games like the more expensive dual Intels. It's not even Phenom II based and I'm very surprised with its performance.
Estuansis,
I hate to tell you this, but if the Native resolution of that 22" monitor is 1680x1050, it's a terrible choice! They don't seem to make many in higher resolutions. The problem is the increase in the amount of area on the screen that does nothing, is huge. You would be far better off getting one of these, but it's a 21.5 with a very low 0.248mm Pixel Pitch, compared to 0.282mm for the 22" ones!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051
They bother my eyes. That 2" stretch for 1680x1050 is just too much. You can get the contrast right and get it all set up, and it just never looks quite sharp enough. It has a soft quality to the picture, that I just don't like, and it's hard to read print on! Pixel Pitch isn't everything, but I've compared one to my Sceptre, with it's slightly better SPVA screen, with the Asus also plugged into my video card, and I want one! I would be perfect for me, as I don't have a very big room. I tried a friends 24", but it totally overwhelmed me! Too big for the space. Games are another story as it's great for games.
Seriously though, If you just bought it and it's resolution is 1680x1050, consider taking it back and get that Asus. The aspect ratio is a perfect 16x9, and the picture quality is crystal clear. I would call the color, "Lush"! It's just a much better monitor, and free shipping makes it a great buy! I want one! Asus also has one that lacks an idle mode to save energy, that you have to shut off manually or the light blinks at you forever, for $10 less!
Both give you VGA and DVI and HDMI cables I already have to turn my monitor off anyway, so I wouldn't have to change anything from what I do now! Also free shipping!
Best Regards,
Russ
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Lol, a perfect 16x9? I much prefer 16x10 for games as it's more widely supported.
16x10 22" monitors at 1680x1050 look fine. The picture will only go "soft" if they aren't run at their native resolution or if they're run over VGA.
Russ: The SPCR test was never intended for performance measurement, I was using it for more accurate power consumption figures.
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I use iTunes every day from. The moment I turn on my pc to the moment I shut off, and I use winrar a good few times a day, Sam you got a link to those spcr review so I can check it out?
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Lol, a perfect 16x9? I much prefer 16x10 for games as it's more widely supported.
16x10 22" monitors at 1680x1050 look fine. The picture will only go "soft" if they aren't run at their native resolution or if they're run over VGA.
Russ: The SPCR test was never intended for performance measurement, I was using it for more accurate power consumption figures.
Sam,
I think in the overall picture, they are only taking on the highest power usage apps as examples. I fail to see how they can judge overall power consumption that way. As they said in the article, The AMD Phenom II 955 used less watts in the majority of the tests Anandtech ran. I believe there was 26 in all! Based on that statement, and backed by their review and tests, I would guess that there wouldn't be a nickel's worth of difference, between one or the other in everyday use!
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ok for a sec lets dismiss SPCR and anandtech, what do other sites such as xbits labs/bit-tech hexus, etc say?
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
I use iTunes every day from. The moment I turn on my pc to the moment I shut off, and I use winrar a good few times a day, Sam you got a link to those spcr review so I can check it out?
Shaff,
Playing iTunes is different! LOL!! I use winrar a lot myself, with most files being 50-60MB and more. I sent Gina the ISO for XP-64 bit that I had winrar split into 7 parts. The whole process took about 2 hours with sendthisfile.com. If I had sent it in one big 588MB file, they would have throttled it so bad it would have taken about 7 hours all together! Either that or the transfer failed at 97% done! This way keeping the parts below 100MB, they barely get throttled at all. I also got free use of another service Gina belongs to. Grasshopper, or something like that. It worked more like File Hosting service's do. In fact, it had been a file hosting service that the Government busted along with about 40 others for porn. After the charges were dropped because they were clean, I guess they decided to use their website in a much different way. They also don't do on-line storage. It sends, it's gone! LOL!! Sendthisfile is faster, but between the two of them, it wasn't bad. I also got to spend a couple of hours with my Gal in Chicago on the computer, yakking with her! She's just come up with some serious life changing health issues, caused by her Diabetes. She used to be around AD as gina3XOXOXO. I built her a computer about 3 years ago! Sweet gal, but way too young at 37, to have to deal with it this!
As far as the SPCR goes, I think their testing for power consumption is terribly flawed! I fail to see any way that you can consider 6 tests that are known to run poorly on an AMD, in terms of wattage consumption. I don't dispute the results, I dispute the conclusion they came to, based on their methodology in testing! What's the point when you only look for known bads? That's what I meant when I told Sam about the tests being Skewed!
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
ok for a sec lets dismiss SPCR and anandtech, what do other sites such as xbits labs/bit-tech hexus, etc say?
Shaff,
I'm looking already! LOL!! Opps, here's one! bit-tech.net
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/20...ition-cpu-am3/1 Fairly precise and I agree 100% with their overall conclusions for the 955's position and future!
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The Bit-Tech report is a fairly precise article, but is nonetheless one that proves SPCR right Power-wise.
Why would SPCR only choose the most power-demanding apps to run the system with? iTunes? Not likely to be one of them I don't suspect.
Besides, a test known to run poorly on AMDs? TMPegEnc? Last time I checked, video compression was something AMDs were good at!
What's also interesting about the Bit-Tech review is the idle consumption of the 945 and 955 vs the 940 and 920, it's a full 18W higher, resting (albeit negligibly) above the Q9450 and Q9550.
Hehe, ouch at the 9950BE's c. 170W power consumption! :O
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I hate to tell you this, but if the Native resolution of that 22" monitor is 1680x1050, it's a terrible choice! They don't seem to make many in higher resolutions. The problem is the increase in the amount of area on the screen that does nothing, is huge. You would be far better off getting one of these, but it's a 21.5 with a very low 0.248mm Pixel Pitch, compared to 0.282mm for the 22" ones!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051
I have to disagree. The image quality is quite good, beyond my expectations, and is certainly passable for taking to LANs. I know the pixel density isn't ideal but it's not a problem. Text is very crisp. It even has a 2500:1 contrast ratio. I couldn't turn it down for $159.99!
That 1080P HD res monitor is an excellent deal though. It's tempting, but I think I'll be happier with the lower resolution as it's for use with mid-range video cards so I can enjoy newer games with them. Both the 9800GTX and the 8800GTS 512MB do struggle a bit with newer games at 1920 res.
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The Bit-Tech report is a fairly precise article, but is nonetheless one that proves SPCR right Power-wise.
Why would SPCR only choose the most power-demanding apps to run the system with? iTunes? Not likely to be one of them I don't suspect.
Besides, a test known to run poorly on AMDs? TMPegEnc? Last time I checked, video compression was something AMDs were good at!
What's also interesting about the Bit-Tech review is the idle consumption of the 945 and 955 vs the 940 and 920, it's a full 18W higher, resting (albeit negligibly) above the Q9450 and Q9550.
Hehe, ouch at the 9950BE's c. 170W power consumption! :O
Sam,
As you say, the difference is negligible. You are not understanding my meaning on those 6 tests. I know the AMD's compress video very well, but you were complaining about the wattage consumed during that particular test. All I'm saying is that for the differences in wattage, especially since we are not talking huge differences here, to judge power consumption of a chip overall, dictates that a lot more than 6 tests are needed to get a clearer, more accurate picture of overall power consumption for any chip. I guess it just depends on the apps used for the tests. I did notice the the x2 7750BE does quite well. In idle power consumption, it finished tied for third with the i7 920, while under load, it finished second, 5w behind the E8400. In turn the 7750BE uses 5w less at idle than the Q9550, and 32w less under load. I only mention that because we had speculated on the power requirements of the of the Kuma at one time.
From the brain dead department!
Normally when you buy a motherboard and install the memory, you usually have to raise the DDR2 voltage and then do the rest of the setup. I always wondered why the EPP mode was there, but lightened out. But if you set the voltage to normal, you can then turn on the EPP and let the memory chips themselves control the parameters of the memory voltage and timings. It makes a considerable difference in performance and memory bandwidth, using EPP! It's just so unnatural to leave the DDR2 voltage alone! LOL!!
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Russ
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Agreed, and as stated I would rather a 22" 1680x1050 than 1920x1080 for gaming. A 22" 1920x1200, different story!
Russ: So the X2 7750 only uses 5W less at idle than a quad, and you say that AMDs are power efficient?
We've agreed the performance of AMD vs Intel is a close match, but you're not going to fool anyone that the AMD chips are remotely efficient.
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30. April 2009 @ 19:54 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Agreed, and as stated I would rather a 22" 1680x1050 than 1920x1080 for gaming. A 22" 1920x1200, different story!
Russ: So the X2 7750 only uses 5W less at idle than a quad, and you say that AMDs are power efficient?
We've agreed the performance of AMD vs Intel is a close match, but you're not going to fool anyone that the AMD chips are remotely efficient.
Sam,
Well, they are apparently more efficient than all but one of dual cores as well. I mean it did finish third at idle and beat every other dual core doing it. Under load it finished second to the only dual core to beat it, the E8400, and that was only by 5w. Besides the i7 920 has 3 of it's 4 cores turned way down or off at idle. When you apply the load, the 920 zooms to 196w, 52w more than the Kuma at 147w. I would say that the Kuma is very power efficient compared to the competition!
With the 22" LCD Monitors, every inexpensive 1680x1050 22" I've ever used, was no match for the picture quality of my 20.1" Sceptre, at the same resolution. It bothers my eyes, just to sit at a 22" for very long!
Russ
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30. April 2009 @ 20:02 |
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I think you had bad monitors, it isn't inherently the screen size at fault. You can also do a lot better still than Sceptre as well.
From Bit-Tech
Idle: 5400+ 97W, 6000+ 98W, E5200 101W, 7850BE 125W, 7750BE 128W (24-27W / 24-27% more)
Load: E5200 133W, 7750/7850BE 186W, 5400+ 187, 6000+ 194W (53W / 40% more)
Quad cores
Idle: X4 940 98W, Q9550 108W, Q9550-DDR3 114W, X4 955 115W
Load: Q9550 DDR3 177W, X4 940 187W, X4 955 217W
Also, comparing a midrange dual core to a top-end enthusiast grade Quad core. It's very efficient compared to the 'competition', if that's what you think the competition is.
Come on man, just accept it. The AMDs are fine for performance, but at power efficiency they are real dogs. You've been avoiding facts and misrepresenting data for several posts now. If I ever do that (even if by accident), I get slammed for it, especially at Hexus.
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30. April 2009 @ 21:25 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I think you had bad monitors, it isn't inherently the screen size at fault. You can also do a lot better still than Sceptre as well.
From Bit-Tech
Idle: 5400+ 97W, 6000+ 98W, E5200 101W, 7850BE 125W, 7750BE 128W (24-27W / 24-27% more)
Load: E5200 133W, 7750/7850BE 186W, 5400+ 187, 6000+ 194W (53W / 40% more)
Quad cores
Idle: X4 940 98W, Q9550 108W, Q9550-DDR3 114W, X4 955 115W
Load: Q9550 DDR3 177W, X4 940 187W, X4 955 217W
Also, comparing a midrange dual core to a top-end enthusiast grade Quad core. It's very efficient compared to the 'competition', if that's what you think the competition is.
Come on man, just accept it. The AMDs are fine for performance, but at power efficiency they are real dogs. You've been avoiding facts and misrepresenting data for several posts now. If I ever do that (even if by accident), I get slammed for it, especially at Hexus.
Sam,
I can't see how I could have misrepresented anything. I just quoted the reviews from bit-tech-net. Which was only 1 of two reviews I could find at the moment! All I quoted was the data they reported! I didn't compare a mid-range dual core to a top-end enthusiast grade Quad core, it's just the way the numbers shook out. According to bit-tech-net the 7750BE uses 4 watts less at idle, and 5 watts more under load than the E8500. I did mention the fact the the E8500 beat it under load. I would expect any dual core to do well compared to the quads in power consumption. I only brought the 7750BE up because we had discussed power consumption of it a month or so back. I also compared it to the E8500! I don't see anything un-fair doing that! I'll be more than happy to post the pics from the reviews, since my statements were direct quotes from them! No one has slammed me yet, over my statements!
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Russ
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30. April 2009 @ 21:55 |
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The X2 7750 BE is pretty sweet, I've been using Core 2 Duos and Quads for a while and it still doesn't feel slow to me. It's well capable in gaming and runs cool.
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30. April 2009 @ 23:06 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
The X2 7750 BE is pretty sweet, I've been using Core 2 Duos and Quads for a while and it still doesn't feel slow to me. It's well capable in gaming and runs cool.
Estuansis,
That's been my finding too! I'm very happy about the way it runs, especially after I figured out how to enable EPP! Everything is working the way it's supposed to, and that's what counts!
Russ
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