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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 11:38 |
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20. March 2007 @ 12:15 |
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Hopefully you'll get a good EVGA board, it seems to be hit and miss.
You may ant to forget the soundcard as that board doesn't have the same issues as the P5B, but saying that, I always use a soundcard as I do notice the difference big time!
You may also want to consider an after market CPU cooler as well, rather than using the stock cooler.
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134
There are others you could choose from, but I know this does the job well and is about as easy to fit as it can get.
Another thing to consider as well is 'Vista' do you really want to run it.
I've had a brief play with it 'both times Vista Home pro' and I hate it.
No real decrease in boot time, no major difference in front end, a pain in the arse when loading applications 'keeps telling you, that you must be administrator even though you are' and the overheads its going to put on the system resources.
I only saw Vista as being the way to get proper 64bit processing up and running with full support, but even that is limited still, and the applications just aren't being written to use it properly.
Only a thought, but worth considering, I'll be staying with XP pro for another 1-2 years at least.
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 12:42 |
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BigDK
Do you think that all that stuff i listed is gonna work on ASUS P5B
And someone know where i can find some smaller 1000rpm hard drives.
and what psu should i get
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20. March 2007 @ 12:49 |
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 12:58 |
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ty crowy.
that one is a better deal i think. but is everything from my list is gonna work on that mobo?>
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20. March 2007 @ 14:31 |
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pszczoll,
The ECS board should will compatible with the rest of your hardware.
Also with future bios revisions it should get even better.
Perhaps BigDk can have a look at the review and give his educated opinion.
If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 15:08 |
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@redice,
Not knowing the quality or performance of the Foxxconn I can't speak personally on it but it seems good on "paper" and should do you just fine. Like I said I personally have the ASUS A8N5X and it works perfectly for me
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ok thanks greensman and i have searched everywhere online and it looks like the ASUS A8N5X board is no longer being made.
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20. March 2007 @ 15:23 |
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@ crowey and psczoll,
im sure someone will correct me here if im wrong, but im sure i read somewhere that that ecs mobo is the same as the evga nf68i (or is it the bfg?) i will have a look in the morning when im not half asleep and tell you for sure.
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seeing as this mobo is a current cause of contention i looked now and its bfg(i think :))
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/344865/2926521
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20. March 2007 @ 15:55 |
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Well as you asked, I?ll put my 2 pence worth in, but as I don?t have and probably never will have a 680i chipset board I can only advise on what I?ve read.
It didn't make me want to buy it, it's just yet another reference 680i board, and I don't know what sort of support you'll get from ECS, it looks the same as all the other ref boards and will perform just as well or badly depending on what you get.
I tend to only use those sorts of reviews to show the features of a board, I then look on other forums to see what users are feeding back, that gives a true idea of what you'll get.
450FSB is not awesome though, the world record is now 630 approx on the Commando 965 chipset, quite a few of the 965 chipset boards will do over 500.
The review itself wasn?t done very well, with results that didn?t sit right ?quake 4 scores for single and sli cards? strange.
Lack of better X975 boards and other 680i chipset board both reference and own brand design such as Striker didn?t help.
All in all, it'll be a full featured board that will do what it says on the tin, and may well provide a very good OC on your CPU, so you'll get a good system out of it what ever happens.
They do tend to need a high voltage on the memory which adds to system stress, and there are reports of multipliers on the CPU causing issues 9x at high fsb fine, 8 etc? causes problems.
No matter what board you end up with, you will find issues especially when OCing it as most people do, so there?s no reason not to buy it.
You just need to decide if the extra features are worth the premium price you have to pay.
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 15:56 |
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 16:30 |
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could you tell me wich one motherboard should i take?. and what else do i need besides mobo - graphic card - psu- and hard drives?
$1000 left.
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 19:45 |
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@Mort81
what kind psu do you have in your Cooler Master Mystique case? also what the watts of it?
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20. March 2007 @ 20:31 |
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@pszczoll
I see you went with keeping the 8800. That will be plenty fast for games of today and with another in the future you, should be set.
As for what else you may need for your PC.
Make sure your case comes with all the cooling fans that it can support, if not don't forget to pick some up.
Also since you plan to OC, do remember to pick up a good cooler, I too use the Arctic Cooling HSF as BigDk recommended. It is fairly priced for it's performance and most importantly quietness.
AS for motherboards, I've used many ECS boards and are they have all been really reliable. OC'ing wise they are not the best, but they are rock solid, from little to no OC'ing at all.
In the end I would say go with the ASUS P5B, it is on par with the ECS in performance stock wise and should OC much better.
Soundcard wise..don't go with the $80 X-Fi card, it is not a true X-Fi unit, rather pick up the extreme gamer that has the onboard X-RAM.. the sound quality is far superior, let alone it will offload sound data from the CPU, like what a GPU does.
For hard drives I would get 2 WD raptor 74GB drives and run them in RAID-0 for faster disk performance, for the OS. A single large data drive is fine. since it's primary goal is to just store data.
Stay away from Vista at this point, I've heard nothing but bad things right now, lots and lots of compatibility issues.
PSU wise, a good 600W+ PSU should be more than sufficient for what you have listed, but for the future, 8800 I would get something in the 650W+ range. To be certain you have juice to spare you can always look in to the power consumption of each component..and add it all up.
I've used and liked PSUs from makers:
Antec
ThermalTake
Enermax
I've used these brands since AMD K6-2 Pentium 2 days. some of which are still running today.
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pszczoll
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21. March 2007 @ 05:40 |
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21. March 2007 @ 06:10 |
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@pszczoll
From the specs on it the gameXtreme model, it seems like it will meet your needs, in addition to that Ultimate PC Reviews test showed min voltage drops, and the warranty is a year longer. I haven't used any OCZ PSU before, so in terms of reliability you'd be on your own, or if someone else has tried it here..they could probably give you a better idea about it.
I have used this Coolmax PSU, but it seems to be hit or miss in terms of reliability. Out of 3 PSUs, that my buddies and I picked up (at the same time): mines died in about 6 months time, one had a unstable +12v in about the same time frame, and the other was rock solid to this day.
So, make sure it's been getting good reviews by users who have had it for awhile, though I've noticed the rebate is ending today.
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pszczoll
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21. March 2007 @ 08:22 |
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21. March 2007 @ 08:44 |
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You'll get a very good quality output from that card and screen.
If you are happy with the screen then there's no point changing it.
The only thing is, that no matter what screen you use in the future, the system and GPU will handle it.
My 7900GTX works well on my 3007 monitor, but I do have to drop quality on some games if I play at full resolution, not surprising though as 2560x1900 is enough to kill most systems.
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21. March 2007 @ 09:02 |
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21. March 2007 @ 09:25 |
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Hi Redice.
All the parts will work together well so there's no issues there.
I use the Hiper 580W and they are good, although 1 did die on me a while ago, but for me I just posted it within UK where they are based, so maybe the Thermaltake would be better for warranty returns (not sure on that one) saying that, the Hiper is good and has a good quality about it, looks nice in the dark and the blue cable sleeving is UV reactive.
Asus board will be fine if you don't get a DOA like the reviewer, but no one else has left the same comments, so it can't be that common.
VIA chipsets don't set the world on fire, but they work well, and in my experience are easy to setup and update.
Coolermaster cases are just good, they make good quality cases athat are generally easy to work with, and don't shred your skin when you put a hand in.
Video card is a good acrd as well which will play most games well and give a high quality desktop experience.
Not sure if you've overlooked a Hard drive and floppy drive.
It will be a good budget system that will do most things well enough for most people.
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redice
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21. March 2007 @ 09:49 |
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@BigDK
Originally posted by BigDK:
Hi Redice.
All the parts will work together well so there's no issues there.
I use the Hiper 580W and they are good, although 1 did die on me a while ago, but for me I just posted it within UK where they are based, so maybe the Thermaltake would be better for warranty returns (not sure on that one) saying that, the Hiper is good and has a good quality about it, looks nice in the dark and the blue cable sleeving is UV reactive.
Asus board will be fine if you don't get a DOA like the reviewer, but no one else has left the same comments, so it can't be that common.
VIA chipsets don't set the world on fire, but they work well, and in my experience are easy to setup and update.
Coolermaster cases are just good, they make good quality cases athat are generally easy to work with, and don't shred your skin when you put a hand in.
Video card is a good acrd as well which will play most games well and give a high quality desktop experience.
Not sure if you've overlooked a Hard drive and floppy drive.
It will be a good budget system that will do most things well enough for most people.
ok thanks and yes i did overlook the harddrive because i also have WD 320gb harddrive. so you are saying that the Thermaltake psu would work better for me than the Hiper 580W ?
i was going to go with the Asus board but beacase of the VIA chipset it was said that i would have to do this as stated Do note that VIA 800 series chipsets are ones that require that a WinXP SP2 install disc. If you only have a SP1 disc then you will need to do a slipstream procedure see here: [url=http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp][/url]
with that being said as i started to look at the Foxconn NF4SK8AA-8KRS which is looking real nice to me.
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pszczoll
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21. March 2007 @ 10:32 |
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Thanks to all of you !. You helped me a lot. im gonna take what i got here:) without changing monitor for now. Got last one question do you think im gonna need more fans ?
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21. March 2007 @ 10:37 |
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I think both PSUs will work as well as each other, its just Hiper are in the UK, so easy for me to return, not so easy for you.
Thermaltake (haven't got a clue where they are, maybe its US which would be easier for you).
Chances are neither will ever fail and the location of the manufacture is irrelevant.
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pszczoll
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21. March 2007 @ 10:47 |
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what do i need to put hard drives in "raid" or something i dont even know whats that i just heard that drives in raid got better performance and speed.
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redice
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21. March 2007 @ 11:14 |
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@BigDK
Originally posted by BigDK:
I think both PSUs will work as well as each other, its just Hiper are in the UK, so easy for me to return, not so easy for you.
Thermaltake (haven't got a clue where they are, maybe its US which would be easier for you).
Chances are neither will ever fail and the location of the manufacture is irrelevant.
Ok thanks and i think i'm going to go with Foxconn NF4SK8AA-8KRS for my board. also can you tell me if the Hiper psu has enough power Connectors for all of my pars?
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21. March 2007 @ 12:07 |
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@pszczoll
in short..RAID-0 is using two or more hard drives to function as one. data is spanned across the multiple hard drives to increase data write and read speeds, because each drive caries only a portion of the data so for two drives think of each drive roughly doing 1/2 the work as one single drive would... you can kind of think of this as SLi for harddrives. Hope that clears things up.
Oh during WinXP install you will need to give RAID controller drivers when prompted for additional drivers required, I think it tells you to hit F6. You will most likely need to set in your bios to run SATA in RAID mode as well. BigDK can probably help you with that portion as I am not familiar with that Intel chipset.
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