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20. March 2007 @ 06:21 |
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First off why would you want to put a GTS and a GTX together. :) j/k buddy. I'm pretty sure the cards have to be the same all the way around. ;-)
@6spdSER,
Thanks for adding the other online stores. ;-)
...gm
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 06:22 |
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O ok :). im asking because i got an example of 7900GT and 7900GTX in the SLI mode those two cards work great in sli . its GT and GTX. Im wondering. i know that when u got two cards in sli mode u use memory only from first card. so if i would put 8800 GTS 320MB and (in the future when maybe card is gonna be cheaper) 8800 GTX 768MB wich memory im gonna use . does it depends in witch slot im gonna put particular card?.
The question about top grapghic cards . Does ATI Got something better than Nvidia's 8800?
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20. March 2007 @ 06:25 |
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OK you've gone beyond me. :S
I'll let one of the other guys tackle this. :)
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20. March 2007 @ 06:37 |
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Oh yaah Comfirmed, You need 2 same graphics Card to run in SLI mode.
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 06:43 |
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 07:33 |
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[quote=redice]@ greensman
i had looked at the ASUS A8N5X board afew months back when i was just looking around. however the one that you linked me to is opened box and with that being said i would much prefer a unopened box one. would you happened to know of another cheap site that has this board in stock because newegg is out of stock of the unopened ones?
on aside note i may also need you alls help when building it see as this is my first build but hey what better way to learn then to do it yourself right.
I understand your concern and I wouldn't have mentioned it but this is newegg.com and I trust their service and products. I also found the parts that you may need for the mobo if they don't come with them. I know this may set you back a few days but it may be worth the change in mobo's and quality you get for your money. JM2C here. :)
link to ASUS parts list for A8N5X
Just something to consider. ;-)
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come with the I/O plate and maybe the driver CD. I think you can dl those anyway. Anyone with more experience kick in here. TIA for that. :)
ok i will think about it but in the mean time who is another good motherboard company?
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 07:33 |
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I understand your concern and I wouldn't have mentioned it but this is newegg.com and I trust their service and products. I also found the parts that you may need for the mobo if they don't come with them. I know this may set you back a few days but it may be worth the change in mobo's and quality you get for your money. JM2C here. :)
link to ASUS parts list for A8N5X
Just something to consider. ;-)
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't come with the I/O plate and maybe the driver CD. I think you can dl those anyway. Anyone with more experience kick in here. TIA for that. :)
ok i will think about it but in the mean time who is another good motherboard company?
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6spdSER
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20. March 2007 @ 07:35 |
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@pszczoll
Sli mode can indeed be ran with two different versions of a card, however, they must be the same core. (i.e. G70 core with another G70 core). However, like your example of the 7900GT and GTX...the two will run at the speeds of the slower card and/or disable the memory of one of the cards. Which is why you believe that in SLi mode only one of the cards memory is being used.
So with your question about running a 8800GTS with possibly a GTX in the future...it could work but keep in mind that if Nvidia makes a revision or uses a new core...you'll be out of luck..let alone you may be stuck using only the 320MB instead of the 768MB.
I'm not too certain if it works the same way with ATI cards, but models prior to the x1900 series required at least one "Crossfire" edition card to able to run in crossfire mode. But, from the x1900 series up that requirement is obsolete as long as you use the latest Catalyst drivers. (Can't remember which ones it began with but, the new ones work)
Also the bridge connector for Nvidia cards is no longer needed for SLi mode, with driver rev. 80.xx and higher. However, going SLi without the bridge will hamper the performance since the video data must now go through the motherboard's chipset. (i.e. video data -> chipset -> GPU1 -> Chipset -> GPU2 -> monitor) v.s. (video data -> chipset -> GPU1 & GPU2 -> monitor)
Of course this is a very simplified form of what really goes on, but I hope it helps.
Cheers!
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 08:04 |
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Thank You 6spdSER.
So after that i think im gonna take one 8800 GTX on sli supported motherboard. that card is gonna be enough for a long time even if something is gonna change im gonna upgrade to 1 more 8800GTX so i think im ok for 3-4 years with graphic cards?.
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20. March 2007 @ 08:05 |
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pszczoll
The P5B is by default a Crossfire board not a native SLi board, but it will run any single Nvidia card with the latest official drivers from Nvidia.
It will also run SLi but to do so, you'd need to download and run the latest (at the time) unofficial SLi drivers, these are easily available to download and work perfectly.
The list I put together will run to about $1500 leaving you with $500 to add to components if desired.
You could go for a 8800GTX from the start this is unlikely to need to go SLi in the life time of the PC unless you use a serious sized monitor.
If it was me, I would either stick with the GTS, or consider an ATI X1950XTX which could then go Crossfire if desired but is not DX10, and then when ATI finally release the new cards, get one of those as they will be DX10 and will at least match the 8800 series cards and hopefully out perform them. You'll be able to sell the initial card on for only a small loss especially if you keep all the box and paperwork etc...
I can run my whole system on a 580W Hiper Type R PSU, that is the board, CPU OC'd to 3.6+, 7900GTX OC'd as well, X-Fi soundcard, 4x raptors, 2 x opticals, pump and 9 X 12cm fans (although I run the GPU on a seperate FSP Booster 300W PSU) as I said I can do it, I just don't.
Whichever supply you get, just get a good one, if you can spend more then do so, just make sure that it fits the case you end up with.
I've kept PSUs over many PC builds, my last 2 supplies have been in about 8 PC builds.
greensman
I'll definitely take that as a compliment, I respect Doc a lot and having chatted with him, realize we have a lot in common with our systems and approaches to builds and forums :)
The nearest I came to being a doctor though, was playing Drs and nurses (hats off to the real ones).
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 08:08 |
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now im confused
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20. March 2007 @ 08:18 |
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I was posting the same time as you.
If you plan to go for a the 8800GTX then just go with it, you won't be disappointed.
The Nvidia GPUs do not suuport SLI on Intel chipset boards as standard. It is just because the correct software has not been written, the hardware is the same though PCI-E X 16.
This software issue only applies to SLi not stand alone running, so 1 8800GTX will run with whatever issue of Nvidia drivers you download from Nvidia's web site.
If you add another one, then it will need to run the driver software that has the correct code in to allow it to work in SLi on the Intel chipset boards.
Nvidia for some reason aren't going to write this software, so someone else in the www land has done it (unofficial).
Its the same software, but slightly altered to allow it to work on none Sli cert boards.
Its already being used by loads of people, its only drivers so won't do any harm, it just opens up the Intel chipset boards to SLi users.
You're other alternative to the 965 or 975 chipset boards, would be to go with the nforce 500-600 chipset boards, personally I wouldn't recommend anything but the 680i chipset, and then that is very expensive for the extra support it gives, and can be very hit and miss with the level of OC you'll get out of the board.
Hopefully this answers the confusion.
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20. March 2007 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by pszczoll:
OK so now im happy:).Im gonna take 8800 GTS. and in future put another one . but can i put 8800 GTS and 8800 GTX in sli? . or it need to be 2 of 8800 GTS ?
you will need the same card to run 2 in SLI
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 08:21 |
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 08:29 |
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i just want it to be something im gonna like :). so now im gonna choose between. 8800 GTS 640MB:).Thats gonna be on motherboard from the list that BigDK gave me. (it should work?).
Now hard drives . 1 250bg. same from list and i dont know about the raptors. is it better to get one 150gb? or two but smaller?.
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20. March 2007 @ 08:46 |
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is it better to get one 150gb? or two but smaller?.
theres no advantage to getting a bigger HD preformance wise anyway. i like running two HD using one as a slave to store music/movies/data/keycode/info etc. on. then when you reformat you have all you stuff very handy
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 08:50 |
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@ aabbccdd
i know you like to run alot of dvd drives and harddrives in your computer with that being said what psu are you using and how many watts is it?
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6spdSER
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20. March 2007 @ 08:53 |
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@pszczoll
Well BigDK beat me to it...so pretty much what he said. They are just drivers, like the ones you get from the NVIDIA site, but altered to support chipsets other than NVIDIA's. I believe NVIDIA will/did not produce drivers, in the near future, to support 3rd party chipsets so that the unknowing will buy NForce (Nvidia chipset) based motherboards.
Hope that also helps.
As for video cards..I agree with BigDK with getting a DX9 card for now, but would recommend going for (2) Radeon x1950GT's. Though not the fastest card on the market, but at the price point it's hard to beat $124.99 after MIR at Newegg. Or go with just one 8800GTX. Do keep in mind that there are yet to be any DX10 games and even when DX10 is officially released, there will still probably only be a handful of games. Currently the 8800's are the only DX10 cards on the market allowing the prices to be up. I too would just wait til, ATI releases their DX10 card...that way you will have options, and more than likely pay less.
@redice
Newegg's OEM/open box goods usually lack the drivers, manual, cables, I/O shield, and fancy packaging. But, most of the missing stuff can be found in your existing PC.
For me, aside from ASUS,
I personally have always liked:
MSI <-for the price to performance ratio
ABIT <-price and OC'ing features
ECS <- used many boards for non overclocking needs.
DFI <- very cost efficient but nothing spectacular about it
Hmmm, I see a trend here...price(cheap)
I have used many others as well be not enough to recommend.
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 09:03 |
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To 6spdSER.
than if i would go with 2 radeons for crossfire mode yes?. than new cards from ati with dx10 support. i sell radeons get dx10 supported. ok cool . BigDK gave me list with mobo/processor/ect. so now i would need to change all that but i got no idea what to chose. so what do u think with those 2 radeons what mobo/processor/psu/...?
And dont think small price-small performance. i got 2000 for case and keyboard.
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6spdSER
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20. March 2007 @ 09:20 |
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@pszczoll
yes, Radeons would be in crossfire mode, and you won't have to change anything else. Your system is speced out to supply enough power for 2-8800's. As for your DX10 cards in the future...you can always go back to NVIDIA if you prefer, the 2 radeon x1950 are to hold you over until DX10 becomes mainstream and for more DX10 GPU's to come on the market. This in turn should 1- bring prices down on the 8800, and 2- to give you options other than just having to go with the only DX10 card on market today.
I'm not sure what games you currently play..but an idea of how a single x1950GT performs...I play BF2 with all options on high, w/ AA6x and AF4x on while getting 85FPS @ 1280x1024.
Do note that I have the x1900GT, but the specs of the two cards are identical.
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pszczoll
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20. March 2007 @ 09:26 |
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20. March 2007 @ 09:56 |
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redice heres my specs.
Antec Nine Hundred Mid-Tower Gaming Case/Thermaltake 750-Watt PS/ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe MB Socket 939/ Seagate160GB Barracuda/ Westeren Digital Raptor 150 GB Sata/NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2,1 GB of GDDR3 Memory / CORSAIR XMS 2GB DDR SDRAM (PC 3500)/AMD Opteron 185 Dual Core CPU OC(ed) to 2.87 GHz/Zalman CNPS-9500 LED Cooler/2-Plextor PX-716A Drives/Lite-On SHW-160P6S/View Sonic-VX2245wm 22" Widescreen 1680x1050 res. 5ms Respone Time
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redice
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20. March 2007 @ 10:07 |
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6spdSER
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20. March 2007 @ 11:02 |
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@pszczoll
I have no experience running this board, but per BigDK's post, the ASUS is by default a crossfire board. Since SLi is not officially supported on any other chipset other than an N-Force(Nvidia) chipset motherboard, it makes sense that ATI Radeons were in mind.
Either way you should have no problems with that board.
Correct me if I'm wrong anyone, the only "problems" running multiple cards in SLi or Crossfire, are with Nvidia GPU's only on 3rd party chipsets (that is with "certified" Nvidia Drivers).
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20. March 2007 @ 11:06 |
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@BigDK & 6spdSER,
Thanks for clearing that up on the video cards. :) He went beyond my experience and personal know how. ;-)
@redice,
Not knowing the quality or performance of the Foxxconn I can't speak personally on it but it seems good on "paper" and should do you just fine. Like I said I personally have the ASUS A8N5X and it works perfectly for me
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