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26. June 2013 @ 11:21 |
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http://www.gamersbliss.com/2012/02/21/c...layer%E2%80%A6/
Sorry for the double but this article is awesome. It further reinforces my points about CoD. Even the weakest game in the series, World at War, had an outstanding campaign with unforgettable characters and set pieces. Too bad WaW's only truly good looking scene is the fountain scene. It is literally better textured and composed than the rest of the game.
The multiplayer has made everyone ignore some of the best FPS campaigns ever. All of them are worth playing. United Offensive(CoD 1 expansion), Black Ops and MW2 are especially good.
Also, Daniel_K has released his hacked Creative sound chip drivers for Windows 8 with some minor updates for the other OS's as well. My good old X-Fi Xtreme Music has never had an issue with any game, ever, period, lol. It's over 6 years old and still sounds like honey :)
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26. June 2013 @ 17:47 |
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I was hoping perhaps that the Google affiliation would go some way to diminish the impact of Asus' terrible build quality on the Nexus 7.
Clearly that is not the case, and right on cue, our 6 months of 'Asus time' is up.
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Is that a result of external damage or simply happened on its own?
My ASUS monitor has been fine going on 2 years now, so I guess I can't complain much. I would imagine mine is a case of ASUS simply slapping a badge on another mfg's product. AFAIK the panel is a Samsung or a Viewsonic. Above and beyond what I actually paid for that's for sure. Excellent monitor.
Honestly I couldn't care less about tablets. Sure, they're dead useful, but their power and flexibility are limited. IMO the only tablet OS currently worth using is Windows 8 due to reasons of compatibility and customization. In relative terms, Windows 8 is very open and easy to modify on the fly compared to say iOS or Android. It also has the added advantage of being compatible with the last ~15 years worth of software that is miles higher quality and more powerful than any "App". It also eliminates a lot of the learning curve and allows direct software compatibility with most desktop PCs. In that regard, I consider Windows 8 somewhat of a major win for mobile computing. I do have to give credit where it's due, Windows 8 is not shoddily made, only the UI is, haha.
My iPad 2 went bye bye after iOS 5.1 killed a 3 month old battery from about 10-12 hours of movies, gaming, and youtube down to maybe 3 if you don't do anything intensive. It also disabled features and forced others to be "always on". I knew the risks, I knew Apple's reputation, but it was a great deal brand new from a friend and I needed a portable Google machine. The running theory is that Apple were selective about what hardware was "broken" by the update in an attempt to force more users to upgrade. It happened to my wonderful iPod Touch 3 as well when iOS 5.0 came out, which was what prompted the purchase of the iPad 2. I loved that iPod. Apple's proprietary hardware has the potential to be exceptional at times, downright terrible other times. Most of their products are kinda mediocre.
Basically, I'm not surprised you got burned in the tablet game, Sam. They aren't worried about quality products or supporting them. They want to force you to constantly upgrade and make you into a steady source of income. I'm not sure if there is a truly good quality tablet. Samsung are the best I know of, but... Android. Not saying Android is bad but it has most of the same limitations inherent of iOS.
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27. June 2013 @ 03:31 |
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This is a defect, not accident damage. It varies depending on how the device is moved, it is not a static corruption of the image.
so far, my Samsung-manufactured Nexus 10, which is older than this 7, is flawless.
As for tablets in general, Android or iOS is the only way to get decent battery life. With Windows 8 you're confined to the 3 hours ish of a regular laptop.
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27. June 2013 @ 03:55 |
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That's the sad truth of it. Too bad both iOS and Android kinda suck. Android isn't nearly as bad though, I'll give it that. Interested in a Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3.
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27. June 2013 @ 04:48 |
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But then you have TouchWiz to contend with, which IMO is a pretty poor user interface. The relatively powerful hardware in those devices is reduced to an absolute crawl by TouchWiz.
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27. June 2013 @ 14:48 |
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sam you actually have genuine problems with ASUS hahaha.
all their products bite you in the behind!
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27. June 2013 @ 14:52 |
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This doesn't actually belong to me, but it is in the family, and I did technically buy it as a christmas present.
This is a bit of a better illustration of the fault:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWNhWO_U14c
It has occurred to me that it could be a fault with the GPU - nvidia's mobile GPUs were known for producing stuff like this in the past, albeit on all of the screen not just one half.
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27. June 2013 @ 14:56 |
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I may give Asus a shot again one day. I'll definitely make sure to save all the warranty related material. I've owned a few Asus products. No problems. But only one motherboard. And that was around a time when they were VERY agreeable.
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27. June 2013 @ 21:32 |
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The last ASUS motherboard I ever used was my M2N32SLI-Deluxe. This was of course on the excellent nForce 590 SLI chipset and back when ASUS took true pride in their products. Heh, both Nvidia and ASUS have come a long way from that excellent motherboard. Too bad nForce 6 was such crap. It dragged down otherwise good boards.
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27. June 2013 @ 23:50 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
The last ASUS motherboard I ever used was my M2N32SLI-Deluxe. This was of course on the excellent nForce 590 SLI chipset and back when ASUS took true pride in their products. Heh, both Nvidia and ASUS have come a long way from that excellent motherboard. Too bad nForce 6 was such crap. It dragged down otherwise good boards.
Agreed. I had more than 2 Nforce chipsets overheat, rendering the board/s useless :( I certainly hope that is in the past!
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28. June 2013 @ 02:47 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
The last ASUS motherboard I ever used was my M2N32SLI-Deluxe. This was of course on the excellent nForce 590 SLI chipset and back when ASUS took true pride in their products. Heh, both Nvidia and ASUS have come a long way from that excellent motherboard. Too bad nForce 6 was such crap. It dragged down otherwise good boards.
Agreed. I had more than 2 Nforce chipsets overheat, rendering the board/s useless :( I certainly hope that is in the past!
Given that nvidia were banned from making chipsets for desktop boards, I'd say that it is :)
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28. June 2013 @ 06:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Originally posted by Estuansis:
The last ASUS motherboard I ever used was my M2N32SLI-Deluxe. This was of course on the excellent nForce 590 SLI chipset and back when ASUS took true pride in their products. Heh, both Nvidia and ASUS have come a long way from that excellent motherboard. Too bad nForce 6 was such crap. It dragged down otherwise good boards.
Agreed. I had more than 2 Nforce chipsets overheat, rendering the board/s useless :( I certainly hope that is in the past!
Given that nvidia were banned from making chipsets for desktop boards, I'd say that it is :)
Ha ha, good to know :)
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28. June 2013 @ 12:09 |
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That's a funny story all on its own. Nvidia basically accused Intel of trying to stifle GPU advancement. Right, like one of the biggest PC hardware companies ever needs a boost. What a dirty, slanderous, and childish tactic.
Intel countered with the fact that they had a limited-time contractual agreement that did not apply to the latest generations of hardware. In the basest sense, Nvidia were trying to force Intel to extend their contract, and Intel had no legal obligation, or want to do so.
In my own opinion, Intel was sick of Nvidia producing horrible chipsets that reflected badly on their own products. nForce 6 and 7 had horrible reputations, rightly deserved. Intel basically had to step-up their own R&D and start putting out proper quality chipsets or there would be nothing worthwhile on the market. Not to mention that Nvidia simply refused to allow Crossfire support on their hardware, at a time when both technologies(CF and SLI) still had major teething problems, which limited their marketability. Granted, AMD weren't any better, for the most part only allowing Crossfire. But even AMD have changed their tune with the latest generations. My board does not allow SLI, but anything currently available does.
Again, nForce 4 and 5 were pretty damn good. 4 was good, 5 was great. But 6... I have a few horror stories about that. XFX, eVga, Apox, none of them could make a 680i board last. I bought a 965p board for half the price and it ran better by miles and never died. AFAIK it's still working to this day with a 3GHz OC'd E6600 in it.
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30. June 2013 @ 08:09 |
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heh i never had a problem with asus... 3 gfx cards still kicking(8800/275/580) 2 motherboards still working(P5Q PRO Turbo/P8 Z77-V LX) gigabyte on the other hand... oh man... 2 motherboards dead(Z68AP-D3/G41MT-S2PT) at one point i had VIA motherboard and it died the same day i got it... the bios chip fried when i was testing overclocking... i still have a working winfast(6100k8ma-rs) based on nvidia 410 :3 and once i had msi board... i hate that company... the motherboard had 17 caps swollen lol.... im an asus fan i even got VG236 from asus never done me any harm and still kicking after 2 years ^_^
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30. June 2013 @ 14:32 |
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Well, no company would stay in business, if 100% of their products were guaranteed failures. I'm not exactly siding with those who have advocated against Asus. Because I still don't see the failure rate they're suggesting. I would bet, that Asus was recommended to MANY green/new builders. Since once upon a time, they were the go to company. And since newbies don't exactly know how to handle stuff properly, that could be at least some of the failure rate. Improper overclocks, insufficient cooling, to which they don't know how to monitor. The list goes on.
I'm strongly considering going with another manufacture for my next board, for flexibility reasons. I like Gigabyte quite a bit, but I have had a VERY good MSI board. In fact, it was one of the faster involved boards, regarding the installation of windows 7. It would not hang, where the Gigabyte boards I've tested, hang during the installation. I should however note, that it had an Nvidia nforce chipset, that failed prematurely. Prematurely? Is that the appropriate word I wonder... because it's quite common for those to fail LOL! Before that chip failed, it was one of the smoothest boards I've used. My current Gigabyte board, has odd LAN issues. But those could be attributed to either Windows 7, or LAN drivers. I once read that the more expensive MSI boards are built higher quality. E.g. buy crap, get crap.
Can't wait til my next build. I'm tempted to start working a second job again. I still can't afford to build my NEARLY perpetual generator. I really don't like the hours I'd be required to work though. So, I'll use questionable tactics to raise funds LOL!
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30. June 2013 @ 17:38 |
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Originally posted by Omega:
I really don't like the hours I'd be required to work though. So, I'll use questionable tactics to raise funds LOL!
Oh, no, my Bonnie and Clyde comment took root! Kevin are we going to see your likeness up on the wall at the post office?
Regarding Sam's great photo link - bees vs yellow jackets - first of all. Whoever says that yellow jackets are trying to disguise themselves as bees? That's inaccurate. When we used to go on Boy Scout outings, yellow jackets loved to come visit when we had watermelon. The secret on bees and yellow jackets is, let them get close and then give them a swipe with your hand and knock them away - yes they may attack again, but just do it again. When I was 4-5 years old, some loony kid taught me to grab the wings of bumble bees as they sat on a flower, until one day I didn't quite have both wings, and the guy rolled over and stung me. Knowing that was a death sentence for the bee, I held out my finger with the stinger still implanted, so he could come back and get it. LOL I guess I was a tough kid.
So bees - no problem - I LOVE honey, and yellow jackets - where is the watermelon? But scorpions - I agree - vicious little buggars. What about centipedes?
The AMD video was funny as hell - looks like officially sponsored? Well, still, I don't find it in bad taste - timing is right with the new Showtime Ray Donovan series coming out with Liev Shreiber as the fixer, and Jon Voight as his mob boss dangerous lunatic dad. I don't get showtime, but I think I know where to get the series - but it's a secret!
Jeff, what are you talking about - the Fountain scene of World at War. I played that game at least twice - it was the one where I first realized how nice nvidia digital vibrance was - the game was so colorful - especially the woods on fire. I have no idea what you are referring to - a Fountain scene. Recently I realized I had never played the multi-player, and guess what - it isn't bad at all. Some of the maps are very colorful, like the Japanese compound - very nice.
Have any of you guys played any of the crouch servers that have sprung up? Shaffaaf I dare you to try one. You would go insane with boredom. I actually perform very well on those - but I can't stand how slow they are. You can't move except in a crouch. You have to have the patience of a saint - which by watching some of the Arma 2 videos - some of those guys really DO have that level of patience.
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friend of mine has one of them gigabyte motherboards with the msata sdd(Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3-iSSD)... i replaced the one they give with it(intel SLC 20GB) to a 64GB MLC crucial much better performance in loading and writing ^_^ hes pretty happy with his setup i7 2600K EVGA GTX470 and 8GB he used to have raid setup with rapid start or whats it called when it uses the msata sdd for cache.... but he can be a pain in the ass sometimes he just refuses to replace the cooler on that card... guess he likes it when its 60-90C lol... mine however has one of them AC coolers idle 36C under load depending on game... it can reach 70C mark just today i was playing tomb raider with tress fx enabled and holy crap i got passed 70C mark :(
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Originally posted by harvardguy:
Have any of you guys played any of the crouch servers that have sprung up? Shaffaaf I dare you to try one. You would go insane with boredom. I actually perform very well on those - but I can't stand how slow they are. You can't move except in a crouch. You have to have the patience of a saint - which by watching some of the Arma 2 videos - some of those guys really DO have that level of patience.
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have you tried bf3 knife only conquest? lol and that means no vehicles.. running around getting shanked lol... i used to play on high ticket servers aswell... nothing like 25k or 30k in metro i even once finished one of those rounds from start to finish :D was around 6 hours :3 got loads of levels xp from that ^__^
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30. June 2013 @ 18:36 |
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VIA stuff is a fairly cheap, low-cost low-quality affair, so failures aren't wholly surprising/
MSI have had a slew of bad products amongst a large pile of good ones. Generally MSI's Intel boards are safer bets than their AMD boards, the latter of which are known to catch fire under the load of 125W CPUs due to inadequate voltage regulation.
The capacitor plague is old hat now that solid capacitors are in use everywhere. You have to be seriously unlucky or use silly voltages to burst a solid capacitor, and that applies to all brands.
With Asus on the other hand, it's bad after bad after bad. Their graphics cards are poor (to the extent they sent a batch of all defective GPUs to reviewers on a new release, some of which went bang on camera, GTX580 was it?). Their top-end 'military grade' motherboards are even less reliable than their low-level consumer products, their designs are ill thought through and their quality is generally poor - deceptively so given the overall 'feel and finish' to their products is of a high standard.
Smoke and mirrors, what's underneath is the reason why for 5 years running Asus have been last or one from last in motherboard reliability charts.
Of course they don't all break, else as you say they'd be out of business, but the difficulty in RMA'ing items often means the actual failure rate of hardware tends to be an exponential on the actual reported figure - the more go wrong, the more likely it is people suffer multiple successive failures, and give up, writing off the product, as I have on numerous occasions.
One bad, no sweat it happens, two and it's unlucky. I have had now in excess of a dozen Asus products through me directly or indirectly. NOT ONE has lasted more than 15 months. This is all sorts of sectors, low-end boards, high-end boards, graphics cards, stretching from 2006 to 2012.
Omega is right, a lot of Gigabyte boards (all but one of mine) have a bug with the windows install process being delayed by 10 minutes, but Asus suffer it too - it's a Microsoft problem, not actually a Gigabyte problem.
Further, my latest Z77 Gigabyte board does not suffer it.
I can't in all honesty blame Asus for the premature demise of the A8N-SLI SE and the P5N-E SLI as all manufacturer's failure rates were high with nForce chipsets. But the sample with Asus goes far deeper than that.
Interestingly, Gigabyte produced one sole nforce board. It's failure rate was 1 in 6, versus Gigabyte's average failure rate of 1 in 40 (roughly the industry standard). Say much, does it?
Asus' failure rates with the Striker series boards was closer to 1 in 3 though. I've read at least 20 unique tales of people having at least 5 successive RMAs with those boards. I believe them.
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Not to sound like a running theme here, but Arctic Cooling also have zero clue with regard to graphics coolers. They have released at least 6 coolers all fundamentally flawed such that the likelihood of destroying the card they are attached to is very high, even if carried out by professionals. They're fabulous when they work, very quiet and cool, but it just ain't worth the risk.
For the record, 60-90C is fine for a graphics card, they can (and do) run like that for 10+ years without issue. VRM cooling is more important, and most (but not all) third party coolers are lacking here, to the extent that VRMs often get hotter when replacing the cooler, because the cheap afterthought VRM pads don't have the airflow the radial stock coolers provide.
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guess im lucky with my asus :3 i can relate to AC the gtx275 i have the fans broke down all 3 of them now its just sitting there being cooled by 120mm fan lol one of the fans gave up on my 580 aswell now just running 2 fans :( its a good cooler when it works so im pretty happy with it :3 i should order new fans but meh... next year ill probably get me 780...
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'Next year' is a way away. Assess the situation then, it's generally inadvisable to make plans on hardware more than about 2 weeks prior to purchase date, as something better may have appeared otherwise.
As I say, not all Asus products break or else there'd have been some official inquiry by now, but they are statistically the least reliable manufacturer (although not for graphics, that award goes hands down to Sapphire, with 3x the failure rate of any of their competitors - not even Asus managed that). The clue is in the design of their boards - companies like MSI and Gigabyte use a base design then add to it with higher-end versions, the boards in a given product lineup (and even between lineups to some extent) all look fairly similar, just with bits added/removed.
With Asus, even slightly different boards are laid out completely differently, in a seemingly random order - it's a hallmark that either the design teams don't co-ordinate, or they don't know what they're doing, or both. Normally speaking you don't tend to get too many DOAs with Asus as they are tested before they go out the door, they're just engineered so poorly they don't last very long - annoying, as DOAs can be sorted out before a machine enters its usage phase (replacing an older system or being sold to a customer) - mid-term failures are more difficult to deal with, as a motherboard replacement (or worse, diagnostic period) is a time consuming process.
This said, you can still have a long motherboard fault-finding process even if the board isn't at fault - this is what Sapphire insisted on when they sold me two DOA 4GB HD5970s, a 'hand tested' flagship $1100 card with a limited production run of around 5000. When I told them one card was DOA (to the extent it shorted out the board and immediately produced that 'burning electronics'smell) they were difficult, but allowed a replacement. When I told them the second was DOA (a defective GPU attachment I believe) they refused to believe it saying 'you're wrong, these cards are hand tested' - eventually I managed to prove it to them and got a full refund (and still kept the free game that came with it). Still, this was only possible with the efforts of a very good retailer willing to plead the case for me. Things might have been very different otherwise, considering Sapphire don't actually have a technical support line of their own.
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i had that burning smell from a zotac got it 2nd hand lol... as for getting 780 next year i dont mind if a better card comes out.. even if they make 790 or whatever or 880 ill still buy 780 ^_^ its a good upgrade from 580 for me :3
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I did and apologies - I actually thought for a split second that you might be bothered by that - I should have listened to my gut - always the kidder but some things carry hidden danger as you well know what I'm talking about from our recent exchange. (Reminder: Now you need to edit out your request to me to edit out, lol.)
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Originally posted by harvardguy:
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I did and apologies - I actually thought for a split second that you might be bothered by that - I should have listened to my gut - always the kidder but some things carry hidden danger as you well know what I'm talking about from our recent exchange. (Reminder: Now you need to edit out your request to me to edit out, lol.)
Yes, done :) thanks
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