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1. May 2009 @ 00:52 |
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Myself...I wouldnt buy it. But, for the right people, this looks like a wonderful new technology, and from a reputable manufacturer no less! The reason I wouldn't buy it, is because I see the ability for a computer to do that. And I have multiple computers that are up to that task (HTPC). A computer can be taught to do virtually ANYTHING.
Dont get me wrong, I smiled at that little piece of technology. Especially coming from western digital :D A very good price too. I suppose it really depends on a persons situation, whether this is really the best idea FOR THEM. I imagine the price is VERY tempting for a lot of people. Its sure a lot better than building an HTPC, when all one needs is the capabilities that that device does, out of the box!
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1. May 2009 @ 01:47 |
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omegaman7..I've got my Computer hooked up to my TV, but not able to select what movie to watch unless I put them in a play list in VLC. This is not really a solution as with a remote to select a movie randomly
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LOL. I can appreciate that :) Actually, Dragon naturally speaking is a wonderful program. Once its up and running(Usually pretty quickly), its generally pretty smooth running. And Windows 7 ultimate comes ready an able with speech recognition. Haven't played with the windows 7 version much yet, but it showed some promise :D
As I said, it depends on a persons situation. I can see the necessity for some people :) Heck, I might buy a couple for gifts possibly :D
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I'll be honest, I'm actually more impressed with the X2 7850, despite its small clock speed increase (though the 7750 is ludicrously cheap now to try and keep competitive with the E5200, it's down below a quarter of the cost of a Q9550 at only £49)
The 7850 is a powerful chip for £57. The E5300, whilst probably a slightly faster CPU, really only has the merits of its efficiency and overclocking to go on to justify costing £15 more.
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1. May 2009 @ 05:02 |
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But the e5300 gets beaten in games and the 7850 can of very well aswell
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I have been eyeing up the wdtv media player for acouplemonths. It's fantastic for £80, and I want one so badly, esp with mkv support. That swayed me. When rent is paid for my new house in June, if I have money, I'm buying that. But this isthe wrong thread for us to be discussing that :)
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1. May 2009 @ 05:55 |
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True, the E5200 needs to be run at 3.3Ghz to beat the 7750, 3.35Ghz to beat the 7850 and 3.55Ghz to beat it at max overclock (Far Cry 2) Neither are particularly mean feats though, it just means the AMD is the better stock performer. (Personally, on this basis I think Intel should really cut the price of the E5300 a bit)
Turn up the heat further in Crysis and the situation changes a little. The E5200 only need be at 2.7Ghz beat the 7750, 2.85Ghz to beat the 7850, and 3.15Ghz to beat the 7850 at max overclock. Even so, outside overclocking, a £50 AMD needs an £80 Intel to counter it, and a £60 AMD needs a £100 Intel to counter it.
Also, I see you post 'can oc very well' for just about anything these days, including a CPU that can't even manage a 10% overclock. I guess you've forgotten that even P4 Prescotts clocked better than that.
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1. May 2009 @ 05:56 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I'll be honest, I'm actually more impressed with the X2 7850, despite its small clock speed increase (though the 7750 is ludicrously cheap now to try and keep competitive with the E5200, it's down below a quarter of the cost of a Q9550 at only £49)
The 7850 is a powerful chip for £57. The E5300, whilst probably a slightly faster CPU, really only has the merits of its efficiency and overclocking to go on to justify costing £15 more.
Sam,
I do like the 7750BE, but I'm going to have to RMA it, and get a new one. It was acting flaky with the UD4H I sent back. I was just hoping it was the duff motherboard causing the problem. It wasn't! With the old motherboard it all of a sudden, for no reason I could find, it never would run at 3.2gHz anymore, no matter what changes you make in the settings. I think part of it is the CPU temperature sensor in the CPU, because it keeps failing at lower and lower temps. I've checked the temps with Overdrive and they are spot on with Everest. It tripped out today on me while I was encoding. Motherboard was at 39C and the CPU was at 42C. It's done a few other strange things as well, like not posting, even at below stock speed. Jumper the CMOS pins for a few seconds, and do the setup again! Since every thing else has been changed, the only thing left to change is the CPU! LOL!! It doesn't give any trouble with the x2 2.6GHz 4800+ in it either! It's easier to list what I haven't replaced, as it's shorter! The Case, PSU and two fans! It's been a strange year!
My luck with processors has usually been good, so this time I got one on the low end! I guess it was bound to happen. Even the E6750 I replaced, hit 3.7GHz easy, before I sold it. AMD surprised me, and since their password thing would not work no matter how many times I tried it, I sent Tech an email, which was answered this morning, requesting my address, phone number, the model CPU and the serial number. It's already being processed! I wish I could make a deal for the 7850BE, but I don't guess they would do that! It's only $10 more than the 7750BE!
Russ
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1. May 2009 @ 06:32 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
True, the E5200 needs to be run at 3.3Ghz to beat the 7750, 3.35Ghz to beat the 7850 and 3.55Ghz to beat it at max overclock (Far Cry 2) Neither are particularly mean feats though, it just means the AMD is the better stock performer. (Personally, on this basis I think Intel should really cut the price of the E5300 a bit)
Turn up the heat further in Crysis and the situation changes a little. The E5200 only need be at 2.7Ghz beat the 7750, 2.85Ghz to beat the 7850, and 3.15Ghz to beat the 7850 at max overclock. Even so, outside overclocking, a £50 AMD needs an £80 Intel to counter it, and a £60 AMD needs a £100 Intel to counter it.
Also, I see you post 'can oc very well' for just about anything these days, including a CPU that can't even manage a 10% overclock. I guess you've forgotten that even P4 Prescotts clocked better than that.
Sam,
I have no idea what you are referring to about a 10% OC. You know what? This is just getting silly. It's like playing If, And or But! The fact is, it doesn't matter to me. I just don't care!
This thread was created for people interested in building AMD's! It doesn't say "Intel vs AMD", so lets get this thread back on track and forget the whole darn thing!
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Turn up the heat further in Crysis and the situation changes a little. The E5200 only need be at 2.7Ghz beat the 7750, 2.85Ghz to beat the 7850, and 3.15Ghz to beat the 7850 at max overclock. Even so, outside overclocking, a £50 AMD needs an £80 Intel to counter it, and a £60 AMD needs a £100 Intel to counter it.
You do see the humor in that quote, I hope. What's next? Pie charts and graphs? LOL!! Enough already, it all getting to silly! You have to admit, figuring that all out, is just a tad over the top, with way more math than I care to do! When it gets to the point that we have to figure out at what speed which processor does what and beats who, it's time to call it quits! This isn't the thread for it!
Respectfully,
Russ
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Bad luck with the 7750 then, so far (touching wood) I haven't had any CPUs go bad on me. Heh, do try and push for the 7850 out of the RMA, but I think you know as well as I do what the outcome of that will be :(
As far as Intel vs AMD goes, indeed this isn't an AMD thread. However, to the non-regular, coming in here, especially reading your posts in particular, they will (wrongly) assume that there is simply no reaon to buy anything but an AMD CPU. The more false information goes on in here, the more AMDs are sold under false advertising on our part. Proper statistics show what the trends really are, I see no harm in posting them.
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1. May 2009 @ 08:11 |
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what's the max oc that the 7850 can reach?
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The highest I've seen one at is 3.1 so far. Seems a bit on the low side...
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The 7850 should be able to get higher than that. My 7750 hit 3.2 with relatively little effort. Reviews I've seen have the 7850 hitting 3.3 stable.
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Interesting, as Bit-Tech couldn't gleam much out of either...
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1. May 2009 @ 18:15 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Bad luck with the 7750 then, so far (touching wood) I haven't had any CPUs go bad on me. Heh, do try and push for the 7850 out of the RMA, but I think you know as well as I do what the outcome of that will be :(
I already got the RMA. You don't have to send the cooler back with it, so all that's needed for packing is a bubble wrap mailer, and use the original plastic container it came in. Cost's less to ship too!
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As far as Intel vs AMD goes, indeed this isn't an AMD thread. However, to the non-regular, coming in here, especially reading your posts in particular, they will (wrongly) assume that there is simply no reaon to buy anything but an AMD CPU. The more false information goes on in here, the more AMDs are sold under false advertising on our part. Proper statistics show what the trends really are, I see no harm in posting them.
I don't consider all the negative things you bring up about AMD, productive to this thread. You make it sound like we are trying to lure customers away from Intel, under false pretenses. Almost every person that's ever posted on this thread wanted to build an AMD to begin with. That's why they come here! They've had enough of being told what pieces of crap the AMD's are, when they ask questions about building one on the build thread. I hate to say it, but as the AMD's have crept up the ladder in performance, you've gotten a lot more outspoken in your opinions about AMD's shortcomings. The people that come here are looking for advice on the best bang for the buck in AMDs. They are not interested in building an Intel! We came here to get away from all the BS regarding AMD on other threads, so unless you want me to ask you to leave, enough already! It takes up too much time and space, and nobody wants to hear it! We just want to be left alone to discuss and build what we want to build, without having to hear all the negative crap, we came here to get away from! Anybody here that wants to second that, please post an "Agree"!
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Russ
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agreed! :) This is an AMD thread.
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1. May 2009 @ 18:37 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
The 7850 should be able to get higher than that. My 7750 hit 3.2 with relatively little effort. Reviews I've seen have the 7850 hitting 3.3 stable.
Estuansis,
I found this at 3.3 from AMD/Zone
I'm a bit puzzled why it doesn't overclock as well as the 7750BE. I know that when I first put mine together and went to overclock it, I set the multiplier to 17 and adjusted the voltage to 1.44v, and it ran fine. Unfortunately, I had video problems with the DS4H, so I never tried to go any higher with it, the 3.4 was easy! The cpu would only do 3.2 max in the next motherboard, a UD4H, and unfortunately suffered some CPU damage because of problems with the chipset. It's going back on Monday for a replacement!
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Russ
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1. May 2009 @ 18:48 |
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I can't really explain the 7850BE either, I'm sure I saw figures like 3.5Ghz when I first looked at the 7750, yet all I can find now is 3.1-3.3 ish.
As far as the negativity goes, a stronger than expected response than I was expecting for simply pointing out the power inefficiency of AMD CPUs, but I'll just treat this thread for what it really is, an enthusiasts and owners club, nothing more. Since nobody in this thread will be posting about them unless they do or will be buying one, then the fact that some of the beliefs about them are inaccurate will have no consequence. Since I am neither an AMD owner, nor do I take cover-ups and brush-asides lightly, there is little point me continuing any discussion here, especially since I have no first hand experience to go on. Thread unsubscribed.
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1. May 2009 @ 19:03 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
I can't really explain the 7850BE either, I'm sure I saw figures like 3.5Ghz when I first looked at the 7750, yet all I can find now is 3.1-3.3 ish.
As far as the negativity goes, a stronger than expected response than I was expecting for simply pointing out the power inefficiency of AMD CPUs, but I'll just treat this thread for what it really is, an enthusiasts and owners club, nothing more. Since nobody in this thread will be posting about them unless they do or will be buying one, then the fact that some of the beliefs about them are inaccurate will have no consequence. Since I am neither an AMD owner, nor do I take cover-ups and brush-asides lightly, there is little point me continuing any discussion here, especially since I have no first hand experience to go on. Thread unsubscribed.
These are your opinions, and your choice to leave!
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Russ
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lol since russ made sam leave, its liek AMD died :P
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They'll never die. Not so long as I draw breath LOL
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
lol since russ made sam leave, its liek AMD died :P
Shaff,
I never made Sam leave, that was his choice. I did suggest that if he didn't stop the Intel vs AMD, I would ask him to leave, but I have no authority to do so though! I mean how bad is it when the argument gets down to the efficiency of the system and how much wattage difference there is between the two systems. When it got down to how much you have to OC a given chip to out perform something else, it got just plain silly! Besides, it's a silly argument because in some places we are talking about as little as two watts! You could see that much variance between two random samples. I also considered it ludicrous considering that his two high power video cards draw more power than my entire computer!
It's not that the thread died, it's just until AMD's next release, there's not much to discuss that doesn't get mentioned on the build thread anyway! Pretty much everybody that was going to build an AMD has done so, so for the moment things have been quiet.
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25. May 2009 @ 02:28 |
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People come and go, sometime sadly so sometime not, just keep this thread alive, as it is as important as the pc building thread.
I side with AMD's mainly because of price, I'm not rich but at the same time will spend extra bucks if it's worth it, as good or better Intel might be over AMD I can't see spending double or sometime triple to gain a second or two of speed, I know there are many variations of the two but mostly people chose Intel over AMD because of speed, maybe if I was a huge gamer I might see it being worth to the the extra bucks but other than that it's kind of a no brainer to myself anyway.
In the end, sometimes a good heated discussion or argument brings out some of the best idea's in people.
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