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7. June 2009 @ 00:05 |
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Vlc player...Meh...I would try VirtualDubMod, you can go frame by frame. VERY nice when you want that EXACT frame. Im unaware of any players that will do this. However, they're probably out there.
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7. June 2009 @ 01:16 |
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Ha ha!!! Im running my secondary right next to my primary QUAD system. Sucker is considerably louder! Its due to a 120mm fan I added myself in the PCI area. Its possible, that its rubbing the grill. QUITE obnoxious LOL! Hmmm, tried loosening the screws. Did not help. I'll look into it ;)
Im installing windows 7 64bit RC on it as well. However, this time, its installing on the WD1001FALS! Should be very interesting LOL!
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7. June 2009 @ 02:07 |
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Hey Oman7,
I did some more adjusting in the setup! I increased the CPU NorthBridge Frequency to 11x so it's running a little over 2200NHz. I also set the HT Link Frequency to 2200MHZ. Everything else is the same! I didn't see any particular leap in any of the benchmarks, but I've go a nice fat memory bandwidth. The only real surprise id 3DMark 03. My best before with the default settings was 14692 3DMarks. Take a look at the healthy increase!
I'm going to go back and run it at 1680x1050 and see what it does! Then I'll try it with the AA turned on!
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7. June 2009 @ 03:51 |
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Oman7,
I went back and did the rest of the tests, and I am surprised!
1680x1050 no AA
I got 5245 3DMarks before!
1680x1050 AA
That's pretty amazing to me, as it scores almost as much with the AA turned on as without, at 1680x1050! It's given a healthy boost to the previous score of 7879 3DMarks. It certainly shows that something improves with my changes in the setup. Noticeable improvement in the speed of everything visual too! Windows finishes booting much quicker, and Firefox opens really fast compared to before, when you open it for the first time! I guess it shows that I'm still learning. So nobody yell at me for using 03 please, I use it because it's easier to see progress, either good or bad than it is with 06! It's faster at 06 too, but nowhere's near as much! Me Likey!
Russ
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7. June 2009 @ 04:27 |
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Very interesting results Russ! I'm sure you've said it repeatedly now but can you tell me all of your OC settings? I would very much like to replicate this with my own if I can :)
I'm sure the fact my own is using DDR2-800 instead of 1066 will give me different results for overall memory bandwidth. Can you think of any reason why my 7750 might not run your settings or was it simply a change of voltages and multis? i.e. no memory speed balancing act, etc.
Also, I know this doesn't apply much to you. But what kinds of gains have you seen in actual gaming with these new adjustments? Do you play anything semi-recent that has seen a decent improvement?
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7. June 2009 @ 05:06 |
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Well...I see russ is having a good time :)
I on the other hand, DARN IT! Windows 7 64bit is a no go. At least not without a full Disk format, and PROPER 64bit Usb Modem support. I don't believe the installation disk gives the option for full format. XP on the other hand DOES. Im figuring at current, that it will finish around 2hrs 45 min - 3 hrs, JUST to format the disk. It is a 1Tb drive after all. I dont normally do this(MUCH encoding to do), especially since I'll be picking up the 500GB AALS this week, and swapping for my brothers AAKS, to see what the heck is going on. If theres something wrong with the AAKS, it'll be going back to WD. It still has 4yrs til the warranty is up. And im 99% sure, that the HDD is causing his bottle neck!
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7. June 2009 @ 05:37 |
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I didn't mention the strangest bug of all. I dont know what caused it yet either. The bug, seemed to make windows fluctuate how much space was left on the drive. It would go from 1gb of free space left, to the proper 915gb of free space left. It would bounce all over the place. Rather unusual. Since its both a new drive, and it WAS a fresh install on a 1000Gb drive, as well as NOT having a FULL format, im not sure how to take this. Cause I SERIOUSLY doubt that its a processor or Ram issue. The Drive has just been deflowered LOL, so its probably something to do with it. I truly hope I dont have a lemon. Im gonna run some SERIOUS bench marks on it today. VERY serious!!!!
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7. June 2009 @ 05:46 |
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Man I dunno. I'm not much up-to-date on HDDs. All I know is: you get one, it works or it doesn't. I honestly don't see how there can be so much difference between 2 7200RPM SATA HDDs. AFAIK there's not that much variation. Is it because of the firmware on the drive or what? What makes them all so different? Please enlighten me :P
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7. June 2009 @ 05:53 |
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Far too many variables. Cache, size, number of platters, Mb/s, Firmware, etc. Gives me headaches just thinking about it LOL! Can't wait til solid state is perfected.
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7. June 2009 @ 07:14 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
Very interesting results Russ! I'm sure you've said it repeatedly now but can you tell me all of your OC settings? I would very much like to replicate this with my own if I can :)
I'm sure the fact my own is using DDR2-800 instead of 1066 will give me different results for overall memory bandwidth. Can you think of any reason why my 7750 might not run your settings or was it simply a change of voltages and multis? i.e. no memory speed balancing act, etc.
Also, I know this doesn't apply much to you. But what kinds of gains have you seen in actual gaming with these new adjustments? Do you play anything semi-recent that has seen a decent improvement?
Estuansis,
Actually, I have seen a difference in all the games I do play! Everything to do with the video is faster. I'm sure if I cranked up the video's overclock, it could do 20,000 in 3DMark 03! Not remarkable to the people with top end video cards, but impressive to me for a $44 one!
Before I can give you a sense of direction, based on my settings, I need to know if your memory is EPP memory. I need to know because mine is, and I let the EPP control the memory, memory voltage and memory timings. It works better that way, and I get a wider memory bandwidth!
I'll get my notes and get back with you, just let me know about the memory first.
Russ
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7. June 2009 @ 08:42 |
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XFire is what I use for my gaming PC, but I'm not letting it anywhere near my main PC. The game search adds significantly to boot up times, and it has several bugs which interfere with other programs.
Jeff: You don't print screen VLC, that will cause exactly what you said, you click 'take snapshot' in the menu.
Russ: Interesting, but still 3dmark03, so still irrelevant.
Omega: Why not quickformat the drive? That takes 10 seconds instead of 5 hours...
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7. June 2009 @ 12:51 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Omega: Why not quickformat the drive? That takes 10 seconds instead of 5 hours...
Because I wanted it to withstand the first LONG test LOL! Besides, given the bug that occurred in windows 7, I assumed it COULD be due to not having fully formated the drive? I still don't know that much about computers LOL! Usually, I do go quick format, but given its a virgin drive...
Better that a serious problem arise during a long format, than 3 months down the road when the drive is nearly full! LOL! Im gonna run yet another long test on it here in a moment. After I install its mobo drivers, utilities, etc. These large drives still make me a bit nervous LOL. Its a lot of data to lose all at once.
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7. June 2009 @ 12:55 |
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I have never full formatted a drive out of the two dozen or so I have owned, not once has that caused me a problem. It's more a test if you suspect the drive is faulty.
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7. June 2009 @ 13:00 |
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Thanks for the info. I had a feeling it wasn't necessary. But at least I know there were no problems across the entire platter/s. Now im gonna run the other bench's :D
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7. June 2009 @ 15:27 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Can't wait til solid state is perfected.
No problems here, in fact there was just a firmware update which improved ease of installation and overall speed. My 30GB drive is the right size for an OS drive and since I have another (5) hard drive in this machine I offload the page file, and my IE and FFox temp folders to them to decrease writes to the SSD and also to speed things up.
On topic...whats the sweet spot in price and performance now for AMD mobo+CPU. I dont think I want to upgrade to AM3 yet and I need a combo for my 17 yr old son.
I have everything else, i just need that mobo+cpu combo to finish the build. TIA
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7. June 2009 @ 16:12 |
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Before I can give you a sense of direction, based on my settings, I need to know if your memory is EPP memory. I need to know because mine is, and I let the EPP control the memory, memory voltage and memory timings. It works better that way, and I get a wider memory bandwidth!
Yep yep. OCZ Platinum. EPP Ready. Board has an EPP option. Really just tell me your exact settings and we'll see if my 780G board is tolerant of it eh?
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You don't print screen VLC, that will cause exactly what you said, you click 'take snapshot' in the menu.
Aha thank you very much. Big help :P
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Why not quickformat the drive? That takes 10 seconds instead of 5 hours...
I always fully format a drive for its virgin install. After that I do use quick format as it's infinitely faster :P
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On topic...whats the sweet spot in price and performance now for AMD mobo+CPU. I dont think I want to upgrade to AM3 yet and I need a combo for my 17 yr old son.
I have everything else, i just need that mobo+cpu combo to finish the build. TIA
I would personally get him a Phenom II X2 550 and a Gigabyte MA-78G-DS3HP or an MA-770-UD3. Those boards seem to be the best as far as price/features and are easy to build with. Plus it should be a fairly cheap build for the relative speed at stock. Though both might need a BIOS update. My MA-78G-DS3HP did for the 7750 BE. Just throw a cheap AM2 CPU into it. I'm not sure if they even work at all with new CPUs without an update or if the board just detects then wrong or what. I never found out as I had my 5000+ laying around :P
Haha at 17 you should be forcing him to learn computers. I did my first build at 16 :P
I'm gonna wait for Solid State to become mainstream and for the drive sizes to increase before I jump on it. I want it only when they've worked out all the kinks and released a 500GB+ drive :P
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7. June 2009 @ 16:52 |
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So far, my secondary Amd system is running quite well. The WD1001FALS 1Tb drive is loading xp super quick, very streamlined, and its averaging 100Mbs read speed on a bench, and im over half way across the disk (Linear Read) via Everest. I cannot hear the drive running. My fans are not too loud, In fact, the Haf 932 is now slightly noisier. But im not picky when it comes to computer noises, so long as they're normal, and don't keep me awake at night LOL! My secondary system is as follows.
Athlon 5200, WD 1TB Fals drive (OS), MSI - K9N6SGM-V (or)MS-7309 Barebone, Lite-on burners LH-20A1H and iHAP422, Corsair 400W(CMPSU-400CX)PSU, 2 x 2gb Kingston HyperX 6400 Cas5.
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7. June 2009 @ 17:08 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
XFire is what I use for my gaming PC, but I'm not letting it anywhere near my main PC. The game search adds significantly to boot up times, and it has several bugs which interfere with other programs.
Jeff: You don't print screen VLC, that will cause exactly what you said, you click 'take snapshot' in the menu.
Russ: Interesting, but still 3dmark03, so still irrelevant.
Omega: Why not quickformat the drive? That takes 10 seconds instead of 5 hours...
Sam,
Don't you read? LOL!! For what I use it for, it's very relevant! It's a tool! I use it to show any improvements as I'm adjusting things. It's much easier to see improvements with, than 06 as it's scale is much broader. Even major changes yield almost no change with 06, so it's difficult to tell if you have improved anything testing with it. It's not about the video performance 03 reports. It just shows me if I'm improving things. If the numbers go up, it's something I've improved. If they go down, then I'm going the wrong direction. It better reflects small changes than 03 does. It's not like I'm trying to falsely compete with the high dollar video cards! ROFL!
Best Regards,
Russ
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7. June 2009 @ 17:10 |
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Of course I read, but it still isn't relevant. 3dmark03 is designed to compare to games even older/simpler than the ones you do. 3dmark05 is a more suitable really. Don't forget, even 3dmark06 is out of date now. The reason the results vary is because 3dmark03 is completely meaningless with modern hardware, the numbers don't add up properly. Minor changes equal massive number increases. Great, but real world performance will be nothing like what 3dmark tells you.
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7. June 2009 @ 17:40 |
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i want to make a micro ATX BE 550x2 system to replace my E5200 system. if only i had money :(
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7. June 2009 @ 18:01 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Of course I read, but it still isn't relevant. 3dmark03 is designed to compare to games even older/simpler than the ones you do. 3dmark05 is a more suitable really. Don't forget, even 3dmark06 is out of date now. The reason the results vary is because 3dmark03 is completely meaningless with modern hardware, the numbers don't add up properly. Minor changes equal massive number increases. Great, but real world performance will be nothing like what 3dmark tells you.
Sam,
I use it because of those massive increases. It indicates improvement, no matter how skewed it is. 06's numbers are so tight that it's hard to tell if you improved anything. The numbers themselves are meaningless!
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7. June 2009 @ 18:13 |
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I would personally get him a Phenom II X2 550 and a Gigabyte MA-78G-DS3HP or an MA-770-UD3
Estuansis,
Neither of those boards have a 750 SouthBridge, so they would be a poorer choice for the Phenom II 550! You need a 790GX chipset to take advantage of all the Bells and Whistles the 550 has!
Russ
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7. June 2009 @ 18:19 |
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The only thing they are missing is the SB750 southbridge and, with it, ACC. But I doubt that's a system that will be highly overclocked or pushed to any degree. They will support the Phenom II chips though and will still OC them quite well if one would choose to. And if you truely wanted to go for bells and whistles, get a 790FX ;P
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7. June 2009 @ 18:39 |
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I'll be honest, the numbers are tight for a reason, you're not getting a huge improvement, which is right, you won't be for 5% clock speed increases.
Agreed on the chipsets, 770 or 790FX for me.
Shaff: If only you had money? What happened to the £700 you earned selling your other PC and buying the small one?
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7. June 2009 @ 18:49 |
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